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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 4:47:08 PM | message detail
Yeesh, slow day. I'm tempted to bring up a theory I've been thinking up...problem it's, it's a theory about ZACK FAIR and I think we've had enough of him already.

So. Is Big Boss the favorite yet, or what?

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2008 4:56:14 PM | message detail
Big Boss will do decent, but I don't see Kirby having much of a problem.

Anyone think both Lucas and Jinjo will fail to break 10%?
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/11/2008 4:56:45 PM | message detail
Nah, they'll both break 10% but Lucas just barely, and Jinjo around 15%
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Today: Mewtwo > Pac-Man | Tomorrow: Kirby > Big Boss
Karma Hunter | Posted 10/11/2008 4:57:29 PM | message detail
Big Boss will do decent, but I don't see Kirby having much of a problem.

Anyone think both Lucas and Jinjo will fail to break 10%?


Yeah, I guess if you believe the latter statement here the former naturally follows.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/11/2008 4:59:47 PM | message detail
I don't think Lucas can get 10%. Literally all he has going for him is Brawl, and Brawl doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot for anyone... and of course Kirby has Brawl too and thus will be stealing a lot of Lucas's Brawl vote... which is his only vote so... uh... Lucas is going to suck.

Jinjo should be able to pull off > 10, though.


Oh and for that other thing, Fox > Vivi. I think Fox and Mewtwo are probably around the same level, but Fox would edge him out... and Vivi seems right for beating Yuna... I dunno.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2008 5:02:59 PM | message detail
Nah, they'll both break 10% but Lucas just barely, and Jinjo around 15%

Lucas has a Japan only release, Brawl and a character who's more favoured in Brawl. Jinjo has a joke that no one outside of GameFAQs knows about and is from a game that nobody cares about. I'm pretty sure that at least one of them fails to get 10%
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llrocksrikku2 | Posted 10/11/2008 5:04:27 PM | message detail
But nobody expects...oh forget it.
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creativename | Posted 10/11/2008 5:29:24 PM | message detail
Umm....Kirby DID do better against Bowser.

Something I was well aware of as I was writing that, which was largely the point, if you read what I said.

First off, that was 3 years ago. But really, there's not much difference between losing to Bowser by 3.67 vs. losing to him by 2 points or whatever, adjusting to 4-way from his Kirby 1-on-1 (though Toad likely underpowered Bowser in the Mewtwo match). But, one could make the argument that Kirby overperformed/rSFFed Bowser (a dubious statement, but not entirely out of the question).

Which means this comes down to how the preference of their highly overlapping fanbases in the end anyway. While Kirby doing well on Bowser would indicate he's high on the food chain, he isn't as relevant now as before. And while you'd think the same exact thing would hold for Pokemon, it's clear that Pokemon are as strong as ever, perhaps stronger.

Kirby doing good with SFF in the past bodes well for him, but I'd still lean towards the fanbase going with the more badass Mewtwo - wouldn't have too much confidence in that though.

Given their relative closeness and how unpredictable these contests can be with close-strength characters - especially when SFF is involved - to say that Mewtwo vs. Kirby is not debatable is, to be frank, absurd.
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creativename | Posted 10/11/2008 5:30:57 PM | message detail
Fox
Mewtwo
Vivi
Yuna


Vivi>Mewtwo or Mewtwo>Vivi. Comes down to whether Fox hurts Mewtwo more or Yuna hurts Vivi more, which is nigh impossible to know.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 5:31:57 PM | message detail
Big Boss > Kirby tomorrow, but mid 30s
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ffmasterjose | Posted 10/11/2008 5:39:07 PM | message detail
Kirby's not facing Big Boss, he's up against Solid Snake 2.0 :(

I should've submitted MGS1 artwork for the lols.
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creativename | Posted 10/11/2008 5:40:57 PM | message detail
Really unpredictable match tomorrow, mostly due to Big Boss' innate variability. Much like the NFL had "good Rex, bad Rex", there's "good Big Boss, bad Big Boss".

