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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/18/2008 9:52:03 PM | message detail
Yeah but this solidifies it <_<
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 9:52:22 PM | message detail
Exception doesn't prove the rule. Only FFVII and Sandbag have really excelled with the day vote so far.
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Lopen | Posted 10/18/2008 9:52:37 PM | message detail
No doubt in my mind Raiden beats Ocelot now, seeing as he didn't apparently boost much. So yeah, Raiden/Kain/Layton pretty easily.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/18/2008 9:52:38 PM | message detail
No, no, you don't understand. Good day vote is weakened, but absolutely terrible day vote is just as sucky as always.
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paraboxx | Posted 10/18/2008 9:52:44 PM | message detail
I think this all but confirms Kratos is indeed one of the strongest 25.

This reminds me of something I've wanted to ask lately: who's the most recently-created character with confirmed contest strength? Is it Kratos? Someone else? I know Altair looked pretty good, but one match is hardly confirmation...
Xcarvenger | Posted 10/18/2008 9:54:03 PM | message detail
who's the most recently-created character with confirmed contest strength?

Cube
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vcharon | Posted 10/18/2008 9:54:05 PM | message detail
Zack/Zidane is laughed at because Zack really blew his competition away and Zidane crept by, which to be honest was an achievement in itself for him. He probably would not have beaten Shadow without having the benefit of Link in the poll, though. Zack won outright and that wouldn't have changed.


As for Kratos... why are you comparing him to Altair? This isn't his first contest you know.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/18/2008 9:54:22 PM | message detail

paraboxx (#105)
I think this all but confirms Kratos is indeed one of the strongest 25.

This reminds me of something I've wanted to ask lately: who's the most recently-created character with confirmed contest strength? Is it Kratos? Someone else? I know Altair looked pretty good, but one match is hardly confirmation...



Its too early to tell till we see Altair in round 2, but I could see Altair close to Kratos strength if he shows round 1 wasnt a fluke
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hochimnih157 | Posted 10/18/2008 9:54:39 PM | message detail
Wanna know why Ocelot beat Jill last year? Cloud. Cloud took most of the percentage leaving Jill and Ocelot with a small portion of the percentage pie. This benefits the character with the more dedicated fanbase which was Ocelot. This year Ocelot and Jill get a much larger share of the percentage pie (Over 50% together) and the character with the more hardcore fanbase does not really benefit under such a cirumstance. Jill WAS stronger last year but Cloud eating all the percentage killed her.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/18/2008 9:55:05 PM | message detail
I don't care how weak his opponents were, Altair's 43% looks a lot better now than it did when he first got it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/18/2008 9:55:07 PM | message detail
Zack to double Zidane tomorrow! And avoid a doubling from Link!
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 88/112 --- T-300 (103 way)
Bracket: Sonic > Magus --- Vote: Magus
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 9:55:33 PM | message detail
Zack blew away Wario, a guy who got triple by Kirby, and Jade Curtiss. With the Buster Sword basically taking up half his pic. His performance, while good, is really being overrated.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/18/2008 9:55:37 PM | message detail

hochimnih157 (#109)
Wanna know why Ocelot beat Jill last year? Cloud. Cloud took most of the percentage leaving Jill and Ocelot with a small portion of the percentage pie. This benefits the character with the more dedicated fanbase which was Ocelot. This year Ocelot and Jill get a much larger share of the percentage pie (Over 50% together) and the character with the more hardcore fanbase does not really benefit under such a cirumstance. Jill WAS stronger last year but Cloud eating all the percentage killed her.



... You've got a point, actually.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/18/2008 9:56:04 PM | message detail
If Altair really does do that good, that'll really be surprising.

I thought Assassins Creed wasnt as well recived as one would have hoped?
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paraboxx | Posted 10/18/2008 9:56:24 PM | message detail
Cube

Again...one match.

It's an even bigger issue for the WCC, in fact. We don't even know if it's going to gain momentum or not.
ZFS | Posted 10/18/2008 9:56:37 PM | message detail
Can't say anything about Altair until his match in a couple of days. He had an impressive showing, to be sure, but that could have just as easily been the result of his competition over his actual strength, though it was likely some mixture of both. Same applies to Zack.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 9:56:58 PM | message detail
And since when did Zidane creep by? He got 18% against Shadow and LINK.


