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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 604

H__RR____H | Posted 10/20/2008 11:09:12 AM | message detail
I'm wanting to bet that Solid Snake will beat Mega Man in their first match-up (I believe the division finals)...

...though I'd predict Solid beats Mega in the next round too if WCC doesn't **** things up.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/20/2008 11:13:17 AM | message detail
Wow, he didn't even include a stipulation for Zero (ie. "Zero can not be in the match")? No wonder he doesn't want to take it.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/20/2008 11:16:31 AM | message detail
If he wants to add that stipulation, let him. I'm fine with Hayabusa or Vivi being alongside Solid if Samus can still cleanly beat Mega Man despite Yoshi.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/20/2008 11:28:05 AM | message detail
MM > Snake

Funniest thing I've heard all day, in a direct matchup Snake would break 60% on him. Heck Big Boss would probably take down MM these days.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/20/2008 11:32:10 AM | message detail
Smurf you are so cute when you hate Mega Man. ^_^
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/20/2008 11:34:16 AM | message detail
As having both Solid and Mega be two of probably my three favorite characters (hello, Knuckles!), I have little doubt Solid destroys Mega. Big Boss...not so much.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/20/2008 11:43:40 AM | message detail
By the way, did anybody archive #601?
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/20/2008 11:47:40 AM | message detail
Agreed. I won't pretend to know much about the FFVII fanbase, but the concept of a character who was in the game for all of five minutes (right?) beating a significant playable character is a difficult one to fathom for me.

The thing is, while that's true, he's the main character of Crisis Core and is pretty awesome there. And I know it's a handheld game, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense to me that a lot of FFVII fans would have gone out of their way to find a way to play it even if they didn't have a PSP. I think it's a little misleading to treat Zack as just an NPC.

That said, I don't think he'd beat Tifa either. Aeris I'm a little less sure of, because it seems like there's a significant portion of the FFVII fanbase that doesn't like her.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/20/2008 12:41:07 PM | message detail
I'd be very interested in seeing Link/Zack/Samus/Crono (Link > Samus seems pretty obvious with Vincent there, unless Vincent SFFs Zack into the ground). I know it's very unlikely, but I really hope L-Block is more like a normal character now in more ways than just trends, and loses in the quarterfinals.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 100/132 --- T-309 (97 way)
Bracket: Link > Zack --- Vote: Zack
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 12:50:05 PM | message detail
Several things.

1. Someone please explain to me how Zack apparently does better in a match with Link and without the Buster Sword.
2. So Crisis Core did help a lot, then...come on Dissidia!
3. Didn't like 5 people offer to take BT's bet already?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 12:51:35 PM | message detail
Also look at Link go. Zack and Zidane are just getting slaughtered with this ASV.

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BDawg | Posted 10/20/2008 12:52:58 PM | message detail
Yeah, in this era of "Wii suck" it warms my heart to see Link swinging a big stick. Sure it's just around expectations but look at that percentage soar.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/20/2008 12:54:30 PM | message detail
Link is just yelling like a maniac.

Link > Block this year?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/20/2008 12:57:47 PM | message detail
Link > L has nothing to do with Link. It'll take either L's fanbase faltering somehow or something like WCC making the finals for Link to pull that off - if not, it won't matter. Cloud will just kill his chances again.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/20/2008 12:59:13 PM | message detail
blaming Cloud and his fans what an excellent idea
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/20/2008 1:10:31 PM | message detail
...you know, I'll just shut you up in an easier fashion. Cloud killed Kefka last year

Cloud was going to kill Kefka anyway, and he only did slightly worse by direct comparison on Marcus Fenix from round 1 to round 2, which you can chalk up to random variation and increasing the level of competition. People keep bringing this up, but it's not an argument for SFF at all. In fact, I'd say it argues against New/Old Square SFF.

And to answer KP's first question: People care about Zack, just like we kept telling you. Shocking, isn't it?

By the way, don't get too carried away on Zack hype. I'll just say that now. Wait until he has a legitimate match (a.k.a. next round) before we start jumping to conclusions. After all, this is a double LFF match. Can't draw TOO much from it.

Yesterday's chart:

Time Heavy | Jill V. | Kratos | Ocelot
EBV | 14.44% | 24.38% | 33.40% | 27.78% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 14.63% | 26.44% | 33.68% | 25.25% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 14.08% | 27.04% | 33.20% | 25.67% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 12.72% | 26.66% | 34.71% | 25.90% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 12.43% | 24.88% | 39.02% | 23.67% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 12.25% | 25.00% | 39.49% | 23.26% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 11.80% | 26.23% | 39.19% | 22.78% | (22:00-24:00)

Man, what a humongous leap for Kratos from night to day. That's about the most impressive swing I've seen the entire contest. Jill and Ocelot drop noticeably with the day vote, but not a lot. Kratos basically just took a little bit from all three competitors.

