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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 10:37:10 AM | message detail
Eh prolly Kefka again lol
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 10:43:58 AM | message detail
Sure Mewtwo looks decent here, but no way he's that strong. He's a mid-high midcarder at best.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3267
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2907

Mewtwo is easily doubling Ness right now while Kirby wasn't that close to doubling DK. DK > Ness is obvious at this point, but it's also worth noting that they both did comparably against Mario one-on-one before (DK with 18.02% during 2k2, Ness with 17.2% during 2k5)...

...I'd have to side with Kirby, but it would probably be close. I would be more interested in Mewtwo/Fox though!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/11/2008 10:44:46 AM | message detail
Whoa. Mewtwo is pretty legit.

And Ness blows.

Go Pac-Man.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/11/2008 10:45:34 AM | message detail
Mewtwo over 40... Pac-Man in second

this is great. I was like right about this one and stuff.
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 10:49:31 AM | message detail
but it's also worth noting that they both did comparably against Mario one-on-one before (DK with 18.02% during 2k2, Ness with 17.2% during 2k5)...

Ness fanboys never give up !!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 10:49:44 AM | message detail
Yeah, good call for the Pac backers here.

I missed Earthbound/Doom.
I missed Ness/Jak.
I missed Ness/CJ.
I missed Alucard/Liquid/Ness/Zidane (had Ness placing).
I missed Mewtwo/Ness/Pac-Man/Travis (had Ness placing).

I hate you so ****ing much, Ness. Why do people keep nominating this little turd?
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 10:51:22 AM | message detail
Ness/CJ is the only Ness match I've called wrong. Pretty solid record here...!
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 10:52:37 AM | message detail
Haha, I don't like him that much is the thing! I'm just trying to point out in the face of major SFF, I doubt DK does much better here...and Kirby/Mewtwo being close certainly feels close, so hey, lines up with me.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/11/2008 10:55:06 AM | message detail
The fact Ness looks so stupid, like a little kid who gets beat up alot doesnt help his case
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 10:55:21 AM | message detail
I got right:

Bowser > Ness
Doom > EB
Ness > Jak


I got wrong:
Ness > CJ
Alucard > Ness
Mewtwo > Ness



I had a hot-streak with him once!
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 10:56:27 AM | message detail
Personally I couldn't see DK having any trouble placing here. SFF or not it's Pac-Man. I think DK would old-school SFF him if nothing else.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/11/2008 10:57:11 AM | message detail
Yeah, I could see Pacman folding to DK quite easily.
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 10:58:26 AM | message detail
But even SFF not involved I think DK is clearly on top. Any SFF just makes it a beatdown.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/11/2008 11:00:10 AM | message detail
You mean the same DK who nearly beat out tails?
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 11:01:11 AM | message detail
Tails vs Ness is probably a really close match. I'd give the nod to Tails, even. So yeah, that DK.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 11:04:55 AM | message detail
I can see DK doing better both legitimately and being able to make Pac-Man fold some...but I'm not entirely sure it's enough at this point thoughl Pac is up on Ness by 7.5% right now. DK is no Mario, Yoshi, or Luigi, and it looks like we need big strong icons like that to crush Pac-Man. I don't think DK's iconic status is cared for so much like them and he's obviously weaker than them...plus, after the way he got killed by Tidus, I wonder how well this format really treats him anyway.
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 11:07:44 AM | message detail
Who says Pac needs bigtime gaming icons to need him fold? We've never seen him go against any that weren't bigtime. (Mewtwo SFFing Pac-Man was a ridiculous idea, he's not iconia)

DK beats Pac at least 60-40 1v1 methinks. I'd give him more, but to be fair to Pac he got 33% against Luigi, so folding more than that's probably a stretch.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/11/2008 11:35:47 AM | message detail
good to see mewtwo sucking so much

mewtwo = lucario confirmed

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 11:36:12 AM | message detail
I would think if you're going to SFF Pac-Man with icon-SFF, then bigger icons will SFF him more than lesser icons. Not that DK isn't iconic, but I feel like he's lost a lot of his iconic status. He's now making rhythm games when he's not "just another character" in many of Mario's spin-offs. Pac-Man runs almost solely off of his icon-status. DK can't compete with his-icon status against Pac-Man like Yoshi or Luigi can, and it doesn't help him that DK is not nearly as strong as either of them, too.

We've also seen DK doesn't hold up well to SFF, too; Mario's demolished DK, he couldn't beat Marth down too badly, and Kirby took him to town. Furthermore, the DKC series was destroyed in the 2D-platformer poll (to be fair, it was expected), DK64 was way between a SFF'd PD and Harvest Moon 64 in the VC-N64 poll, and Diddy Kong was embarrassed by Captain Falcon. Meanwhile, Mewtwo's showing he can handle SFF/LFF well again; he stood up to Bowser (though Toad was in the poll too) and he's easily doubling Ness. I don't know how well DK holds up there.

DK would be doing better than Ness legitimately and I can see DK hurting Pac-Man a bit, but I don't know if it would be enough to have Mewtwo > DK if DK replaced Ness.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 12:04:51 PM | message detail
I'll have a little bit of fun here:

Captain Falcon
Ike
Ness
Wario
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/11/2008 12:06:07 PM | message detail
Wario > Falcon

then i kill myself because such a match exists

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 12:06:52 PM | message detail
Ike>Falcon in a heartbeat. Maybe Ness places due to EB fans sticking with him while all the other SSB fans are split, but after today...