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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 9:57:06 PM | message detail
Blame the Buster Sword if you want to. We'll find out tomorrow.

And I'd be amazed if Zack avoided a doubling from Link. Vincent could barely manage that with Zelda and Bidoof taking up a Nintendo vote.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/18/2008 9:57:15 PM | message detail

Shoenin_Kakashi (#114)
If Altair really does do that good, that'll really be surprising.

I thought Assassins Creed wasnt as well recived as one would have hoped?



It was the fastest selling new IP of all time, it sold 3.6 million copies in its first month, and wasn't received great, but generally 8s across the board. But he's a very well designed character and very marketed.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/18/2008 9:57:30 PM | message detail
Zidane beat Shadow by 3000 votes who is god awful in this format. I don't think Shadow beating Wario in this format assuming there's no other Nintendo characters is a certainty at all. Not to mention Zack was stuck with two other RPG characters. You can easily assume most of Cecil's and even Jade's votes would go to him otherwise.
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vcharon | Posted 10/18/2008 9:57:30 PM | message detail
Zack will win big. This was a debatable match with the top 3 characters... I personally don't see how Zack/Zidane can even be debated at all.

Altair could be top 25 material, but being that he's had one total match, which happened to contain the biggest dud this contest has produced, that can't be said yet. But still, yeah his percentage ended up being quite impressive. I just have to question his competition. Next match should tell us more about his strength.
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hochimnih157 | Posted 10/18/2008 9:58:07 PM | message detail
If Link doesn't hit 60% tomorrow he runs the risk of getting booted from the Noble Nine.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2008 9:58:18 PM | message detail
heh, if Jill wins this the only explanation i can think of is that.. Cloud had something to do with it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 9:58:42 PM | message detail
I'm not blaming the Buster Sword, I'm saying it contributed to an overpeformance. With the way pics have been affecting this contest, you'd be foolish not to do the same.

I mean, do you guys even remember how badly Wario did last year? His raw X-stats value is 8%. In hindsight I have no idea why he was the favorite, and I took him in that match.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/18/2008 9:58:56 PM | message detail

hochimnih157 (#122)
If Link doesn't hit 60% tomorrow he runs the risk of getting booted from the Noble Nine.



...Link isn't hitting 60% tomorrow
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2008 9:59:16 PM | message detail
Though Zidane's performance wasn't good enough to be putting him on the same level as Zack -- put Zidane in the same place and how many people are willing to say he wins by the same margin? Zidane's whole argument is not losing any percentage by having a 'core' fanbase with Link sapping all the votes.

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vcharon | Posted 10/18/2008 10:00:35 PM | message detail
There's just no way I can see Zidane doing what Zack did... just no way at all.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 10:00:36 PM | message detail
I mean, do you guys even remember how badly Wario did last year? His raw X-stats value is 8%. In hindsight I have no idea why he was the favorite, and I took him in that match.

That happens when you get double SFF'd and stuck in a match with Sephiroth.

And Ocelot, stop doing gun tricks and actually SHOOT Jill!

And guys, this is REFAQs! Stop denying it!

Again I ask: RE4 in the Games Contest. What will it do?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 10:00:47 PM | message detail
Zidane wouldn't have done nearly as well in Zack's place, no. He doesn't have to; Link is in this poll, and even with a fugly pic he's going to dominate. Zidane's fanbase is much more devoted than Zack's.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/18/2008 10:01:15 PM | message detail

ZFS (#126)
Though Zidane's performance wasn't good enough to be putting him on the same level as Zack -- put Zidane in the same place and how many people are willing to say he wins by the same margin? Zidane's whole argument is not losing any percentage by having a 'core' fanbase with Link sapping all the votes.



Zidane doesn't have the core fanbase and popularity to get over 40% in any type of poll
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 10:01:36 PM | message detail
That happens when you get double SFF'd and stuck in a match with Sephiroth.

Just saying. He's not likely to be strong at all.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2008 10:01:37 PM | message detail
and Zack is much more stronger than Zidane.

Zack would have to lose a ton of fanbase to even come close to losing. that's a huge stretch even for you, Kami.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/18/2008 10:01:49 PM | message detail
No way Link gets 60% tomorrow, given that Zack is way stronger than Shadow.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 10:02:13 PM | message detail
Zidane's fanbase is much more devoted than Zack's.