Yesterday's stats:

Kratos – 50.00%
Jill Valentine – 40.87%
Revolver Ocelot – 39.44%
Heavy – 25.73%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/20/2008 1:13:41 PM | message detail
And while Ocelot somehow still lost to Jill, he looks stronger than last year, I'd say. Can't really back that up with numbers, but he did get 40% on Kratos, which may or may not be better than he was expected to get. Can someone confirm that?

Either way, Jill pulled off a big upset, regardless of what excuses you want to make about last year's match. She shouldn't have won, plain and simple. Just REFAQs seems to be in full force around here, and no one could've predicted that!

But it's still not as great as ZackFAQs!
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2008 1:14:21 PM | message detail
3. Didn't like 5 people offer to take BT's bet already?

BT turned down an offer from HM because his ZFS account wasn't two years old...when it was one year and eleven months old. He then turned down Soul's offer due to "hearing" that Soul backed out of an account bet.

My account's older (I think) and has more karma (for sure) than either of them and even BT's account, and I've never bet an account before. Let's do this BT...

...and I'll stop this as soon as you answer me BT. Until then, Pikachu was a fluke and Tales characters are worthwhile entrants.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2008 1:17:27 PM | message detail
Cloud was going to kill Kefka anyway, and he only did slightly worse by direct comparison on Marcus Fenix from round 1 to round 2, which you can chalk up to random variation and increasing the level of competition. People keep bringing this up, but it's not an argument for SFF at all. In fact, I'd say it argues against New/Old Square SFF.

Fair enough, point taken. That said, I would suspect that would be because Cloud drove Kefka to his most hardcore fans in this format; one-on-one, I would suspect Cloud to beat Kefka worse.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 1:30:54 PM | message detail
And to answer KP's first question: People care about Zack, just like we kept telling you. Shocking, isn't it?

No need to act like that. Zack is doing much better here than in his first round performance, when in his first round performance he had one of the biggest pic advantages of the entire contest and was up against apathy central. Even when factoring in a loyal fanbase, it's still a surprising result.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 1:31:55 PM | message detail
Oh, and he also has much more reason to split with Zidane than Cecil.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/20/2008 1:34:16 PM | message detail
It still blows my mind Zack's doing this well. As odd as this sounds, FF7 alone couldn't have done this for him. I don't really know how FF7 and CC:FF7 compare to Zack as far as where he gets his strength from, but...man.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/20/2008 1:36:02 PM | message detail
He was being LFF'd in round 1 by Cecil, it's hard to get a very high percentage in this format, and Wario is holding up quite well today against Link. As for the pic, we had no real evidence, only speculation, that the Buster Sword would help him all that much. In retrospect, the kind of voters who wouldn't know who he is without seeing the Buster Sword are probably not the kind who would vote him over Link.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 100/132 --- T-309 (97 way)
Bracket: Link > Zack --- Vote: Zack
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 1:37:23 PM | message detail
There is absolutely no way that FF7 got him this far. FF7 are very supportive of their characters, but not this supportive. Could you imagine Cait Sith or Barret doing this well? Zack is an NPC.

I think, however, that Crisis Core may have 'reminded' the fanbase of Zack, so to speak. Even if they didn't play the game, Zack was in the limelight for the first time in...well, ever.

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red sox 777 | Posted 10/20/2008 1:43:44 PM | message detail
The thing is very few people actually like Cait Sith. Barret would be a decent midcarder, with more than enough strength to take second without difficulty if he were in Zack's place. CC probably helped Zack some, yeah, but really, FFVII fans know who he is- 10% of the site has beaten FFVII more than 10 times! It's the same argument with Vincent being an optional character- and while Vincent is playable, he's also far less important to the story than Zack is.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 100/132 --- T-309 (97 way)
Bracket: Link > Zack --- Vote: Zack
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 1:46:13 PM | message detail
The Vincent argument isn't the same as Zack's. Vincent being an optional character doesn't matter because he's still a playable character, and this is GameFAQs. Zack, whether the fanbase recognizes him or not, is still an NPC.

The alternative is having a fanbase which would make Don Corneo high fodder at the very least.

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BagFries | Posted 10/20/2008 1:49:54 PM | message detail
26% claim FF7 as their favorite game of all time... it shouldn't be a surprise anymore that everything from that game, including a piece of crap expelled from Tifa's ass should automatically be placed above the fodder line.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/20/2008 1:51:05 PM | message detail
Tifa's Crap would get both joke and scat votes, so that is a distinct possibility.

