GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 594
| ffmasterjose | Posted 10/12/2008 8:35:46 AM | message detail |
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Solid Snake's nothing but a two-eyed Big Boss! Imagine if Lucas wasn't in Brawl. Yeouch. Help Archive Contest Results! Please visit this link and go nuts: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=45766338 ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~ http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/ ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- 75/96 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII NP: Kirby > Big Boss | http://www.thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=0 |
| transience | Posted 10/12/2008 11:03:28 AM | message detail |
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I'd like to get some opinions. what's a stronger fourpack, Kirby/Lucas/Jinjo or Raiden/Kain/Layton? --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:04:57 AM | message detail |
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I'd say Kirby/Lucas/Jinjo is, cuz Kirby is actually pretty strong, yet
Raiden is a low mid carder along with fodder and super fodder --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/12/2008 11:06:00 AM | message detail |
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You know, I might be leaning toward Raiden's trio now. Raiden might not
be as strong as Kirby, but at least his other two goons give that trio
some fanbase variance. Kirby's is all Nintendo with a minute smidgen of
joke. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/16hnm05.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:06:49 AM | message detail |
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Layton may be weaker then Lucas, yet Kain should be a tiny bit stronger then Jinjo --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| transience | Posted 10/12/2008 11:16:24 AM | message detail |
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I thought about that, but this is Kirby vs. Raiden. we're talking the guy who almost lost to Sam Fisher. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| transience | Posted 10/12/2008 11:16:53 AM | message detail |
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then again Big Boss is looking to be at Auron's level when he got more than tripled by him three years ago lol --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:17:29 AM | message detail |
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If Big Boss gets nearly 48% against THIS 4pack, 50% should be a cinche for Chief --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:24:48 AM | message detail |
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And ugh at Chief/Mario comparisons. New levels of craziness. Are you denying they are the face of their respective brands? If so, you are the one who is crazy me thinks. --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:25:26 AM | message detail |
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...kirby cut lol --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/12/2008 11:26:06 AM | message detail |
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then again Big Boss is looking to be at Auron's level when he got more than tripled by him three years ago lol Which is exactly why saying this is all Big Boss is insane. BB boosted for sure, but there is no way in hell he boosted this high. BB boost + Kirby being overrated is the most logical step. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| TimJab | Posted 10/12/2008 11:26:18 AM | message detail |
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ffmasterjose (#001) he wouldn't be in the contest --- affleck you were da bomb in phantoms yo! http://img.imgcake.com/affleck.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/12/2008 11:26:49 AM | message detail |
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Chief is not good at getting an outright majority of this site to vote
for him- this is why he is only a midcarder at one-on-one matches. He
couldn't break 50% on Sub-Zero or Frog, and couldn't break 51% on
Donkey Kong. His non-linearity is his greatest strength in this format-
and the reason he won't be hitting 50% tomorrow. --- Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 70/88 --- T-258 (129 way) Bracket: Cloud > Midna --- Vote: Cloud |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:26:53 AM | message detail |
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XxSoulxX (#011) Big Boss (2007c) VS Kirby (2007c) Big Boss has a strength of 16.22. Kirby has a strength of 22.67. Kirby wins with 64.23% of the vote! A win of 39,004 with 137,088 total votes cast. --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:27:24 AM | message detail |
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Kirby is getting SFF'd twice. The minimal SFF from Lucas, and the huge
SFF from Snake. All the Smash players don't know any better and assume
that Big Boss is Snake will vote for him thusly. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:27:27 AM | message detail |
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red sox 777 (#013) And as I've stated countless times and people just seem to ignore, this is NOT the chief from back when Xbox was hated on the site. --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| Tohoya | Posted 10/12/2008 11:27:36 AM | message detail |
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BB boost + pic factor is the most logical response. There's no reason for Kirby to have been overrated. BB is acting as a Snake proxy here. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| Lopen | Posted 10/12/2008 11:28:27 AM | message detail |
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Yet Mario beat Cloud due to Super Mario Sunshine and got absolutely
murdered the following year. By your logic, Mario should have beat
Cloud even harder in 2003 because SMS had time to "digest" Mario/Cloud was a fluke. There's a difference between having something released during a contest and having something released during a contest, linked from a big site, and have it released on the day of a match. Not to mention Cloud and Seph were a lot weaker that year, as Mega Man almost beat Sephiroth as well, without any release. Mario did exactly to expectations against Link in the next round. It was only Cloud he really owned. Master Chief on the other hand never showed signs of regressing at all last year, it wasn't a one match spike. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/12/2008 11:28:38 AM | message detail |
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All the Smash players don't know any better and assume that Big Boss is Snake will vote for him thusly. Would you take Big Boss over Yoshi? Sonic? Samus? Yes, there are a few idiots out there, but come on now. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:29:18 AM | message detail |
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While Chief is clearly stronger than he was in 2006, there's NO WAY he
is as strong as he was last year. If he beats Dante, I will be shocked. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/12/2008 11:29:52 AM | message detail |
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Would you take Big Boss over Yoshi? Sonic? Samus? Yes, there are a few idiots out there, but come on now. Based on this performance, were Big Boss to have this picture I would take him over Yoshi for sure. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, Steve! |
| Lopen | Posted 10/12/2008 11:30:02 AM | message detail |
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I'd take Big Boss over Yoshi right now if I was guaranteed he'd not get an old man pic. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/12/2008 11:30:10 AM | message detail |
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BB boost + pic factor is the most logical response. ... BB Vs. Master Chief. Who do you really think would win? If you believe in what you said and pick Chief, then do you think Chief will be able to beat Clou... Lopen, is that you? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:31:00 AM | message detail |
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BlAcK TuRtLe (#020) http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=45915471 back up your words --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/12/2008 11:31:29 AM | message detail |
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If Chief is now like a normal character, does he beat Sonic one-on-one?
