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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 603
| jkmill550 | Posted 10/19/2008 2:16:56 PM | message detail |
| How sizeable of a gap would be predicted between Sephiroth/Kratos and Tifa/Jill? |
| swirIdude | Posted 10/19/2008 2:19:04 PM | message detail |
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| ZFS | Posted 10/19/2008 2:19:29 PM | message detail |
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Sucks that Ocelot couldn't comeback here, but it was never all that
likely. The only thing that makes some sense is the whole 'hardcore
voter' idea last year. Who knows. --- six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves. |
| swirIdude | Posted 10/19/2008 2:20:47 PM | message detail |
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It's too bad that Ocelot couldn't live on in the match through this arm. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 Looking for a new sig. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2008 2:21:59 PM | message detail |
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only think that makes sense is MGS4 de-boost look out people kirby is fodder this year --- CB7 Score: 100/124 http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg || http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/19/2008 2:23:49 PM | message detail |
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Me too, Jill can hurt Tifas TJF in that round for sure I wonder if we'll see Tifa's boobs in her face pic <_< --- Today's prediction: Kratos 32.26% - Stan Lee 29.33% - Jill 23.29% - Heavy 15.12% Status: meh |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 2:24:47 PM | message detail |
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I was starting to worry about mgs4 not beign a factor when kain did so
well against Raiden. Raiden might of looked good against Chief, but
Chief could of been tons weaker, and to beat a FF4 character by a
couple percentage isn't very impressive --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 2:25:05 PM | message detail |
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GrapefruitKing (#356) yes --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| ZFS | Posted 10/19/2008 2:25:38 PM | message detail |
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mgs4 de-boost let's not do this --- six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/19/2008 2:41:22 PM | message detail |
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Everything that has happened in this contest is somehow related to Dissidia --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/19/2008 3:03:53 PM | message detail |
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mgs4 de-boost brawl de-boost more like gamefaqs general tastes de-boost --- Moltar Status: augh Heavy/Jill/Kratos/Ocelot - Bracket: Kratos > Ocelot - Vote: Ocelot (97/124) |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/19/2008 3:06:43 PM | message detail |
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Got this off the MGS4 board: Redcoffee1 (#006) Seems the hardcore dislike Ocelot thanks to MGS4. wut --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2008 3:11:46 PM | message detail |
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de-boost confirmed --- CB7 Score: 100/124 http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg || http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| creativename | Posted 10/19/2008 3:17:32 PM | message detail |
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Ocelot really disappointing me here. Even considering that Resident Evil seems to have powered up, thus making his loss to Jill semi-acceptable (despite beating her last year), his performance against Kratos is pretty awful. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 3:37:42 PM | message detail |
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Damn you Ocelot. You know, I had a feeling someone was going to under
perform here, but I was almost certain it was going to be Kratos. So
yeah, damn you Ocelot. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/19/2008 3:43:54 PM | message detail |
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Even considering that Resident Evil seems to have powered up, thus
making his loss to Jill semi-acceptable (despite beating her last
year), his performance against Kratos is pretty awful. At this point I'm convinced you're just being willfully ignorant. Do you people just not respect Kratos' strength? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/19/2008 3:45:40 PM | message detail |
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Kratos gets underrated almost every year he gets in. Kirby>Kratos last year, anyone? --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 3:47:47 PM | message detail |
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Well, in my case, I was predicting Kratos would be similar to Fenix
this year, as in both under performing. I forgot Kratos was Sony while
Fenix was Microsoft though. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 3:51:37 PM | message detail |
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Kratos gets underappreciated because of his lack of wins -- that is, he
either lost to tough opponents or took advantage of a weird situation
like Kirby and Donkey Kong. this will happen again this year with Tifa, and we still won't put Kratos up there en masse. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 4:04:53 PM | message detail |
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XxSoulxX (#368) Kratos is one of our strongest new characters and appeals to Gamefaq users. He isn't going anywhere --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 4:07:55 PM | message detail |
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Kratos is one of our strongest new characters and appeals to Gamefaq users. He isn't going anywhere While I agree with you that Kratos is strong, it's easy to argue against him being really tested in these things, since all he does is beat crippled opponents or lose to strong opponents. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2008 4:23:40 PM | message detail |
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Kratos looked good in all of his losses though. You can't really call him untested. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 4:31:32 PM | message detail |