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hellfire104 | Posted 10/20/2008 1:55:38 PM | message detail
I'd vote for Tifa's crap.
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Point Total: 101/128, 79% correct Rank 204th
Today: Link > Zack
EternalxCourage | Posted 10/20/2008 1:55:49 PM | message detail
FF7 is the most popular RPG of all time. Durr.
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creativename | Posted 10/20/2008 2:01:04 PM | message detail
I'm pretty damn positive Zack is stronger than Cait Sith, and very likely Barret as well. Red XIII I don't know - I think Red would be stronger, but it's hard to say. He never had his own game.

Crisis Core was very significant for Zack.


On the joke stuff, 'Random piece of Final Fantasy VII Furniture' - listed exactly that way on the poll - would do damn well.

Also, I think I said this after last contest - the best Final Fantasy franchise proxy for '?' Block would probably be the 'Attack button'. Just imagine that blue box thing there as the picture with the pointing hand next to it - I think it could do very well in this format.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/20/2008 2:03:53 PM | message detail
scat

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hellfire104 | Posted 10/20/2008 2:10:23 PM | message detail
How about a chocobo? WHY hasn't a chocobo ever been nominated?
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Point Total: 101/128, 79% correct Rank 204th
Today: Link > Zack
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/20/2008 2:14:50 PM | message detail
Thats a good question acctually....
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BagFries | Posted 10/20/2008 2:14:53 PM | message detail
Because a chocobo isn't a character. Sandbag > Magus, suck it.

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jkmill550 | Posted 10/20/2008 2:16:18 PM | message detail
Why hasn't Mike from Resident Evil 4 been nominated?

What would his pic be? A helicopter? He wins the badass and New Yorker vote for sure.
BagFries | Posted 10/20/2008 2:17:33 PM | message detail
Guru winner needs to nominate Mike. REFAQs and joke votes of helicopter pic = new contest champ imo.

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hellfire104 | Posted 10/20/2008 2:19:41 PM | message detail
Bagfries, are you getting all up in my grill because I think its retarded for a sandbag to beat Magus?

A chocobo is a **** ton closer to being a character than A sandbag. Let's count the ways that Chocobo's come into play in gaming.

They are PLAYABLE characters in FFT.
There is a chocobo character in FF4.
You can control chocobos in FFX.
You summon them in multiple FF's.

Get the point?
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Point Total: 101/128, 79% correct Rank 204th
Today: Link > Zack
hellfire104 | Posted 10/20/2008 2:21:01 PM | message detail
Guess I forgot to mention Chocobo racing, CONTROLLABLE.
Travel in FF11, CONTROLLABLE.
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Point Total: 101/128, 79% correct Rank 204th
Today: Link > Zack
BagFries | Posted 10/20/2008 2:21:35 PM | message detail
they
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/20/2008 2:23:16 PM | message detail
I guess I also forgot to mention the entire game series known as Chocobo Dungeon.

Wow. I guess theres really no comparison between Sandbag and Chocobo's, considering the chocobo is an icon.

Try suckin my chocobo's balls!
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Today: Link > Zack
BagFries | Posted 10/20/2008 2:32:27 PM | message detail
do you have a pickaxe lodged in your skull

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Midget_Fetish | Posted 10/20/2008 2:49:19 PM | message detail
So, why is Altair the favorite to win tomorrow(if you can say there is a favorite)

I mean, I'm thinking tomorrow will end up Duke > Marth due to Lucario leeching some away from Marth. But I dunno, I guess I'm still thinking there's no way Altair > Marcus Fenix, and Kefka and Marcus are pretty close.

Wonder who wins between Marcus and Niko?
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/20/2008 2:50:26 PM | message detail
There is a chocobo character in FF4.


5 you mean.

4 was a summon
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/20/2008 2:51:28 PM | message detail
But I dunno, I guess I'm still thinking there's no way Altair > Marcus Fenix, and Kefka and Marcus are pretty close.

Fenix just got edged by a pair of green pillows. Altair has design, sales, and multiplatform appeal over him.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/20/2008 3:00:50 PM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/20/2008 3:02:29 PM | message detail
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And by that I mean Altair > Duke confirmed Jesus why did we submit pictures with half the faces anyway
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/20/2008 3:03:29 PM | message detail
bacon loves picking crappy pics for round 2 confirmed.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/20/2008 3:04:55 PM | message detail
Duke's gonna do this. He's going to win this match.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/20/2008 3:05:40 PM | message detail
Well, not win. He'll be second though with that pic and being on the new Contest banner.

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