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 12:08:28 PM | message detail
I don't see how anyone could pick Wario. He's had the worst 1st-round performance out of the four. Including Ness.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 12:10:11 PM | message detail
For what it's worth:

--Ness and CF have both been in all the SSB games, but they don't have much else.
--Ike is a fave in SSBB, but he doesn't have much else.
--Wario may not be so favored in SSBB, but he has more outside of the SSB-series than the rest.

I dunno, it could be a fun match.
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BagFries | Posted 10/11/2008 12:11:02 PM | message detail
42.5% on the future contest champ is pretty god damn good

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transience | Posted 10/11/2008 12:29:39 PM | message detail
man, I thought Ness would get curbstomped by Mewtwo, but not this bad. for calling this match right I'm way off here today.
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vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 12:29:57 PM | message detail
Ike > Falcon in that proposed match... simply because Falcon looked good while Wario and Ness stunk. Ike has arguably a better fanbase to fall back on other than Brawl.

That, and he looks cool and not dumb like the others. Pic factor for sure.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 12:36:26 PM | message detail
Despite many of our expectations being wrong about Diddy and Mewtwo, I think what shocks me the most is that CF can use his SSB-power to crush Diddy Kong (who is decent in SSBB) yet Ness can't use his SSB-power to keep from being doubled by Mewtwo (who was terrible in SSBM).
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 12:38:06 PM | message detail
Ness isn't that popular in SSB though. More than Mewtwo, yeah, but neither want to rely on it when the going gets tough.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 12:55:54 PM | message detail
He was a favorite in SSB and there was a huge uproar when Lucas was first announced to be on the SSBB-roster since people thought Ness would be replaced, so I figured he still had a solid place in the fanbase...but I guess that doesn't apply much anymore.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 12:59:14 PM | message detail
Ness is my bishy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 1:02:23 PM | message detail
With how Mewtwo fared against Bowser last year, Mewtwo vs. Kirby has to be debatable.

And Kirby did even better against Bowser than Mewtwo did, recall. Besides, you're looking at a Bowser who's being hindered by Toad anyway. If anything, I'd commend Mewtwo on his ability to resist LFF from Bowser, but that's it.

Mewtwo is easily doubling Ness right now while Kirby wasn't that close to doubling DK.

As bad as DK is at resisting SFF, at this point, I'd have to say Ness is worse. We don't know how bad the SFF is in either situation. Comparing SFF matches is always bad news, yo.

As for the proposed fourpack, gimme...Not Ness is all I know. Uhhh...Ike > Wario? Ike got close enough to Pikachu to give me some semi-confidence in him, and Wario beat Falcon last year, so...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2008 1:03:09 PM | message detail
I've called all the Ness matches correctly since 2005. No idea what I had in 2004 or the games. And the fact that the board constantly gets burned by Ness matches is great for me.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 1:04:02 PM | message detail
Oh, and give Pac-Man some credit. He's a decent low-midcarder. The guy nearly beat Kefka and did beat Ocelot.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 1:04:12 PM | message detail
I don't even know why Ness makes these things year after year. He sucks.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2008 1:04:40 PM | message detail
If you take 5% from Travis and give it to Ness, then this is basically my Oracle pick
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transience | Posted 10/11/2008 1:05:17 PM | message detail
I had Doom without thinking, but all the rest of em I missed. I called Ness losing last year, but still got it wrong.
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ZFS | Posted 10/11/2008 1:05:59 PM | message detail
This is the first Ness match I've gotten wrong so far woo damn you pokemon

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 1:09:54 PM | message detail
I'm confident that Pacman was second in the majority of brackets, due to name recognition
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 1:12:12 PM | message detail
Pac-Man might compete with Mewtwo for bracket-support.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 1:16:11 PM | message detail
Master Chief - 54%
Raiden - 22%
Kain - 18%
Layton - 6%
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Ngamer64 | Posted 10/11/2008 1:53:22 PM | message detail
Let me see how I've done with Ness:

Bowser > Ness - got it
Doom > Earthbound - got it
Ness > Jak - got it
Ness > CJ - missed it!
Alucard/Lake > Ness - missed it!

Aww, was doing really well for a while there. At least today's result puts me back on track!

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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 2:00:22 PM | message detail
After seeing Cecil, no way does Kain come at all close to Raiden. FFIV characters suck too much.

Well, Rydia will probably do respectably just because she's friggin hot. Hell, I'm voting for her because of it. (Well I like the character too but normally I'd vote Sub-Zero there.)
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/11/2008 2:09:19 PM | message detail
Here's some more fun:

Fox
Mewtwo
Vivi
Yuna
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BagFries | Posted 10/11/2008 2:10:07 PM | message detail
without any thought behind it

Yuna > Mewtwo

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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 2:22:23 PM | message detail
If Vivi can SFF Tidus down, no chance Yuna gets out of there in any position higher than 2nd.

Goin with Mewtwo > Vivi, though. I'd take Vivi 1v1 but I think Yuna hurts him more than Fox hurts Mewtwo.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/11/2008 3:19:26 PM | message detail
Fox > Vivi

Fox has much more going for him than Mewtwo does. He's been around longer, he's in all three SSB games and he's pretty good in all of them as well, he has more games to his credit, etc.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/11/2008 3:57:54 PM | message detail
Vivi > Fox
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 4:10:23 PM | message detail
Mewtwo>Vivi

Tough one.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/11/2008 4:11:02 PM | message detail
Fox > Vivi
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