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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/11/2008 3:16:58 AM | message detail
I'm pleased to see Travis doing fairly well. BUT HE SHOULD BE WINNING.

But man, I can't believe this match was ever in dispute. I don't want to sound arrogant, but Mewtwo>Pac-Man was really, really obvious. Mewtwo's shown to be good with SFFwith Bowser, and Ness really only has Smash. Hell, even Travis may be sucking up some cult votes from him.

In other news, does this make Mewtwo a top 20 contender? Top 25?
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/11/2008 3:19:46 AM | message detail
Kiddies.

They should wake up now.
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vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 3:31:29 AM | message detail
Top 20 for Mewtwo is really pushing it. Ness is just clearly weaker, like many Brawl characters have been. Travis is also taking up a lot more of the percentage than most probably thought he would. It's hard to judge what his day vote will be as well.

Top 25... perhaps. It's hard to say what the top 25 really is, if you want to include joke characters, the only one that can be there in L-Block because Cube hasn't proven to be that powerful (even though I sadly thing it is) and Sandbag's match hasn't even happened yet (but again, I think it sadly is as well).
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jonthomson | Posted 10/11/2008 5:20:20 AM | message detail
This contest has lost all credibility
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/11/2008 5:32:52 AM | message detail
Hmmm Mewtwo as one of the top 25 characters.... Nah I think all these characters would beat him.

1: Zack
2: Link
3: Cloud
4: Sephiroth
5: Mario
6: Samus
7: Snake
8: Sonic
9: Mega Man
10: Crono
11: L-Block
12: Squall
13: Vincent
14: Tifa
15: Ganondorf
16: Auron
17: Ryu
18: Bowser
19: Yoshi
20: Dante
21: Zelda
22: Sora
23: Kirby
24: Zero
25: Kratos/Knuckles

Now I bet a lot of you will say: Hey Zylo you forgot Masterchief, and yes I'm sure that I forgot someone, but no way that the character who lost to Sub-Zero in a 1 on 1 wins over Mewtwo.
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vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 5:36:27 AM | message detail
Don't agree with a couple on this list.

And obviously you forgot X.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/11/2008 5:40:09 AM | message detail
Yeah I totally forgot about X.

And it's possible that I underestimate Mewtwo here, because I really don't like him considering how über he was in Red/Blue.

Just curious, which characters on my list wouldn't you pick to win over Mewtwo?
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YoboD | Posted 10/11/2008 5:45:21 AM | message detail
List needs Luigi.
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vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 5:54:27 AM | message detail
Zero is very questionable now after his performance. Knuckles and Kratos would without doubt lose to Luigi. I could see Mewtwo beating Knuckles himself. I question Zelda as well, but maybe I shouldn't.

To be clear, I never said for sure that Mewtwo should be in the top 25, but I was merely saying that a few of the ones you listed probably should be either.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/11/2008 6:06:46 AM | message detail
I thought that I had Luigi there, the reason why I put both Kirby and Zero there was because they did a good job against Luigi.
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Japago | Posted 10/11/2008 6:07:57 AM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/11/2008 6:10:02 AM | message detail
Wow, are we really doing all this speculation about Mewtwo based on him fodderizing Ness, Pac, and Travis Touchdown? The fact that Travis is over 15% should tell you how weak this pack is, but I guess if you want to.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/11/2008 6:19:56 AM | message detail

Zylo the wolf (#355)
Now I bet a lot of you will say: Hey Zylo you forgot Masterchief, and yes I'm sure that I forgot someone, but no way that the character who lost to Sub-Zero in a 1 on 1 wins over Mewtwo.



Yet you have L-Block on that list, and it still remains to be seen what it can do when it needs to grab 50% of the vote to win.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 6:40:51 AM | message detail
Or Travis is, ya know, stronger than we expected.

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Japago | Posted 10/11/2008 6:52:07 AM | message detail
I think Leon would beat him as well.

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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/11/2008 7:15:38 AM | message detail
uhh smurf he's performing alot better then expected, be happy he's not bottom of the barrel fodder like he coulda been

Not what I expected. He's a genuinely excellent character on the most widely owned console on the site, I was expecting a bit more from him. It's not bad like you said for his first year but here's hoping he doesn't something more next time.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/11/2008 7:47:29 AM | message detail
Or Travis is, ya know, stronger than we expected.