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Didn't Kratos do like 45% on Ryu? Thats damn good if you ask me --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 4:32:24 PM | message detail |
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MyWorldIsCrono (#373) Looked it up and it was 57-43, but still realyl good --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 4:33:37 PM | message detail |
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Didn't Kratos do like 45% on Ryu? Thats damn good if you ask me Lots of people look good in losses though. You can't really tell how good a character is unless that character proves him/herself by beating someone credible. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 4:34:23 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to hear about someone that got 40% on Ryu that you think could take Kratos. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 4:34:53 PM | message detail |
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XxSoulxX (#375) Hes had GoW2 and Chains of Olympus since then.. Hell, he might even beat Ryu now --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 4:35:12 PM | message detail |
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same goes for Leon Kennedy - his best showing was 45% on Bowser. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
| ZFS | Posted 10/19/2008 4:35:58 PM | message detail |
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Closer to 42%, I believe, but given that was pre-GoW2, it's damn impressive. I give Kratos a healthy amount of respect -- more than most -- but KH and Tran have me beat there. Going 50/50 with Ryu is as high as I'm willing to go with him. --- six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 4:36:48 PM | message detail |
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Hes had GoW2 and Chains of Olympus since then.. Hell, he might even beat Ryu now And Ocelot had MGS4 and look what that got him? Jill had nothing and look what that is doing for her here. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/19/2008 4:42:36 PM | message detail |
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Going 50/50 with Ryu is as high as I'm willing to go with him. And that makes him a top 17 or 18 character, does it not? --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/rydia.gif http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| ZFS | Posted 10/19/2008 4:49:56 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sure what the top 20 looks like these days, but he's probably
at the tail end of that group, or a few places outside of it. --- six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves. |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 4:51:04 PM | message detail |
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I don't disagree there. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/19/2008 4:51:54 PM | message detail |
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And Ocelot had MGS4 and look what that got him? Jill had nothing and look what that is doing for her here. The exceptions don't make the rule - and you're letting the format blind you. Ocelot has clearly boosted significantly from MGS4; remember that pre-MGS4 Ocelot lost to Pac-Man. Now factor in that Kratos is the star of his game, that it's much easier to boost when you have fewer games, and that the games have had much longer to accumulate sales. What you suggest is ignoring logic. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2008 4:52:14 PM | message detail |
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Kratos should have no problem going even with Ryu in a 1 on 1 match
today and I wouldn't be shocked if he beat him. I'd probably take that
upset in my bracket if the match were to happen right now. --- CB7 Score: 100/124 http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg || http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| Japago | Posted 10/19/2008 4:52:24 PM | message detail |
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A lot of characters probably had to earn their reputation by having
close loses. After round 1 matches. it's already down to the top 32
characters. You probably had to hope for favorable placement. Look at
Dante for example, the best win I remember for him before the new
format was Tails. It's anybody's guess as to where Kratos is at this point IMO. He barely beat Riku when he was LFF'd, but Kratos should have been LFF'd as well. However, Leon just smashed Riku. At the same time, he's doing better right now than that result would imply. He could be weaker than Leon, but I don't know. His range is very wide that's for sure. I'd probably even give him a chance against the likes of Dante/Luigi/Yoshi. --- -Heals severely dry skin -18 hour moisturization -Fragrance free -With Vitamin E |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 4:56:40 PM | message detail |
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Kratos should have no problem going even with Ryu in a 1 on 1 match today and I wouldn't be shocked if he beat him. Ryu would crush Kratos. To me, Kratos' ceiling is about Dante, which is about top 25/30. Ryu is just too strong for Kratos to contend with, especially with SF4 hype and everything. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 4:56:52 PM | message detail |
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Kratos over Luigi is a cute pick given what we've seen this year. put
another way, Hayabusa is almost definitely below Kratos and he just
beat Zero. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 4:58:33 PM | message detail |
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Look at Dante for example, the best win I remember for him before the new format was Tails. He beat Ryu Hayabusa too, but I get what you're saying. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| ZFS | Posted 10/19/2008 4:59:05 PM | message detail |
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And yeah, this whole idea of Ocelot not boosting from MGS4 is being
exaggerated -- this is a clear boost when you consider who he used
to keep company. Even a significant MGS4 boost wasn't a guarantee to
keep it close with Kratos simply due to the size of the gap separating
them. Ocelot's disappointing for sure, but Jill's the weird one here.