How much less hated do you think he is now than he was 2 years ago?
Because we only need to go back 2 years to find evidence of Chief being
bad at 1v1 matches- we don't need to bring up stuff like his Felix
match in 2003. --- Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 70/88 --- T-258 (129 way) Bracket: Cloud > Midna --- Vote: Cloud |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:32:41 AM | message detail |
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He doesn't beat Noble 9ers in 1v1, but he's definently at the level of high mid carders like Dante and Auron. --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| Tohoya | Posted 10/12/2008 11:32:46 AM | message detail |
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BB Vs. Master Chief. Who do you really think would win? If you
believe in what you said and pick Chief, then do you think Chief will
be able to beat Clou... With this pic, it'd be damn close. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:32:47 AM | message detail |
| Like I said any other time somone offers an
account bet, there's no way I'm staking my 6 year old original account
against someone's 2 year old alt. Nobody around here seems to honour
their account bets anyways (lol extha/lady ashe/someone else I'm
forgetting) --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 10/12/2008 11:33:49 AM | message detail |
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While Chief is clearly stronger than he was in 2006, there's NO WAY
he is as strong as he was last year. If he beats Dante, I will be
shocked. Again, based on what? A character has never dropped to that degree after a release. You have no precedent for your case. I think you're underestimating just how badly Chief kicked Dante's ass. Is MichaelWClark your alt? He's the only other person I've seen this asinine argument from. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| vcharon | Posted 10/12/2008 11:34:04 AM | message detail |
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BB would take Yoshi to the cleaners with this pic or something like it.
Yoshi looked terrible in his match; he's not much above Kirby in my
mind. --- :> |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:34:36 AM | message detail |
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.He doesn't beat Noble 9ers in 1v1, but he's definently at the level of high mid carders like Dante and Auron Exactly. People say "Oh, he just does well in this format" and attribute that to his newfound strength, when in reality it's just this site getting a lot more casual and 360 oriented. That and the fact that he had Halo 3 mid-contest. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:36:09 AM | message detail |
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Again, based on what? A character has never dropped to that degree
after a release. You have no precedent for your case. I think you're
underestimating just how badly Chief kicked Dante's ass. I gave you 2 examples in Cloud and Mario. Want a third? Sub-Zero between 2006 and 2007 is probably the only other character that got a game release mid-contest like that. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/12/2008 11:39:26 AM | message detail |
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Gordon Freeman didn't drop after Orange Box. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| vcharon | Posted 10/12/2008 11:39:31 AM | message detail |
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Let's have fun instead! Lucas Tanner Axel Guybrush What is Guybrush's ceiling here? --- :> |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:40:07 AM | message detail |
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Guybrush puts up 45% --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| Lopen | Posted 10/12/2008 11:41:29 AM | message detail |
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Mario didn't drop though, he did exactly
as expected with relation to the field in 2003 with the exception of
that Cloud match, which was linked to and etc etc. Not to mention,
Cloud and Sephiroth were a lot weaker in 2002, as evidenced by Seph's near lost to Mega Man. You can't say they regressed in 2004. They were still obviously stronger then than they were in 2002... not to mention there are a ton of other factors that could've turned the tide back in Link's favor. Link boosting a bit (supported by his performance against the bracket), Link not getting the Wind Waker pic, and also random variation. Your examples aren't very good. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:41:42 AM | message detail |
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Gordon lost to Scorpion after coming close to Sub-Zero last year. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/12/2008 11:42:39 AM | message detail |
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About Cloud: Link 2004 looked flat-out more impressive than Link 2003:
67% on Megaman, 81% on Yoshi, 88% on Ganondorf vs. 62% on Samus, 65% on
Magus, 82% on Fox. There's no need for Cloud to drop there. --- Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 70/88 --- T-258 (129 way) Bracket: Cloud > Midna --- Vote: Cloud |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:42:51 AM | message detail |