There's a limit to how strong you can reasonably expect Travis to be.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/11/2008 7:50:41 AM | message detail
Kratos is his ceiling I'd say. What the hell were you expecting from him, a Tim job? Travis is a sublime character, I'm a firm believer that you could not have played NMH and not have voted for him today without having some sort of mental defect.

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vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 7:52:59 AM | message detail
From: Smurf FAQs | Posted: 10/11/2008 10:50:41 AM | Message Detail
Kratos is his ceiling I'd say. What the hell were you expecting from him, a Tim job? Travis is a sublime character, I'm a firm believer that you could not have played NMH and not have voted for him today without having some sort of mental defect.



I'm inclined to agree with this, even without having played his game... certainly he has to have a lot more personality than these other three combined, who have very scarce amounts of it. I would have voted for TT, but I bracket voted for Pac-Man.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 8:02:34 AM | message detail
Hey guys, if you switch the percentages for Ness and Pac-Man, I pretty much called this match perfectly.

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vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 8:11:03 AM | message detail
Hail, Fail... it all sounds the same!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 8:13:58 AM | message detail
Heck yeah it does.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:49:23 AM | message detail
woooo Travis near 15%, him not flopping is like the best thing to happen in this contest so far. so awesome

and man, Mewtwo crushed Ness way harder than I expected. oh well, mewtwo looks good here, and even though he just seems to be beating down low-midcarders/high-fodder, I think some of this is pretty legit (a la Fox). He'll probably look pretty decent next round as well.
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creativename | Posted 10/11/2008 9:12:21 AM | message detail
Hard to believe that some people are still trying to discredit Mewtwo after his utter ass-whooping today, and his very impressive performance last year. He's a force.

I'm pretty confident Mewtwo>Fox and fairly confident Mewtwo>Knuckles 1-on-1 (Knuckles probably isn't what he used to be).

23: Kirby
24: Zero
25: Kratos/Knuckles


Mewtwo vs. Kirby I think is pretty debatable too. But you can't put Kratos below Kirby IMO. Kratos is above Kirby.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/11/2008 9:23:32 AM | message detail
Kratos is a character I will never ever give any credit! I hate just about everything about him.
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chaosarcher07 | Posted 10/11/2008 9:31:04 AM | message detail
I'm liking my Mewtwo to the quarterfinals pick more and more as the day goes on, especially after seeing Yoshi get rocked by Squall.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/11/2008 9:32:22 AM | message detail
Yeah Mewtwo wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 9:35:30 AM | message detail
Mewtwo vs Kirby is debatable!?

Come on now. Kirby's still quite strong, and he'll prove it tomorrow. The lack in faith in Kirby is disturbing.
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 10/11/2008 9:37:47 AM | message detail
Brawl de-boost Lopen.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 9:38:26 AM | message detail
and this is, I believe, the first time I've ever called a Ness match right.

I called it right last year! Well, I called Ness not advancing right, at least! Had Alucard > Liquid.

Mewtwo vs. Kirby I think is pretty debatable too. But you can't put Kratos below Kirby IMO. Kratos is above Kirby.

I disagree on both counts. I think people are selling Kirby short because of last contest. He got L-Block/DK LFF'd last year. You can't hold that against him. And if you put Kratos above Kirby, you have to give him a great shot at beating Luigi (which isn't happening, by the way).
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 9:38:36 AM | message detail
Kirby's still quite strong, and he'll prove it tomorrow. The lack in faith in Kirby is disturbing.

*points*
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 9:39:11 AM | message detail
And Kirby will do fine tomorrow because he doesn't have his Brawl pic! That's why Ness is losing today!

Go Pac-Man!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 9:42:53 AM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Axel | Cloud | Midna | Edgeworth
PHV | 7.40% | 55.01% | 22.19% | 15.40% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 6.50% | 58.88% | 19.89% | 14.74% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 7.53% | 59.34% | 20.57% | 12.57% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 7.49% | 60.97% | 20.11% | 11.44% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 8.23% | 60.28% | 20.51% | 10.97% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 7.64% | 63.72% | 18.86% | 9.79% | (22:00-24:00)

Cloud and Edgey do the exact opposite, trendwise. Cloud with the bad Power Hour, and then skyrockets his way through the rest of the match. If it weren't for that first hour, Cloud would've gotten 60% easily. Bad last two hours for Edgey though. Midna has typical Nintendo trends, strong Power Hour, bad night votes, good day vote.

