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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 595

charmander6000 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:39:09 AM | message detail
Big Boss beat Kirby pretty badly, even with Raiden he could beat out Kirby for second.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 77/100 Today's Match: Master Chief > Raiden
Lady Ashe | Posted 10/13/2008 6:39:20 AM | message detail
Sephiroth > Dante. DMC4 boost.

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hellfire104 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:40:45 AM | message detail
raiden is going to SFF Big Boss a lot. Don't know if you've played MGS4 but Raiden is an AWESOME character in it. Even with the Snake photo, big boss is going to lose like 30% of his vote to Raiden.
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Contest Point Total: 77 Rank: 98%tile, Tied for 435
This Pick: Master Chief > Raiden
charmander6000 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:50:00 AM | message detail
I know Raiden is awesome, but Kirby has a lot of ground to cover. Remember when people thought Bowser would beat Ryu once Toad and Mewtwo were removed same thing except backwards.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 77/100 Today's Match: Master Chief > Raiden
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:51:39 AM | message detail
You replace Shadow in that poll with Chun-Li or Ken, hell, even Dan, and I promise you Bowser beats Ryu easily.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:54:50 AM | message detail
Huh, Kain somehow doesn't suck too much more than Raiden during daylight. He's probably done, but I don't see him falling too far below 25% at this point. Which is quite fine by me. Seeing my favorite 2D FF character not bomb when he had serious potential to is very nice.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/13/2008 6:55:34 AM | message detail
If you would have replaced Shadow with Cloud, they both beat Auron.

Hoo-rah.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:58:07 AM | message detail
Seeing Kain do well is convincing me to rally to get him in next year instead of Cecil. I mean, the worst that can happen is he gets an 8 seed and loses to a guy like Snake, and the best (well....maybe, I want a 1v1 contest next time) is he gets put in a fourpack with one newcomer (hello instant jobber), so if he avoids getting stuck with an FF character, he could have a good chance at advancing (!!)
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/13/2008 7:04:56 AM | message detail
I must say, I love how Kain and Raiden are trying to out-suck each other here with the Chief just being like 'aww yeah kiddies'.
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/13/2008 7:17:45 AM | message detail
Sephiroth > Dante. DMC4 boost.

Let's do this.

You know, I really didn't think that Cecil and Zack had overlapped that much, FFIV and FFVII being pretty far apart. Did Zack SFF him more than I thought, or is Kain really just this much better...? A Kratos/Lloyd kind of deal? Some of both?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/13/2008 7:17:57 AM | message detail
The Kain rally is my baby. Back off.

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#163 This is wigged out. Everything related to the Xbox goes berserk this contest, yet the flagship struggles? WTF mate.


Because "everything related to the X-Box" that we've seen so far is Ryu Hayabusa, and he just got his first game in a few years 3 months ago. X-Box characters aren't like Nintendo characters where people will just blindly vote for the whole lot of them because of Smash.

Seriously, how are people surprised by Chief sucking? You can't even say he's screwed because Raiden for all we know could be a legit midcarder.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/13/2008 7:22:10 AM | message detail
I know Raiden is awesome, but Kirby has a lot of ground to cover. Remember when people thought Bowser would beat Ryu once Toad and Mewtwo were removed same thing except backwards.

I'm still convinced that that was all because of Shadow, because we saw him holding back Link against that hoser Zidane.

And I fail to also see how a badass secondary character being stronger than his lame, wussy lead is surprising. Auron/Teedus anybody? Zidane/Vivi? Or even Balthier/Vaan? The reason Cloud and Squall are the strongest from their games is because they ARE the badass. That loser Vincent has nothing on Cloud.
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AcDc9669 | Posted 10/13/2008 7:25:49 AM | message detail
Master cheif will kick your ass then shoot it into space
charmander6000 | Posted 10/13/2008 7:29:13 AM | message detail
Cecil is pretty cool in his own right. This match just created more questions than answers for next round.

Okay maybe Ryu/Bowser was a bad example. How about Mudkip couldn't defeat either Ganondorf or Luigi in round 2 despite both of them spliting the votes evenly?
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Character Battle 2008: Points 77/100 Today's Match: Master Chief > Raiden
BDawg | Posted 10/13/2008 7:43:25 AM | message detail
Aw man now I actually have to think about Auron/Subby/Marcus/Rydia percentages. But yeah I'm happy old school FF Square finally showed up. Get out of the way Kefka, we have a new mascot and he has no LETTUCE pic.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/13/2008 7:53:57 AM | message detail
Auron - 38%
Sub-Zero - 27%
Marcus - 25%
Rydia - 10%
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/13/2008 7:59:25 AM | message detail
Man, Kain still looking really good. He's falling slower than Raiden now that the sun is up.