Plus there's possible Lucas/Kirby overlap, but Lucas should be so weak that it shouldn't matter too much. And that would likely just be SFF all towards Kirby rather than LFF anyway.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 6:06:46 PM | message detail
There should be a fanbase overlap with Jinjo as well. I understand that he will (or should, I'm not really sure since I don't know anything about Jinjo) get more of his votes from joke lovers than he will from Banjo fans, but he's still very similar in terms of design and appeal. I mean, just look:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/cb7/cb7-25.jpg

Not only does Boss look amazing, but he stands out like Pikachu in a sea of Silent Hill characters. The colors, the background - everything is in Boss's favor here. This is the absolute best case scenario he could have hoped for, and I think he'll take advantage with a great performance. The only thing putting a damper in my spirits is the extent at which Ness is bombing.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/11/2008 6:12:49 PM | message detail
Big Boss doesn't stand out at all. You can't even see him because all the other characters are blindingly bright.

And I dunno about Jinjo getting much in the way of joke votes. I think the Jinjo joke is pretty isolated to these board... I don't think it's like a 4chan fad or anything. And Jinjo isn't inanimate, so he won't get joke votes from people who've never heard of him... Jinjo's probably going to be riding on Banjo-Kazooie votes.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 6:24:06 PM | message detail
I've seen Jinjo on other sites, so it isn't just a GameFAQs thing.

Still, it's not that big of a internet fad, and it also isn't a "block" or "cube" or "bag". It's a legit character that will get strength based off joke votes, and while that works for Mudkip, I don't see it working for Jinjo.

I foresee him and Lucas looking really bad tomorrow.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 6:52:44 PM | message detail
Jinjo is on MANY message boards. Not only here
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/11/2008 6:53:49 PM | message detail
Big Boss > Kirby lock it up

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:27:52 PM | message detail
Division 7: Round 1 - Match 25 – Big Boss vs. Jinjo vs. Kirby vs. Lucas

Moltar’s Analysis

Big Boss
Game/Series Known From: Metal Gear Solid
2007 Results: 2nd Place in Round 1 vs. Mario, Pac-Man and Wander
2nd Place in Round 2 vs. Mario, Magus and Phoenix
3rd Place in Round 3 vs. Sephiroth, Mario and Fox

A Naked Snake pic gives him +10 popularity

Jinjo
Game/Series Known From: Banjo-Kazooie
2007 Results: N/A

Well…I can’t say I expected this.

Kirby
Game/Series Known From: Kirby
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1vs. L-Block, Laharl and Nathan Hale
3rd Place in Round 2vs. Kratos, L-Block and Donkey Kong

Brawl Character #25, Big Boss made it farther than Kirby. darn that block

Lucas
Game/Series Known From: Mother 3
2007 Results: N/A

Brawl Character #26, we’re running out of them!

Well, this is an easy one. Jinjo may have had a chance in some complete loser fourpack since his fad semi-popular. However, it’s no “L” or “Cube”. Therefore he isn’t doing anything here with Kirby, a popular Nintendo character, Big Boss, a favorite of the Metal Gear franchise, and Lucas, with the hardcore Mother vote. Then again, JokeFAQs can always prove me wrong.

Back to Lucas, third is the best he can hope for. With Mother 3 not even being released here, and Kirby to take a chunk of that Smash vote, Lucas doesn’t have a lot to draw from. Even Ness, who is currently dying against Mewtwo and Pac-Man, would stand a low chance of advancing here, and Lucas is definitely going to be much weaker.

So Kirby takes first because he’s the strongest character by a good bit. Big Boss take second, but it’s hard to say how he does since the pic factor actually can be applied for him.

Oh wait, the pic is up?

*checks*

oh boy naked snake here to make things interesting

We saw “Naked Snake” Big Boss in action a couple times before, and BB always performs better with the BB pic. So he’ll probably do the same here, but I don’t think he’ll beat out Kirby, even with the MGS4-boost he’s likely to get. They’re just too far apart enough already, and while the gap will be close, I think Kirby has got this. Show them Nintendo is still worth something, Kirby!

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Kirby > Big Boss

Moltar’s Prediction is: Kirby: 41% - Big Boss: 38% - Lucas: 11% - Jinjo: 10%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Normally I'd make this my longest analysis of the contest, but this is late (woo Brawl) and I don't want to be holdin' things up, so this is more a summary than anything. This match is all about Big Boss vs. Kirby. This has always been a great upset pick in my mind -- Metal Gear should be stronger than ever and it's a match full of Nintendo characters. Boss stands out in a big way here, but being the "unique" character isn't all he needs to win here.

