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consolefreak | Posted 10/17/2008 3:02:18 AM | message detail
Hard to believe Rydia being more powerful than Cecil, really. If anything, I think this makes Zack look pretty great. We'll see in a couple of days, though he might overperform a bit there (or maybe not, depending on the importance of the buster sword).

Definitely feeling Auron > Sonic next round, although I don't think Sonic looked too bad yesterday. Better than the Chief, at least.

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Where is that Tifa pic from? She looks great IMO.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/17/2008 3:04:10 AM | message detail
some mock thing square did.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/17/2008 3:08:15 AM | message detail
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Wow, Link's picture....

Zack > Link for sure... and does Zidane have the same picture from round 1, but flipped?


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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/17/2008 3:16:30 AM | message detail
yes he does XD
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consolefreak | Posted 10/17/2008 3:17:40 AM | message detail
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consolefreak | Posted 10/17/2008 3:18:00 AM | message detail
Also, is there a top x somewhere of the biggest successful comebacks? And was yesterday the biggest ever?

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/17/2008 3:19:40 AM | message detail
I'm not sure as to what the actual largest lead Magus had, but I think Sonic's comeback on Crono was bigger.

In a 4-way though, yesterday was the biggest, I think.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/17/2008 3:27:37 AM | message detail
Both Chrono and DK have dropped with more I think, but in this format nothing beats yesterday. Heck Magus lead was bigger than what Frog had on Axel yesterday.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/17/2008 3:39:39 AM | message detail
At this time:

Rydia's lead over Marcus: 1305
Kefka's lead over Marcus: 817
Ocelot's lead over Marcus: 1088

Well, her lead now is bigger than Ocelot's largest lead.
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/17/2008 4:38:23 AM | message detail
About time Rydia's lead increased again.

That was a nice hour of stalling by Marcus!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/17/2008 4:44:06 AM | message detail
I found the Tifa pic on google. Some Advent Children promotional art I believe. The thing that sucks is somebody had already used it, but I didn't realize that until I submitted a redone version with three gradients.

Sorry, whoever that was!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/17/2008 4:45:19 AM | message detail
I think it was HM who used that pic.
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BagFries | Posted 10/17/2008 4:45:54 AM | message detail
I wish Auron/Sonic was tomorrow. I can't wait until the blue blur gets his ass handed to him.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/17/2008 5:43:01 AM | message detail
Magus vs. Knuckles
Crono vs. Sonic
Megaman vs. Sonic.
Auron vs. Sonic
Magus vs. Frog


Knuckles now, Magus after CT:DS
Crono
Mega Man by a landslide
Tough call. I think it'd be pretty close 1v1
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2008 5:47:33 AM | message detail
Pretty much expected where Auron and Subby are, though I can't say I expected Rydia > Fenix here. The pic is probably making the difference here. Either way, Cecil just keeps looking more pathetic. I'm not even willing to say Zack SFF'd Cecil because Rydia's doing fine with Auron here, and who's more likely to have SFF power? Auron or Zack? Well, Rydia could be doing fine because of the pic again, but still. It's not like we didn't have proof Cecil was awful before (Kirby in 2005).

I'm not calling Auron > Sonic a lock at this point. I still favor it, but I don't know why some people are taking it as an absolute certainty. You can't take a match with a joke character in it at face value, at least in terms of the percentage Sonic gets overall. I don't think Sandbag has much of a chance of advancing again. It doesn't seem to have the static fanbase Cube or Block have, and even if it does, it's got a lower base, which will make it easier to be eliminated.

And again I ask: Is that Auron pic even official art? I've never seen anything like that before at all.

Thinking about it strictly in terms of storyline significance is probably a mistake.

Referring to Ocelot here, it's not just storyline significance. He's just flat out awesome and likable in basically every aspect of the game. And he's finally not a secondary character, which might have hindered his strength before. He's the co-star of MGS4 along with Snake. Raiden went from star to secondary character, though the re-design in character and appearance probably still helps.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2008 5:53:19 AM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Shepard | Magus | Sandbag | Sonic
PHV | 12.57% | 27.54% | 26.67% | 33.22% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 13.46% | 26.93% | 22.91% | 36.70% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 13.37% | 23.49% | 23.57% | 39.56% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 13.77% | 26.10% | 22.38% | 37.74% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 13.26% | 22.20% | 27.64% | 36.91% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 13.66% | 26.83% | 25.03% | 34.49% | (22:00-24:00)

Sonic, usually a board favorite, has an unusually bad Power Hour due to the Magus/Sandbag showdown. As a result, he makes a significant gain during the night for like the first time ever, and he makes a bigger gain in the morning. He went back down in the second night vote possibly due to the Sandbag/Magus showdown drawing to a close. Pretty interesting to watch Sandbag and Magus basically swap percentages in each demographic, though Magus actually held up pretty well during the morning vote. That ASV killed him though.