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But Link had Wind Waker in 2003. By your logic, any big release is going to boost a character and they will never ever fall. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 10/12/2008 11:43:16 AM | message detail |
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Coming close = losing by 4%? It's highly agreed upon that Scorpion underperformed, if anything. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:44:04 AM | message detail |
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And what exactly did Link do to garner that boost in 2004? Wind Waker had time to "digest"? Master Chief > Link is painfully obvious now --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 10/12/2008 11:44:22 AM | message detail |
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And by your logic, the hype of Wind Waker would've died off and Link would've lost EVEN MORE in 2004. Whoops. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:45:45 AM | message detail |
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Yet it's obvious he didn't boost at all from Wind Waker, and probably
actually dropped a bit given how much it sucked. 2004 was the Wind
Waker de-boost wearing off. Dante > Chief confirmed. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/12/2008 11:45:49 AM | message detail |
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Now, if instead of pictures on the front page, she got a voice
snippet or something like that, I'd guarantee she would be as strong,
if not stronger then L-Block. Biggest exaggeration I've heard in a long time. I gave you 2 examples in Cloud and Mario. Want a third? Sub-Zero between 2006 and 2007 is probably the only other character that got a game release mid-contest like that. Cloud probably didn't decrease because KH caused a new influx of voters here; remember the sharp change in favor of Square in 2k3 compared to 2k2? Mario dropped off immediately after Mario/Cloud according to Mario/Crono in 2k2/2k3, and I would dare say SMS was more hyped here in 2k2 than Halo 3 last year. I maintain your idea of Sub-Zero beating MC because of an mid-contest release is silly since it was such a minor game...I mean, really, what MK game was it again? I've honestly forgotten. Compare THAT to SMS, KH, or Halo 3. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| Yesmar | Posted 10/12/2008 11:46:05 AM | message detail |
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And what exactly did Link do to garner that boost in 2004? Wind Waker had time to "digest"? He got a very popular trailer that ignited hype for TP, hype which even boosted Ganondorf as well. --- "Oh! Those no-good dirty rotten low-down yellow-bellied thievin' slime-sucking salamanders!!""--Diddy Kong |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/12/2008 11:46:30 AM | message detail |
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Coming close = losing by 4%? It's highly agreed upon that Scorpion underperformed, if anything. I could have sworn you said you would give Gordon his respect when you lost that bet. Scorpion didn't underperform in that match. Hell, in my opinion, Gordon underperformed there. I was expecting Gordon within 2000 votes, and he fell short of that. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/12/2008 11:47:17 AM | message detail |
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Biggest exaggeration I've heard in a long time. Yeah, I was kidding. It would be enough to beat Falco though. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2008 11:47:34 AM | message detail |
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And Mega Man/Seph 2002 was more Mega Man being strong than Seph being weak. Mega Man wound up third in the stats. --- I want adventure in the great wide somewhere... I want it more than I can tell! - Belle http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3949/beautyandthebeast21024uh9.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/12/2008 11:47:38 AM | message detail |
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And also, Link had a lot of reasons to boost that year: For Christmas
2003 Nintendo packaged the Zelda Collector's Edition with the Gamecube
and a price cut, allowing them to outsell the Xbox that year. Some 2
million or so copies of OOT, MM, Zelda 1, and Zelda 2, plus a GBA
release for LTTP ought to have helped Link out some. Then, in May of
2004, Nintendo unveiled Twilight Princess at E3. Even with the Nintendo
Boost over the next 2 years, Link only moved about 2% against Cloud-
compared to a shift of 3.5% or so from 2003 to 2004. --- Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 70/88 --- T-258 (129 way) Bracket: Cloud > Midna --- Vote: Cloud |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/12/2008 11:47:51 AM | message detail |
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Game Fuel for MC = Spinnach for Popeye --- Master Chief > Sonic ...... Believe http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