What makes Big Boss a good pick in this match is his picture -- Naked Snake. Last year, he put on a show in round 2 by not only beating out Magus for second place, but doing so handily. It wasn't even close. He even outdid his percentage from round 1 against much stiffer competition (about 25%), all in large part thanks to him getting a pic from Portable Ops as opposed to the "unrecognizable" MGS1 artwork.

And as luck would have it -- with users creating the pics this year the whole way -- he netted his Naked Snake pic in round 1. We're going to get to see just how much it's worth today. You combine the pic (worth 25% against Mario/Magus/Phoenix Wright), a seemingly weakened Nintendo, and opponents that are all vying for votes from the same fanbase and this match is Boss's. If Liquid was any indication, we're going to see some good things today.

plus it was my big boss pic that got selected clearly this is a sign

p.s. -- vote for big boss
Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:28:10 PM | message detail
Prediction: Big Boss - 40% ; Kirby - 35% ; Jinjo - 15% ; Lucas - 10%
Bracket: Kirby > Big Boss
Vote: Big Boss



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Of the eight remaining first round matches, this is probably the second biggest (the first obviously being Sandbag's introduction). Along with the fourpack that damn Hogger's in, this is the only other non-Sandy match with realistic upset potential. The two winners couldn't be more clear, but their order is up in the air.

Our competitors are Big Boss (Metal Gear series), Kirby, Jinjo (Banjo series), and Lucas (Mother 3, Brawl). Kirby and Boss are the obvious movers and shakers, and for most people, Kirby is still the significant favorite to win. I, however, took the Big Boss risk, and after what we've seen over the past few weeks, I'm feeling a lot more confident than I thought I would. Before we get into the two real fighters, though, let's get the trash out of the way.

Lucas and Jinjo will be weak as piss; there is no one doubting this (yeah, that rhymed, but don't expect me to go all Disney now!). Lucas, for all intents and purposes, is exclusive to Brawl, the contest leviathan that has so far proven to be a contest leviath-NON. His only other game, Mother 3, never made it to the States, so this dweeby Ness lookalike will be running on Smash-grade petroleum more than anyone we've ever seen. Of course, he won't be mustering much percentage with Kirby in the poll.

The other weakling, Jinjo, is (from what I've been told) exclusive to the Banjo series. What sets this guy apart is that he wasn't nominated as a legit entry, but as a joke character. Apparently, Jinjo is a popular little joke among many message board communities. Now, while his joke support may be relatively neutral in terms of who it damages (although I still think Kirby will get the worst of it because Boss's fans are just that hardcore), he'll still get a smidgen of Banjo support, and his cutesy design and look sets him squarely in the Nintendo camp on this one. Like Lucas, however, he'll also be pretty awful.

So, what does this mean for Kirby? It means that these two chumps will be scrounging whatever meager percentage points they can almost exclusively from him. Jinjo will be taking most of his votes from Kirby. Lucas will be taking ALL of his votes from Kirby. This is the dreaded triple fanbase split (or, as I like to call it, the kiss of death) that spelled Bowser's doom last year. Granted, Bowser had to deal with a much worse split last year, but no one said Big Boss had to win this by 8% like Ryu did last year. In Kirby's defense, I very much doubt he'll make it easy for ol' Nakey Snakey. Kirby is still intrinsically stronger and will pound his Nintendo underlings pretty good, but the fact remains that they'll be hurting him assloads more.

Consider the following scenario as an example. Let's assume that Lucas and Jinjo will be gaining 100% of their support at Kirby's expense (ridiculous, I know, but let's just go with it for the sake of nice numbers). Now, if they only manage a pathetic 20% between them, then a 60/40 match between Kirby and Boss suddenly turns into a 40/40 dead heat. Of course, Big Boss has to hold up his end of the bargain and score in the very high 30s if he wants to win this thing. Do I think he has the strength?