Also, now is your time, Chief. Try and reclaim some of your dignity!
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Kain/MC/Layton/Raiden - Bracket: MC > Raiden - Vote: Raiden (77/100)
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/13/2008 8:00:53 AM | message detail
Where is Master Chief on the list of first round bombs? Once again, we're not sure exactly how bad this performance is, but considering so many people have him in the final rounds of the tournament, I'd say he's up there on the dud list.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/13/2008 8:12:01 AM | message detail
Yeah, no matter what you think of Raiden, this match says Chief/Kain is about 59/41, which is awful. Kain can only be so strong, especially when you consider that Wario/Cecil is about 71/29 based on the first match.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/13/2008 8:14:44 AM | message detail
Wario > Link

Zack > Cloud
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/13/2008 8:15:36 AM | message detail
This is one of those matches where you just sit down and shake your head, as one way or another it doesn't make much sense.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/13/2008 8:16:17 AM | message detail
ok wait maybe he's getting Final Fantasy "Highwind" votes and Legacy of Kain "Kain" votes so where would that put him
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/13/2008 8:17:12 AM | message detail
And what about WWE "Kane" votes? Sure, it isn't spelled the same, but these are the people who voted for Big Boss thinking it was Solid Snake!!
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vcharon | Posted 10/13/2008 8:17:43 AM | message detail
Since LoK characters are sadly fodder, that isn't a very helpful argument.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/13/2008 8:19:17 AM | message detail
I think it's more likely that he's getting Highwind votes.

We need to get FF7 Cid in these things!

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/13/2008 8:20:27 AM | message detail
I don't get what's so perplexing about this match. The only surprise is Kain being worth a damn, and even then it's something I'd always suspected.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/13/2008 8:27:26 AM | message detail
Dude, drop the act. Your analysis had Master Chief at 46%. oh yeah nottin surprisin here move along
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BagFries | Posted 10/13/2008 8:29:59 AM | message detail
MC's definitely not as strong as last year... but I wasn't expecting him to be. I was banking on 360 acceptance weakening the blow he'd take this contest though, but uh, yeah, looks like he lost more than I was expecting. Still I don't think he's quite as bad as everyone is selling him off for.

Every single MGS4 character has impressed to absolutely ****ing bonkers proportions, except Snake but that's cause he sucks and BRAWL DE-BOOST. Luigi > Bowser or Bowser > Luigi is the guru fave, yes? Yet Liquid only finished behind Luigi by 6% without the Koopa King even being there. He should now be considered the favorite to advance to R3. I don't think anyone needs a reminder of how impressive BB was yesterday, Snake proxy votes or not, and then add onto it the general consensus before this match was that Raiden had the most reason to gain from MGS4 and it's really not that bad for MC.

MC > Kirby is pretty much locked up for next round after seeing what Raiden has been able to do here. Unless something really ****ed up like Kirby > MC happens. The only thing that makes me wary about my thoughts on MC are Kain obviously, but we'll just have to reserve judgment until further rounds/next year.

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/13/2008 8:37:09 AM | message detail
I don't see how Kirby > MC is "****ed up" after Chief's performance today. The two taking either variation of the top 2 slots wouldn't surprise me.

If anything, Round 2 now points to Kirby > MC depending on what you would expect Kirby to do against these guys.

Anyway, what do you guys think the percentages of the R2 match are if...

a) Big Boss gets a old man pic
b) Big Boss gets a Naked Snake pic
c) Raiden gets a MGS2 pic (if you think the Cyborg pic helps/hurts him)
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Kain/MC/Layton/Raiden - Bracket: MC > Raiden - Vote: Raiden (77/100)
GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/13/2008 8:37:21 AM | message detail
I just hope Liquid doesn't get his 80's rock star pic in Round 2 though.
He ALWAYS performs horribly with it. It's like... worse than Solid **** or Big ****


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Today's prediction: Chief 48.20% - Raiden 27.89% - Kain 15.30% - Layton 8.61%
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/13/2008 8:46:14 AM | message detail
I'm really surprised Kain hung in there over night. And good to see the Chief day vote is finally kicking in
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/13/2008 8:50:08 AM | message detail
So....which threepack is stronger, pre-MGS4 Liquid/Alucard/Yuna, or post-MGS4 Raiden/Kain/Layton? That's all you need to look at to realize just how bad this is making MC look. The guy's like 6% below where he was at this time in that match.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/13/2008 8:50:37 AM | message detail
That match being Yuna/Alucard/Liquid.
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vcharon | Posted 10/13/2008 8:56:09 AM | message detail
Liquid/Alucard/Yuna are still stronger; MC is just this much weaker.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/13/2008 8:58:03 AM | message detail
Man, I can't believe Kain is still holding up this well. Crazy.
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BagFries | Posted 10/13/2008 8:59:07 AM | message detail
Who knows? Post MGS4 Raiden, Kain and Layton are all complete unknowns. Obviously the former appears to be the stronger, and everyone pretty much agreed on that before this match, but you can't say one or the other is stronger with any sort of certainty.