Yesterday's stats:

Sonic the Hedgehog – 50.00%
Sandbag – 40.42%
Magus – 40.24%
Commander Shepard – 26.65%

For the record, Big Boss gets 58.31% on Magus last year, which makes him look Noble Nine caliber (as his first round match here did as well), but man, that makes Mario look really good, heh.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/17/2008 6:02:54 AM | message detail
Sub-Zero is getting 40.18% on Auron

in round 1 he got 45.35% on Sonic
in round 2 he got 34.58% on Sonic

If Sonic is somewhere in the middle now this could be close.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 87/116 Today's Match: Auron > Sub-Zero
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2008 6:04:52 AM | message detail
Round 2 was post-Brawl announcement Sonic, which may have had an effect.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/17/2008 6:06:18 AM | message detail
I know which is why I think he dropped some. Also Magus vs. Sub-Zero, who wins?
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Character Battle 2008: Points 87/116 Today's Match: Auron > Sub-Zero
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2008 6:09:57 AM | message detail
At this point, I'll take Sub-Zero. Might be close though.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/17/2008 6:32:16 AM | message detail
Hmm...I'm going to completely credit FFIV doing well to the DS game, and hope for a massive CTDS boost. Magus broke 40% on Sonic yesterday- maybe he can finally beat Sonic next year! As for Crono, forget about Mario- we're going after Sephiroth. Oh, and hopefully this means Zack really is at Vincent level or so and was LFF'd by Cecil, so his chances against Mario in round 4 are not quite exactly zero.
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Bracket: Sonic > Magus --- Vote: Magus
red sox 777 | Posted 10/17/2008 6:33:57 AM | message detail
On Magus vs. Sub-Zero, I think I'd have to go with Subby right now- he's looked flat out more impressive the past few years, although Magus might make it close.
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Bracket: Sonic > Magus --- Vote: Magus
MnMZero | Posted 10/17/2008 7:29:27 AM | message detail
Bunch of damn Sonic anti-fanboys in this topic :(

In all seriousness, I think people overrate Auron to all hell. He's always been a tier under Vincent and Squall. If this were Squall going in the match with Sonic next round... Yeah, good night Sonic. I'm not entirely as convinced with Auron.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2008 7:35:36 AM | message detail
On the contrary, people don't give Auron enough credit - the only match where he's ever disappointed was his loss to Ganondorf, and I wouldn't bet on the King of Evil in a rematch. Remember, Auron almost beat Ryu with Cloud in the poll. That's no joke.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2008 7:37:17 AM | message detail
I mean are we looking at what he's doing to Sero and Fenix while Rydia's pulling down 18%
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Miss_Rydia | Posted 10/17/2008 7:37:46 AM | message detail
and crushin subby with rydia('s boobs) sapping isn't anything short of impressive
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Miss_Rydia | Posted 10/17/2008 7:38:35 AM | message detail
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MnMZero | Posted 10/17/2008 7:44:58 AM | message detail
On the contrary, people don't give Auron enough credit - the only match where he's ever disappointed was his loss to Ganondorf

I never said he's disappointed, but some act like he's on the same level as a Vincent or Squall. He's never shown that much strength.
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BagFries | Posted 10/17/2008 7:51:53 AM | message detail
I disagree with people who think Auron is on the level of Squincent. I don't think he's far behind them at all though. He's still going to kick Sonic's ass for my brackets sake though.

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/17/2008 7:52:50 AM | message detail
Hmm, Rydia looks pretty good for third here. Then again, after yesterday, it would be foolish to count Marcus out.

But who cares about that, nice to see Auron almost at 40%. Hopefully he can stay high and make a push for it towards the end!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2008 7:54:03 AM | message detail
Yeah, at that point you're basically just splitting hairs with strengths. I'll give you that I don't think Auron would beat Vincent or Squall in a match - but I'd take him over everyone else that's below them. That's what matters.
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vcharon | Posted 10/17/2008 8:02:59 AM | message detail
Wow, Fenix is still sucking. Is it same to say that not only has Nintendo weakened, but XBox chars as well?

Ryu impressed sure... but he's not technically a true XBox character.
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MnMZero | Posted 10/17/2008 8:11:10 AM | message detail
Stop trying to lessen what I said. I'd call the difference between Squall/Vincent and Auron more than "splitting hairs". This never was about whether Squall or Vincent could beat Auron in a one-on-one match. I dont' think Auron is on the same level as them.