Hell. ****ing. Yes.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:28:54 PM | message detail
Big Boss is a unique character. He is unique in that no other character's strength is likely to vary with a picture as much as his. If he gets his old man picture (just ugly old man MGS art), he does poorly. If he gets his Naked Snake picture (wherein he looks exactly like Snake and hell maybe even more badass EYEPATCH), he excels. This theory had been speculated for a long while, but Boss finally confirmed it last year. He went from 28.5% on Auron with his bad picture to 25% on Mario, Magus, and Phoenix Wright with a Naked Snake pic. The variance is extraordinary. And thus begs the question... which picture did he receive today? Was he cursed or blessed?

Oh come on we all know the answer but I gotta parade it around anyway:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/cb7/cb7-25.jpg

Look at that picture. Look at that man. That absolutely crushes anything Solid Snake has gotten in the first round. Hell, that's gotta be one of the best Round 1 pictures ever. He's... he's ****ing pointing at us (at YOU). Are you kidding me? I can't look at that picture, stare at that man, look at his three opponents, and imagine that man losing. I just can't do it. Naked Snake has it all going for him here. He's got one of the greatest picture advantages I've ever seen. He has a triple fanbase split working in his favor. He has Nintendo performing rather dryly so far, and he has Liquid Snake's awesome performance earlier in the round. Go on, Snake. Make this one to remember.

Through the night, to the day
When everything is gone
Carry the soul away from the dryness

In the sun we see, fighting over lives
All our dreams and wishes
We send home for safe keeping
Fighting for what's right

Calling to the night, to dream
Forgain in the light
Waiting for a storm to rise
Feel the isolation fleeting
Calling to the night, to be, or not to be fighting here
Leaving without you, leaving my soul behind
Calling to the night, corners of golden crown fade with time

Calling to the night, for us, for every single life
All the ashes of men remain as a perfect memory
Calling to the night

But the heart will remain, as a silhouette of time
Hear the ringing echoes in the splitting horizon
Calling to the night


Big Boss - 40%
Jinjo - 12%
Kirby - 36%
Lucas - 12%



Lopen’s Analysis

Dude, I just realized. Bulbous head and his brother are going out back to back! Hell yeah. Word to your Mother. Anyway. Lucas is going to be total garbage, looking at how Brawl has been this year, and how vicious Kirby is with the SFF. Meanwhile NOBODY EXPECTS-- Jinjo to break 10%? Yeah. I don't know... I don't think this joke is big enough to do anything other than maybe make him look better than Banjo. If it were, though, it'd be pretty damn sad. I hate this thing worse than L-Block... it represents everything that I hate about Banjo Kazooie. Collect 19 JUMBLEDIDOODINGS, now 43 DUMBLEDELUMBLEFUMPS... and a GOLDEN SNUFFLEOPAMGUMP.

What was I talking about? Oh, Big Boss vs Kirby. Well, I think Kirby is being underestimated by the board. Or maybe Big Boss is being overestimated.. or Lucas's ability to hurt Kirby? I really doubt Kirby cares about Lucas there. And Big Boss... while his match sporting the naked Snake getup last year was no doubt impressive, I have my doubts whether his strength really has that "higher bound" I like to talk about so much. Basically what I'm saying is, I think he looked better because a juggernaut was around.

Kirby shouldn't have trouble winning here. And while next round might be some cause for concern with MC soaking the casual vote... Big Boss will unfortunately be holding Raiden back, so there'll be no hope upset. Oh-- haha-- you think Big Boss is the one to look out for next round? Forget it!

Lopen's prediction
Kirby – 44.89%
Big Boss – 37.02%
Jinjo – 9.38%
Lucas – 8.71%
Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:29:14 PM | message detail
Transience’s Analysis

Naked Snake! this match got a lot more interesting. you can argue that we're looking at an entirely different character when Naked Snake shows up. given that Naked Snake looked like the second strongest MGS character last year, and given that Liquid Snake did really well vs. Luigi, who's beaten Kirby in the past, and given that Lucas is there to hold Kirby back somewhat, AND given that Nintendo's looked bad this year, isn't it a good idea to abandon ship and just pick Big Boss?