Yesterday's stats:

Cloud Strife – 50.00%
Midna – 25.41%
Miles Edgeworth – 17.03%
Axel Steel – 11.22%
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2008 9:44:15 AM | message detail
Mewtwo - 29876 - 50.00%
Pac-Man - 18521 - 38.27%
Ness - 12911 - 30.18%
Travis - 10626 - 26.24%

Pac-Man - 18521 - 50.00%
Ness - 12911 - 41.08%
Travis - 10626 - 36.46%

Ness - 12911 - 50.00%
Travis - 10626 - 45.15%


I'm pretty sure that Ness is getting SFF here.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 9:44:27 AM | message detail
And while Travis is impressing me, I'm more surprised with how badly Ness is sucking. I guess I shouldn't be considering his history with Nintendo SFF, but still, Travis came within 1.5% of him during the early morning vote.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2008 9:50:02 AM | message detail
For the record, Mewtwo is getting 61.72% on Pac-Man right now, which is pretty good, I guess. Depends on whether or not you think Ness is hindering him at all.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2008 9:53:59 AM | message detail
People are debating things like Mewtwo/Kirby and Mewtwo/Zero?

Sure Mewtwo looks decent here, but no way he's that strong. He's a mid-high midcarder at best.
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Guess how many teens | Posted 10/11/2008 9:56:46 AM | message detail
Should've known that today wasn't going to go Mewtwo>ness, I never get a perfect division in this format :(.
Still I'm in top 2 percentile somehow :P.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/11/2008 10:05:16 AM | message detail
Um.... What happened ? I went to bed at 4 am with PAcman not even over Ness by 5%, now he's over him by 8%? Shouldn't Pacman be slowing down at this time?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/11/2008 10:08:13 AM | message detail
And also, why is Smurf saying Kratos is Travis' ceiling? Kratos is from a series thats sold over 10 million copies, and Travis' game has sold 300k...
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2008 10:09:09 AM | message detail
Pac-Man has a much stronger morning vote than night vote, the only reason he did so well at night was because his opponents were terrible at night.
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creativename | Posted 10/11/2008 10:16:37 AM | message detail
With how Mewtwo fared against Bowser last year, Mewtwo vs. Kirby has to be debatable. You really think Kirby would've done much better there? I didn't say Mewtwo should necessarily be the favorite, but there has to be some debate there.


And also, why is Smurf saying Kratos is Travis' ceiling? Kratos is from a series thats sold over 10 million copies, and Travis' game has sold 300k...

Wrong Kratos, I believe.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 10:18:35 AM | message detail
Wrong Kratos, I believe.

I hope its ToS Kratos and not GoW Kratos >_> But Smurf is quite ignorant sometimes.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/11/2008 10:21:04 AM | message detail
Travis is around 14.80 in BL* my calculations were correct, so he's still not that good. Better than I thought he'd be, but understandable, especially when taking into account how photogenic he is.


*Assuming that Pac-Man is 20 on BL.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 10:22:12 AM | message detail
14.8... so if he was facing real competition, he may be under 12% right now
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/11/2008 10:25:24 AM | message detail
With how Mewtwo fared against Bowser last year, Mewtwo vs. Kirby has to be debatable. You really think Kirby would've done much better there? I didn't say Mewtwo should necessarily be the favorite, but there has to be some debate there.

Umm....Kirby DID do better against Bowser.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 10:26:27 AM | message detail
Why are we even debating these two? Its not like Kirby and Mewtwo are gonna face.
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Lopen | Posted 10/11/2008 10:32:53 AM | message detail
I think 20 is low for Pac-Man. Stop underrating the guy, people. Pac gets the job done when he needs to.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 10:34:37 AM | message detail
Pacman just has non loyal fans at best. He'll do fine when he's against no names. Put another classic gaming character in there and he folds.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/11/2008 10:36:26 AM | message detail
Pac-Man vs Lettuce Kefka in a rematch, who ya got?
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