FFVII's fanbase has proven to be pretty devoted in these things. That's part of the reason Zack's so strong in the first place, unless you're willing to give Crisis Core a LOT of credit.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2008 10:02:54 PM | message detail
Zidane's fanbase is much more devoted than Zack's.

This is what you're banking on, anyway. We'll see if it holds true tomorrow.

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/18/2008 10:02:59 PM | message detail
Yeah, I think people are overrating Zack here. Zidane definitely has a chance tomorrow.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 10:03:26 PM | message detail
Just saying. He's not likely to be strong at all.

Wario was never going to be anything but a low midcarder, and everyone knew that going into it. Just people who picked Wario either thought Zack was going to be a flop or be hindered by Cecil.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/18/2008 10:03:36 PM | message detail
Well hello there, Ocelot. Seems you've decided to join the party
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/18/2008 10:04:00 PM | message detail
Nice 30 vote cut by Ocelot there to end the hour!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 10:04:01 PM | message detail
Zack is FF7 in the absolute loosest sense of the word. He's going to have less (relatively) devoted fans than Aeris, and she got destroyed last year.

We've already seen Vivi hold up amazingly against Sephiroth. FFIX has a very devoted fanbase.

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red sox 777 | Posted 10/18/2008 10:04:10 PM | message detail
If we're talking about fanbase floors, I'm sure FFVII's is much higher than FFIX's remember, 24% of the site said FFVII was their favorite game.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 88/112 --- T-300 (103 way)
Bracket: Sonic > Magus --- Vote: Magus
Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/18/2008 10:04:14 PM | message detail
hochimnih157 (#109)
Wanna know why Ocelot beat Jill last year? Cloud. Cloud took most of the percentage leaving Jill and Ocelot with a small portion of the percentage pie. This benefits the character with the more dedicated fanbase which was Ocelot. This year Ocelot and Jill get a much larger share of the percentage pie (Over 50% together) and the character with the more hardcore fanbase does not really benefit under such a cirumstance. Jill WAS stronger last year but Cloud eating all the percentage killed her.


I fully agree. I was trying to tell people that Cloud affected that match more than it would seem, people laughed.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 10:04:25 PM | message detail
...And just when I thought Ocelot was dead.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2008 10:04:35 PM | message detail
hello there Ocelot

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2008 10:05:14 PM | message detail
24% of the site said FFVII was their favorite game.

yeah, this is all that needs to be said honestly.
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Dedede/Pit/Ryu/Zero - Bracket: Zero > RyuH - Vote: Zero (53/64)
vcharon | Posted 10/18/2008 10:05:48 PM | message detail
Keep in mind Ryu/Zero guys.


Ocelot isn't done here just yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2008 10:06:01 PM | message detail
Zack is FF7 in the absolute loosest sense of the word. He's going to have less (relatively) devoted fans than Aeris, and she got destroyed last year.

...By Squall. Need to remember that.

We've already seen Vivi hold up amazingly against Sephiroth. FFIX has a very devoted fanbase.

30% on Sephiroth was better than we thought, yeah, but Zidane's fanbase isn't as large, and Vivi draws from more than FFIX anyway.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/18/2008 10:06:33 PM | message detail
Aeris got destroyed when stuck with Squall and Sora. ZIDANE is not Squall and Sora.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/18/2008 10:07:29 PM | message detail
So suddenly FF7 fans are a mindless swarm that vote their characters over all else?

I honestly don't see how Zack can have a devoted fanbase at all.

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red sox 777 | Posted 10/18/2008 10:08:06 PM | message detail
And devotedness of fanbase matters far less than independence of fanbase. Suppose just for argument the average FFVII fan has played 10 games, and he likes FFVII more than half of them. He will vote for FFVII provided that none of the other 3 options are among his 4 favorite games. Now suppose the typical FFIX fan has played 100 games, and likes FFIX more than 90% of them. He will vote for FFIX as long as none of the other 3 options are among his 9 favorite games. In reality, FFVII is not that much more independent than FFIX, but it's also probably more loyal.
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Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 88/112 --- T-300 (103 way)
Bracket: Sonic > Magus --- Vote: Magus
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