yeah, probably, and I bet the Crew does that en masse. I'm gonna stick with Kirby though. he's stronger than Magus by a good margin, the guy who flopped against Big Boss last year. I'm always skeptical about a picture doing THAT much difference, though if there was one to make a difference this would be it. it's difficult to argue this match because, really, who knows. I think it'll be close, but I like the character with actual strength instead of a match picture marvel. if Big Boss wins this with ease, all debate is over. (or at least until we see him flop with another picture -- damn you mgs4 boost)

oh hey, Jinjo's apparently in this match. good to know, I guess.

stupid Snake pictures
sprites, different Snakes, who knows
what you're gonna get

transience's prediction: Kirby with 39.55%, Big Boss with 39.45%, Lucas with 11.55%, Jinjo with 9.45%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Wow, awesome showing from Mewtwo in this one. As I said in my writeup I wasn't really seeing where any of the other three would be able to hold him back, so in retrospect I'm not sure why I didn't pick him for a little higher... too much Ness faith I suppose. This sets up a really cool grouping for R2- where is Midna going to fall in relation to a Pac-Man who should once again be running unhindered by icon SFF? Who wins the ASV between Mewtwo and Cloud? (Well Cloud still WINS during that time obviously, but I could see Mew having the Pokemon Power to make it his best time.) And given his horrible starting power, might we even see Mewtwo in the lead for a couple updates? Ha, now that would be funny! Of course the even bigger point is that now Mewtwo's set himself up beautifully for a run all the way through this division- if it's Squall and Sora advancing out of the top half you might as well make him a lock, but even if Yoshi gets into the group instead, who's to say the dino would be assured the heads up win between these two, given what we've seen the last three days?

Should be fun to watch, but I'm equally excited about today's battle, so let's jump right in!

Last Known Values:
Big Boss - 16.22% (2007)
Kirby - 22.67% (2007)
Lucas - new
Jinjo - new

To me the most shocking stat relating to this match is that only 17 Gurus picked Big Boss for first place. That's less than 8% of the field willing to go out on a limb and select a guy who we knew (post-user pic creation announcement, that is) was going to get an awesome pic advantage to defeat a character who would be facing double Nintendo LFF. The same character who got owned handily by Kratos last season, when having to deal with only single Nintendo LFF. I mean I'll give Kirby something of a break for the whole L-Block thing being unfortunate, but even so, he didn't even manage 45% of the vote directly against Kratos in a match most of us had been expecting to be neck and neck. And given Donkey Kong's embarrassingly enormous flop the other day, recent results haven't done much to increase Kirby's stock around these parts. We've seen what even a not exactly well-loved character like Pac-Man can do when he gets to stand out against three Nintendo opponents- given all these trends, and with Big Boss looking like that in the pic, I've got to feel that the ball is in his court for this match.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:29:56 PM | message detail
Now that being said, I've got to admit that I give Kirby a much better chance at the win than I did about 48 hours ago. See, the last time BB scored this pic he earned 25% of the vote against Mario, Magus, and Phoenix Wright; obviously much stiffer competition than he'll be facing tonight, so he would seem to be a lock for a take in the low 30s. Trouble is, Ness has disappointed me so much today that I'm no longer so sure that Lucas is going to be able to hold Kirby back whatsoever! I mean, going from Ness to Lucas you lose Melee, you lose SSB... you even lose an Earthbound that has actually been released in this country for heaven's sake! If Mewtwo can score 70% on Ness directly as he's doing today, I see no reason why Kirby wouldn't put up 75% on Lucas... and that could spell serious trouble for Snake-lite.

The other thing that has shaken my confidence is Jinjo's picture. A green Jinjo, on a green background, right-side up? Noooooo! I was counting on Zen's upside down picture to get the go ahead in this one, which would have screamed "hey casuals look, this here's a joke character!" Can't guarantee that would have turned him into a joke powerhouse or anything, but eh, I'd have liked his chances much better if he could have grabbed people's attention like that. As is, I can't see the Jinjo meme being worth enough to keep him too far above Lucas. We're likely in for a highly pathetic 3rd place, 15-10%ish rumble to avoid the basement in this one. And again, all the extra percentage being up for grabs should prove to be a major advantage for Kirby- and a major disadvantage for my bracket.

(BTW, did I mention that 2 of those mere 17 who picked this BB upset ahead of time are me and yo? Well, it's true! *sends a disastrously overconfident pre-match high five yo's way*)

Okay, soooo, if Lucas and Jinjo have bad showings, then in order for Bossy to pull off this upsets we're going to need a result somewhere in the range of...

