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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 12:55:52 PM | message detail
Didn't Earthbound not get released in Europe? That would explain the horrendous morning vote for Ness.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2008 12:56:04 PM | message detail
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/12/2008 12:58:41 PM | message detail
gg kratos if ocelot gets that pic

oh gawd that's hott
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 12:59:23 PM | message detail
I still think Kratos beats out Ocelot with that pic. Kratos will be great this year
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:00:49 PM | message detail
Also weird... last couple updates Boss is starting to gain in percentage again after losing percentage all day. Whats especial about this time on a Sunday I wonder..
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/12/2008 1:01:30 PM | message detail
but I think today's picture is doing more for him than his face-shot last year in R2.

Big Boss's? Isn't it the same picture? *checks* Yep, sure is. This is a different Big Boss here though. He's definitely looking stronger. He was averaging 50% updates overnight. That's just sick.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/12/2008 1:02:28 PM | message detail
ZFS (#149)
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I'd already submitted a relatively low quality one. I'd love for this to get in over mine, but it IS Bacon...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 1:03:12 PM | message detail
That's just the evening vote kicking in. Because there is no ASV, the day vote is divided along the day, and now is when we typically see the trends shift to the evening vote.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/12/2008 1:04:11 PM | message detail
I'll say it again - the early morning vote is a really deep night vote on weekends.

Yeah, but that was an awfully big shift nonetheless.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/12/2008 1:04:52 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe (#151)
Didn't Earthbound not get released in Europe? That would explain the horrendous morning vote for Ness.

You're right about Earthbound not seeing a European release, but that's largely irrelevant since, like, 100 people vote Ness because of the Mother series.

Though it does beg the question: What the hell does Europe have against good SNES era RPGs?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:05:11 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#159)
I'll say it again - the early morning vote is a really deep night vote on weekends.

Yeah, but that was an awfully big shift nonetheless.



I think its Europe day vote at that time, isn't it? Like someone said earlier, Earthbound wasn't released in Europe...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:06:24 PM | message detail
Well I'd say with Lucas VERY poor showing today, we see how much being in Smash Bros can get without having ANY game to draw on, since Mother 3 isn't out here. So At least Ness has EArthbound which I'm sure gives him a couple more percentage.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/12/2008 1:07:15 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#156)
but I think today's picture is doing more for him than his face-shot last year in R2.

Big Boss's? Isn't it the same picture? *checks* Yep, sure is. This is a different Big Boss here though. He's definitely looking stronger. He was averaging 50% updates overnight. That's just sick.



Same picture? Well then...snake in brawl confusing the voters confirmed

This full-shot does look better to me, though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/12/2008 1:08:10 PM | message detail
The pic last year was really grainy, probably from being zoomed in too much.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/12/2008 1:11:32 PM | message detail
The big difference between Ness and Lucas is that Ness has been in Smash from the beginning and had a fanbase there. Lucas is just in Brawl, and isn't even favored over Ness.

If you aren't a casual favorite, (Like Falcon, Ike, Meta) you're going to do horribly.
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BDawg | Posted 10/12/2008 1:14:17 PM | message detail
Probably didn't help any that Subspace Emissary made Lucas look like a pansy. Especially since his game is completely unknown.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/12/2008 1:15:10 PM | message detail
The SSE has proven that it doesn't do anything.

Case in point: Dedede losing to Pit.
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Tohoya | Posted 10/12/2008 1:15:35 PM | message detail
You know, someone arguing for MM9 doing anything at this point, much less giving him the juice to match up with Snake is not someone I think is worth debating releases and their implications on the stats anymore. Have fun with your Dante > Chief upset. I'd say he's better suited to be looking out for Kirby given it's the sprite round.

Huh? Why is it so unlikely for MM9 to boost Mega Man? It's his biggest release in a decade.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/12/2008 1:16:17 PM | message detail
It's the Blue Bomber's ONLY release in a decade, but WiiWare won't do THAT much for him.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:17:07 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#169)
It's the Blue Bomber's ONLY release in a decade, but WiiWare won't do THAT much for him.



Its actually sold best on the XBLA version so far.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/12/2008 1:18:14 PM | message detail
Most of the people who bought MM9 already know who Mega Man is, though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/12/2008 1:18:49 PM | message detail
Its actually sold best on the XBLA version so far.

...!

Where are some sales-stats for this? Not that I don't believe you, but I fully expected WiiWare to be where most of his sales came from.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:18:58 PM | message detail
Yeah, anyone who doesn't know Megaman already would be turned off by the hard difficulty and 8 bit graphics
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:19:12 PM | message detail

HaRRicH (#172)
Its actually sold best on the XBLA version so far.

...!

Where are some sales-stats for this? Not that I don't believe you, but I fully expected WiiWare to be where most of his sales came from.



Vgchartz
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transience | Posted 10/12/2008 1:19:45 PM | message detail
yeah, that's just Albion making stuff up. there are no numbers out and all indications are that the Wii version is dominating.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:21:07 PM | message detail

transience (#175)
yeah, that's just Albion making stuff up. there are no numbers out and all indications are that the Wii version is dominating.