At any rate, we obviously don't agree so I'm not going to waste time arguing my point.
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BagFries | Posted 10/17/2008 8:12:16 AM | message detail
So you only argue your point when someone agrees with you? Interesting tactic.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/17/2008 8:13:29 AM | message detail
Squall had his chance. Now it's Auron's time to succeed where Squall has failed!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2008 8:14:45 AM | message detail
Stop trying to lessen what I said. I'd call the difference between Squall/Vincent and Auron more than "splitting hairs". This never was about whether Squall or Vincent could beat Auron in a one-on-one match. I dont' think Auron is on the same level as them.

I haven't "lessened" anything. If you don't think Auron is on the same "level" (whatever that means) then you're flat-out wrong. End of story - and Auron'll prove it again next round.
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MnMZero | Posted 10/17/2008 8:15:15 AM | message detail
Or maybe I don't feel like arguing points to death going back and forth, which is what usually happens in this topic.
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BagFries | Posted 10/17/2008 8:17:06 AM | message detail
well considering you said you're not arguing because he doesn't agree with you --- uh yeah

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H__RR____H | Posted 10/17/2008 8:53:22 AM | message detail
Color me extreme, but I like Auron's chances against Squall just enough to take Auron > Squall until further notice. Still, whether that's true or not, I think it's hard to argue that Auron isn't on their general level.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/17/2008 8:56:58 AM | message detail
Seems Rydia has this. The power of boobs is a strong thing
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/17/2008 9:00:09 AM | message detail
CS&D are exposing their niavity if they think Auron has a shot at Sonic next round. What's Sonic's supposed dissapointing performance based on exactly? The fact that there was 2 utter unknowns in the match or how he 60/40'd a boosted version of the most erratic character in contest history while simultainously having his Smash power held back by Sandbag?

Sonic looked fine yesterday, better than I expected actually and this kind of talk has been pumped out before he faced Tifa, Vincent and Squall and he dispatched them all soundly, all of which are stronger FF characters than Auron who in turn must be losing his KH2 boost.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/17/2008 9:00:45 AM | message detail
lol smurf is still grasping
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/17/2008 9:03:11 AM | message detail
On the contrary, people don't give Auron enough credit - the only match where he's ever disappointed was his loss to Ganondorf, and I wouldn't bet on the King of Evil in a rematch.

Ganondorf was obviously on a Villains Contest high that contest, as was Bowser. Neither of the two have looked quite as impressive since.

And Auron's not far off from Squall and Vincent, and with the potential of Sandbag hindering Sonic even a little bit, he's got a great shot. I still think he's stronger with this format than in straight one-on-ones, but that's just my personal opinion.

But Squall pulled down 45%+ with Yoshi, CATS, and Drake. Auron's got nearly 40% with Sub-Zero, Rydia, and Marcus Fenix. I'd say those are similar performances.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/17/2008 9:03:42 AM | message detail
Don't forget that Sonic only put up 39-32 again Subby last year.
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BagFries | Posted 10/17/2008 9:04:59 AM | message detail
Auron > Sonic has nothing to do with this years matches. Last year told me everything I needed to know, and neither Sonic or Auron performed so drastically different from prior expectations to change my feelings about the match.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/17/2008 9:06:13 AM | message detail
Not to mention Sandbag is there to sap away sonics votes. Sonic needs a miracle to beat Auron, and he may even be beaten by SANDBAG if it starts to get rallied more.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/17/2008 9:16:44 AM | message detail

Ganondorf was obviously on a Villains Contest high that contest, as was Bowser. Neither of the two have looked quite as impressive since.


2004 Ganondorf > 2005 Auron, albeit probably barely. Auron did drop that year. Tidus did as well. It makes sense.

And in regards to today's match, Auron is currently doing roughly as well as he did against Sub-Zero in 2006. (Keep in mind that his percentage on Sub-Zero might drop like it did in 2006 as well.) This hardly spells Sonic disaster to me. How popular do you guys think Auron was in 2006? Anything much higher than 33 on BL seems a little unreasonable to me, so that's where I'd peg him now. And didn't people think that Sub-Zero was overperforming a little that year due to his new game?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/17/2008 9:19:20 AM | message detail
Ganondorf was obviously on a Villains Contest high that contest, as was Bowser. Neither of the two have looked quite as impressive since.

And Diablo was in the final four, and put up 56-44 on a Tales character

The Villains contest shouldn't be considered when it comes to strength.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/17/2008 9:19:59 AM | message detail
And didn't people think that Sub-Zero was overperforming a little that year due to his new game?

Sonic only beat Subby last year 39-32, and Auron is far surpassing that this year.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2008 9:25:52 AM | message detail
And didn't people think that Sub-Zero was overperforming a little that year due to his new game?

If that's the case, that would Auron look only stronger that year - anyway, it's not about whether Auron would beat Sonic 1v1. I think we can all say that's not happening pretty confidently. But between the Nintendo drop and Sonic characters performing like ASS in this format, you don't need to be as strong as Vincent to beat the 'hog.
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