Big Boss - 36.14%%
Kirby - 36.10%
Jinjo - 14.30%
Lucas - 13.46%

Bah, I like how far ahead of the curve I was in calling for this upset a month back, but here in the last hours I'm starting to get cold feet. Oh well, soldiering on!

Ngamer Says: Big Boss > Kirby



Guest’s Analysis - Kamekguy


Alright, so here we are in round seven. We've got an MGS4-pumped Big Boss, the rather reliable midcarder in Kirby, Brawl Character, and the latest Joke Character in Jinjo. With the exception of one specific, Japan-only character, I happen to actually like all of these characters, so thankfully, this shouldn't be too much of a problem to write without bias today.

Big Boss is a lock for first. I see absolutely no way he can be taken down. Sure, he spent the last contest hanging onto Mario's coattails for a few rounds, and that Naked Snake pic sure did wonders for him. But now that Big Boss has familiarized himself with the masses, through MGS4 and a little bit through Brawl, he's not going to have any problems taking down a three-way Nintendo split. It won't be a blowout or anything, but it should be a convincing enough win. I've included an interview I did with Big Boss, as he ensured me that there was absolutely NO way he was going to lose this.

Kamek: Mr. Boss, thank you very much for this opportunity.

Big Boss: ...

Kamek: Something wrong?

Big Boss: It's nothing. But doesn't this seem...familiar?

Kamek: What do you mean?

Big Boss: I don't know...I just have this feeling...like this eerie, disembodied voice did something exactly like this...that the comfort and tranquility of the cardboard box may be broken forever...that there might be cake in the jungle of voting.

Kamek: Errr...

Big Boss: There's monkeys running the polls, in the polls, and voting in them. You get the idea.
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Kamek: Right...anyway, you have three somewhat powerful opponents. First up is Kirby, who was pretty much the only guy who could've shut out that Tetris piece last year.

Big Boss: Mmm...so, how does it taste?

Kamek: Excuse me?

Big Boss: How does this 'Kirby' taste? Is he that giant marshmallow?

Kamek: Pretty much...

Big Boss: Hmmm...I MIGHT have something to enjoy snacking on in the second round...

Kamek: Then there's Jinjo, who's pretty much a...

Big Boss: ...tasty flightless bird?

Kamek: Yeah, that's pretty much--

Jinjo: UNEXPECTED!

Big Boss: That's one big bird! Looks a little too sour, but a bit of spice might...

Kamek: This wasn't supposed to turn into Jungle Cooking 101.

Big Boss: Right, this was supposed to be a desperate cry for attention.

Kamek: ...Moving on, your final competitor is some Brawl character...Lucas or something...

Big Boss: ...you mean that WASN'T a duck?

Kamek: What do you...

Big Boss: He looked like a duck from behind...

Kamek: You mean you...

Big Boss: When on a battlefield, some things are better left unsaid.

Kamek: So, you believe you'll do well?

Big Boss: Well is from a point of view. Four go in, two are freed from the battlefield, while the rest continue to fight for the rest of their lives. There's no dignity; only the knowledge that you're forever stuck as a damn midcarder!

Kamek: There's always moral victories!

Big Boss: Moral victories are for Cats, not for Snakes.

Kamek: Riiiight...any final words?

Big Boss: This is good...right?

Kamek: ...you know, forget this, waste of time over.


I hope you all thoroughly enjoyed that completely humorless waste of time. Now, let's continue.

Second place is a battle between Jinjo and Kirby. Kirby is a rather strong midcarder, while Jinjo is a joke. However, while Jinjo is a joke, Jinjo isn't Mudkip or Weighted Companion Cube or L-Block. Jinjo is CATS. Jinjo is GLaDOS. Jinjo is an actual CHARACTER. While both CATS and GLaDOS have generally overperformed due to this being the 'year of the joke character', Jinjo is...well, he's just not 'huge'. He doesn't have the casual appeal of Mudkip, and isn't as large of a fad as GLaDOS. He's also from Banjo-Kazooie, an excellent game, yes, but we all saw how Banjo performed...and also how Crash performed. It's been stated time and time again; if you're from a platformer that doesn't involve mutated meatball men sporting mustaches and overalls or 'radical ripping rodents' of the blue variety, Gamefaqs generally doesn't care about you. Jinjo will probably get this same cold shoulder. If he were a sole option for the cute in a group of mature characters, I'd give him a shot. But not with...