VGChartz does weekly XBLA sales charts, and first week at least outdid Wiiwares first week.
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transience | Posted 10/12/2008 1:21:12 PM | message detail
hell, look at the FAQ page

28 28 3 91 Wii Mega Man 9

360 and PS3 versions nowhere to be seen, despite the fact that the 360 version came out last week and the Wii one's been out three weeks
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:27:32 PM | message detail
Hmm I can't find the XBLA sales I remember seeing, but supposedly MM9 for Wii ware sold 60k first week, and XBLA version sold 70k or so from what I remember reading.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:28:39 PM | message detail
Wii ware version of MM9 had a very big drop off second week, when MM9 for XBLA released though. Went from 60k to 15k
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/12/2008 1:29:14 PM | message detail
Changing the subject 180 degrees here, but if we had a free-nomination games contest (say, 15 nominations with no caps or requirements for games of any era), how many pre-SNES games do you guys think might make the contest?

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
The Legend of Zelda
Tetris

That's really all I can come up with, and even the original SMB would be a big question mark.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:30:25 PM | message detail
Pac Man
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ZFS | Posted 10/12/2008 1:31:10 PM | message detail
I'd add Mega Man 2 to that group.

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Tohoya | Posted 10/12/2008 1:31:48 PM | message detail
Most of the people who bought MM9 already know who Mega Man is, though.

That's pretty stupid.

Everyone who bought Halo 3 already knew who Master Chief was. Most new releases don't increase character strength by making more people know them, they increase them by making the existing fanbase love them more and ratchet them up in their preference scale. I know from personal experience that pre-MM9 I would probably vote Snake over MM, but now I'd vote MM over Snake, for example.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/12/2008 1:32:11 PM | message detail
Ah, MM2 is definitely one. Dunno about Pac-Man, though.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:32:51 PM | message detail

Tohoya (#183)
Most of the people who bought MM9 already know who Mega Man is, though.

That's pretty stupid.

Everyone who bought Halo 3 already knew who Master Chief was. Most new releases don't increase character strength by making more people know them, they increase them by making the existing fanbase love them more and ratchet them up in their preference scale. I know from personal experience that pre-MM9 I would probably vote Snake over MM, but now I'd vote MM over Snake, for example.



MM9 only really appeals to the hardcore fans of the series. Its not going to convert casual fans of the series with its brutal difficulty and 8 bit graphics.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:33:26 PM | message detail

PartOfYourWorld (#184)
Dunno about Pac-Man, though.



Why?
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Tohoya | Posted 10/12/2008 1:34:19 PM | message detail
MM9 only really appeals to the hardcore fans of the series. Its not going to convert casual fans of the series with its brutal difficulty and 8 bit graphics.

Again, MM9 will increase Mega Man by making those hardcore fans like MM more, and making him be ranked higher in their preferences

Do you seriously think Halo 3 converted a bunch of new people to the Halo franchise?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:34:59 PM | message detail

Tohoya (#187)
MM9 only really appeals to the hardcore fans of the series. Its not going to convert casual fans of the series with its brutal difficulty and 8 bit graphics.

Do you seriously think Halo 3 converted a bunch of new people to the Halo franchise?



Yes, because it was casual and easy to pick up and play. MM9 isn't.
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BDawg | Posted 10/12/2008 1:35:04 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy is always a possibility just because of the name.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/12/2008 1:36:47 PM | message detail
I'm not sure if Pac-Man can muster enough nominations. In 2004, it received fewer nominations from the Arcade section than Donkey Kong did (both those games were part of the Arcade section, right?).
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:38:28 PM | message detail
Eh, Pac Man just seems like it has name recognition and one of the best classic arcade games to get into a game contest, and would likely be a bit stronger then the character himself.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:39:10 PM | message detail
More likely then Mega Man 2, since Mega Man games would likely split nominations (Though Mega Man 2 is the best, many people would probably nominate the first one, some may nominate 3rd, etc.)
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ZFS | Posted 10/12/2008 1:42:20 PM | message detail
I know from personal experience that pre-MM9 I would probably vote Snake over MM, but now I'd vote MM over Snake, for example.

With this being the year of MGS4, converting people from Snake to Mega Man with something like MM9 isn't going to be easy -- and there's a lot of ground that has to be made up.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:43:23 PM | message detail
And sales DO matter when it comes to popular games and characters in these contests, and MANY more people played MGS4 then MM9, so it'll be a WAY bigger boost for Snake then Mega Man.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/12/2008 1:47:07 PM | message detail
Which is why Miles beat Axel, yes?

It doesn't always work like that.
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Tohoya | Posted 10/12/2008 1:47:13 PM | message detail
With this being the year of MGS4, converting people from Snake to Mega Man with something like MM9 isn't going to be easy -- and there's a lot of ground that has to be made up.

Yeah, with an MGS4 boost, I'm not expecting MM to come closer to Snake than he has in the past. It's just a random example of preferences switching owing to a new release, even though I was already a fan of Mega Man.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/12/2008 1:47:24 PM | message detail
Punch-Out! has a decent shot at making it in as a 16 seed I'd say. It always shows up on the Most Popular downloads in the Nintendo Shop channel.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 1:48:20 PM | message detail

HaRRicH (#195)
Which is why Miles beat Axel, yes?

It doesn't always work like that.



I'm talking about sales when it comes to both characters being popular here. If it was Miles vs. a popular character on gamefaqs who sold better, he'd be screwed.
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transience | Posted 10/12/2008 1:48:48 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/

gives you a basic idea.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/12/2008 1:55:37 PM | message detail
Hardcore fans have been voting for Mega Man for 6 years.

One game isn't changing that.
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