Who knows what's going on with her. --- six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves. |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 4:59:10 PM | message detail |
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To me, Kratos' ceiling is about Dante, which is about top 25/30. Ryu
is just too strong for Kratos to contend with, especially with SF4 hype
and everything. this is pretty much crazy for a lot of reasons. Dante's up there with Ryu, and many would argue Dante would be the favourite there. Dante went 50/50 with Yoshi; Bowser went 59/41 with Ryu. that's just a weird year, I agree, but to say he's up there with Dante who could take Yoshi at this point and then say he's weak is just silly. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/19/2008 4:59:32 PM | message detail |
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I definitely don't think Kratos could have done what Ryu did last year.
Ryu edged out Bowser in a fair match and Auron in an unfair one; Kratos
edged out Riku in a fair match. That's a pretty big discrepancy. --- Mustache...and green... |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/19/2008 4:59:35 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I wouldnt feel so secure but rather reluctant about a Kratos > Hayabusa Pick, Even before this year. --- Warning, there is a bear right behind you. Ride Him. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 4:59:41 PM | message detail |
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Kratos over Luigi is a cute pick given what we've seen this year. Luigi is too strong for Kratos too. I'd take everyone from that triangle (Yoshi/Luigi/Bowser) over Kratos. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| creativename | Posted 10/19/2008 4:59:54 PM | message detail |
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At this point I'm convinced you're just being willfully ignorant. Do you people just not respect Kratos' strength? Um...WTF kind of response is this? Relax buddy. I think Kratos is plenty strong, and know that most around here underestimate him. But no one can say that Ocelot's performance here against Kratos is anything but terrible after all the MGS4 hype. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| ZFS | Posted 10/19/2008 5:00:24 PM | message detail |
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To me, Kratos' ceiling is about Dante, which is about top 25/30. Ryu
is just too strong for Kratos to contend with, especially with SF4 hype
and everything. Kratos being at Dante level would make a Kratos/Ryu an easy pick, one not in Ryu's favor. He ain't that high yet. --- six bullets. more than enough to kill anything that moves. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/19/2008 5:01:31 PM | message detail |
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this is pretty much crazy for a lot of reasons. Dante's up there with Ryu, and many would argue Dante would be the favourite there. I wouldn't put Dante near Ryu. I consider Ryu to be really close to the noble nine + FF leads/sidekicks group. Definitely in the elite after the noble nine, while Dante is right under that group. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/19/2008 5:01:37 PM | message detail |
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Ryu would crush Kratos. To me, Kratos' ceiling is about Dante oh I see you had no intention of using logic in the first place Let's put it this way - Dante got 46% on Ryu before DMC3, DMC3 SE, and DMC4. Kratos v Ryu is a good lookin' tossup, but 1v1 Ryu's nothing but a huge 'dog to Dante. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/19/2008 5:01:38 PM | message detail |
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I did argue (quietly, out of fear of some of the peeps here) that
Ocelot could have gotten the smallest boost from MGS4. This has nothing
to do with his role in the game, but with his design and appeal. At the
end of the day, a wrinkly old man is on a video game website is still
just... a wrinkly old man on a video game website, and the wrinkly old
man's max strength is probably limited because of this.* *Bringing up Old Snake is about as LAME as bringing up Mario to refute the point that fat hairy guys also wouldn't do well in these contests. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| transience | Posted 10/19/2008 5:02:40 PM | message detail |
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yeah, Ocelot is doing terrible. this huge MGS4 boost is just impossible to gauge, and I'd argue against it at this point. Snake - did average Big Boss - went crazy, but he got that Naked Snake picture so it's not representative Ocelot - haha what Raiden - ??? Liquid Snake - the one true case for the boost. but when the MGS4 boost is limited to Liquid Snake, a guy who's only sort of in MGS4, what exactly is going on? I feel like Bowser > Luigi is very, very possible. --- xyzzy la la la you're dead la la la la we killed you la la la |