Kirby in the poll. Kirby had pretty ugly results last year, failing to conquer the block after DK caught him in his tie and taught him the art of the choke. This year, he does have another character trying to leech off of his percentage (Lucas), but it won't be quite as severe as Donkey Kong. Kirby is probably the most casual-friendly option in this poll, and one of the few characters who actually might benefit from Brawl. Kirby Super Star Ultra was also released recently, and Meta Knight put up respectable numbers in his match. Triple D fell to Pit, yes, but Kirby should be able to get through this round on pure muscle alone.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 8:31:11 PM | message detail
Lucas...will knock off a few votes from Kirby and Jinjo. Yeah, I know Mother's got one heck of a rabbid fanbase, yeah, I know that Ness has burned a lot of brackets over the years, but Lucas isn't in contention. If Lucario had better results, I might look at Lucas with a smile and say, 'maybe'. But I just can't...Brawl characters have REALLY underperformed very badly in this contest. Lucas is a bit like Pit in popularity, but he just doesn't stand a chance against anyone here.

Big Boss> Kirby

Big Boss with 37.68%, Kirby with 26.32%, Jinjo with 21.45%, Lucas with 14.55%



Crew Consensus: Wait, the Crew actually has this Big Boss > Kirby upset 4-3? And Lopen didn't even take it? I said wow.
vcharon | Posted 10/11/2008 8:32:02 PM | message detail
I like it more when you guys go against my own bracket, it seems to always pay off. I don't like the looks of this now.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2008 8:37:05 PM | message detail
Match XXV: Big Boss vs. Jinjo vs. Kirby vs. Lucas

Information:

Name: Big Boss
Game/Series From: Metal Gear series
2007 Results: 2nd in round 1, 2nd in round 2, 3rd in round 3

Compared to his debut appearance in 2005 last year was a much better performance done by Big Boss. Beating a SFF Pac-Man wasn’t that impressive, but not having any problem defeating Magus even with a Naked Snake picture, now that was impressive. With the users making the pictures Big Boss has received a Naked Snake picture as his first round picture can he continue his impressive performances here?

Name: Jinjo
Game/Series From: Banjo-Kazooie series
2007 Results: Did not enter

Well this was unexpected. I was in Portugal when the contest was announced and the nominations were taking place so seeing Jinjo in the contest was a surprise. Jinjo being a joke will probably end up being stronger than Banjo though the joke itself isn’t that huge compare to the other jokes.

Name: Kirby
Game/Series From: Kirby series
2007 Results: 1st in round 1, 3rd in round 2

Kirby was there when the L-Block had its first match and could have ended the joke character’s career if Donkey Kong wasn’t there LFF Kirby. This year he’s in another four-pack with a joke character though this pack is much stronger than the one he had last year so the joke will probably die quickly.

Name: Lucas
Game/Series From: Mother 3
2007 Results: Did not enter

Marth has been often considered to have strength solely from Melee and being one of the most favoured characters he also represented the highest boost Melee gave to the rest of the cast. Lucas is often considered to be the Brawl of Marth’s Melee, with the exception of being favoured by the people who played the game.

Analysis:

This match could potentially have two nail biters, one for first and one for third. It’s these kinds of matches where two close matches are going on make this format better than one on one. However while I believe that the match will have two close battles within it I also believe that the two matches won’t be nail biters throughout the day.

The match between first is Kirby and Big Boss. Obviously Kirby is the favourite going into the match. Kirby was stuck in the way with the path of destruction that L-Block caused, but still he is still one of the stronger characters in the bracket. Keeping up with Luigi and Bowser is still impressive and while he has Lucas holding him back it won’t be to the extent that Donkey Kong did last year.

Big Boss has been hyped for two reasons. The first is that he’s getting a boost from the release of MGS4. We saw how well Liquid Snake did against Luigi, however out of all of the Metal Gear characters in the contest I suspect that Big Boss would get the smallest boost. All of the other characters had big roles in the game while Big Boss’ role isn’t as prominent. That’s all I can say without spoiling the game.