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Link The Hylian | Posted 10/13/2008 9:01:13 AM | message detail
Also lol at that guy who thought MC was god in this format and could beat characters like Sonic.

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Salasar Elerital | Posted 10/13/2008 9:02:01 AM | message detail
How are going Kain's day votes compared to Raiden's?
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/13/2008 9:02:54 AM | message detail
Well, Master Chief's going up like crazy now. Maybe 40% isn't out of reach...
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vcharon | Posted 10/13/2008 9:03:13 AM | message detail
This definitely makes me want to see Kain and even Cecil back again next year. I'm a lot more confident that in a favorable group, they could place.

Like I said before, Cecil may not be entirely weak... perhaps Zack really is just that strong. It really remains to be seen. Cecil may still come out of this contest looking respectable. Rydia's performance will be the real test of what a FF4 character is capable of now.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/13/2008 9:05:46 AM | message detail
MC's not getting 40.... if he does that'd be orgasmic, and I wouldn't feel bad at him at all. I said yesterday him getting anywhere from 40-50% I'd be comfortable with him. At this point I'm thinking like mid 38's.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/13/2008 9:06:09 AM | message detail

Link The Hylian (#287)
Also lol at that guy who thought MC was god in this format and could beat characters like Sonic.



He WAS a god in this format last year, and last year had the strength to beat Sonic. Whats so far fetched about that?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/13/2008 9:08:03 AM | message detail
Rydia's performance won't mean anything unless she does really well, because she'll get SFFed into the ground by Auron. If she breaks 15% in that match then Cecil and Kain are all of a sudden solid midcarders. If she falls on her face, Auron drained her of FF support.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/13/2008 9:09:53 AM | message detail
The Kain comeback has started now that Chief is sharing his Game Fuel with him.

Believe
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/13/2008 9:10:32 AM | message detail

WarThaNemesis2 (#293)
Rydia's performance won't mean anything unless she does really well, because she'll get SFFed into the ground by Auron. If she breaks 15% in that match then Cecil and Kain are all of a sudden solid midcarders. If she falls on her face, Auron drained her of FF support.



FF fans aren't the only people who like boobs, you know. 3 manly guys against a hot girl, I could see alot of people voting for the boobs.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/13/2008 9:10:40 AM | message detail
Game Fuel "Kain! You must stop his lead! Jump!"
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/13/2008 9:16:48 AM | message detail
Chief may get 38%... still vastly disappointing though.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/13/2008 9:30:58 AM | message detail

...This match makes me wish I had Ocelot going to round three now. It'll be interesting to see what he can do to Kratos in a few days. All things MGS4 have impressed so far.


Woah. Hey now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Ocelot appeared to be on the fodderline level last year. It would take a pretty big boost to get him up to the upper midcarder level which is what he would need to take down Kratos.

Every single MGS4 character has impressed to absolutely ****ing bonkers proportions, except Snake but that's cause he sucks and BRAWL DE-BOOST.

Liquid Snake did not overperform to any dramatic effect. Are people honestly underestimating him *again?* He just got saddled with 4th Place last year. He still was equal to Alucard the round before.

And I fail to also see how a badass secondary character being stronger than his lame, wussy lead is surprising. Auron/Teedus anybody? Zidane/Vivi? Or even Balthier/Vaan? The reason Cloud and Squall are the strongest from their games is because they ARE the badass. That loser Vincent has nothing on Cloud.

But Cecil isn't really considered "wussy" in the same way that someone like Tidus or Lloyd is. Kain is the "fan favorite", but there's plenty of people who still like Cecil. Kind of like a lesser version of Crono and Magus. And based on his performance in the second match, Zidane probably would be on par with Vivi if the latter didn't look like a Black Mage.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/13/2008 9:51:49 AM | message detail
Ocelot appeared to be on the fodderline level last year. It would take a pretty big boost to get him up to the upper midcarder level which is what he would need to take down Kratos.

Replace Ocelot with Raiden and Kratos with Chief.

And Ocelot was better than fodder last year, and he was probably stronger than Raiden while it's doubtful Kratos is as strong as the Chief.
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vcharon | Posted 10/13/2008 9:52:01 AM | message detail
Um... you do realize Vivi isn't FFIX's "badass" by any stretch, right?
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