The second reason is Big Boss has his Naked Snake picture and since he looks a lot like Snake it’s planed that he will get a small boost in strength. He was able to defeat Magus with this picture however that was the same Magus that let Phoenix Wright do better than he did against Gordon Freeman. That wasn’t the same Magus who was a potential Noble Nine breaker in 2003. Still I expect Big Boss to do much better here than if he got the same picture that he got against Auron.
charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2008 8:37:25 PM | message detail
The other match to watch is between Jinjo and Lucas. Jinjo in my opinion is probably the most interesting joke character in this bracket. I don’t think too many people understand the joke outside of GameFAQs which makes him similar to The Dog, however The Dog is known by a lot more people than Banjo-Kazooie’s Jinjo. This could go the same path as Midgar Zolom in terms as strength (except he had Cloud as an excuse), people will either not know who he is or not understand the joke and will rather vote for something else.

Lucas isn’t doing so well either. Not only does he have Kirby to compete with, but he has no fanbase outside of Brawl because Mother 3 was only released in Japan. As seen from previous Brawl only characters it looks like Lucas won’t be having much strength to start off with plus Kirby will be taking a large portion of that small fanbase. Lucas may be the only Nintendo character to have a better night vote than morning vote.

Kirby and Big Boss should have no problem advancing and despite having a Naked Snake picture and MGS4 being released I don’t think Kirby will have a problem coming in first. The real match will be between Jinjo and Lucas of whoever sucks the least. I can see both characters potentially getting less than 10%.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kirby > Big Boss

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kirby – 43.37%, Big Boss – 36.32%, Jinjo – 11.04%, Lucas – 9.27%

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 8:43:35 PM | message detail
Big Boss is here... and he's ready to **** YOU UP KIRBY
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2008 8:56:41 PM | message detail
Round 1

Division 7- Match 1

Big Boss


Impressive last year with Naked Snake, will he ride MGS4 to a stunning upset over Kirby?

Jinjo

Noone expects Jinjo, a fad character who was popular on LUE years ago to break 10%

Kirby

The heavy favourite to win, and for good reason.

Lucas

Will he be better or worse than Pit? My guess is worse

Analysis:

A pretty boring match, that is until Bacon gave Big Boss a Naked Snake picture. Still, Kirby is no Magus, and there isn't a Mario in there to soak up the percentage, so I can't see him beating Kirby here. There's always a chance, but I'm betting against it.

The real interesting part will be seeing who will suck more between Jinjo and Lucas.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Kirby 44%, Big Boss 39%, Lucas 10%, Jinjo 7%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Kirby > Big Boss
TuRtLe's Vote: Kirby!
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Xcarvenger | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:19 PM | message detail
Big Boss 0%

0
Jinjo 83.33%

5
Kirby 16.67%

1
Lucas 0%

0
TOTAL VOTES 6
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:25 PM | message detail
lolcus
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Big Boss/Jinjo/Kirby/Lucas - Bracket: Kirby > Big Boss - Vote: Kirby (75/96)
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:26 PM | message detail
Big Boss 33.33%

7
Jinjo 38.1%

8
Kirby 19.05%

4
Lucas 9.52%

2
TOTAL VOTES 21
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:29 PM | message detail
Big Boss 14.29%

1
Jinjo 71.43%

5
Kirby 14.29%

1
Lucas 0%

0
TOTAL VOTES 7

FIRST VOTE FOR BIG BOSS

HM AND KH WHERE BE THE DAP
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smitelf | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:36 PM | message detail
O_O Jesus Lucas...
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transience | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:40 PM | message detail
Big Boss has this.
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ZFS | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:53 PM | message detail
Hell yeah Boss

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2008 9:00:57 PM | message detail
This is over.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:09 PM | message detail
Oh my god Lucas... XD
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Majin Lou | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:12 PM | message detail
So, how about that Big Boss?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:14 PM | message detail
lucas

haha
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:18 PM | message detail
XD LUCAS
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:29 PM | message detail
lol lucas

Woooooooooooow
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Cecil XIX | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:29 PM | message detail
What a thrill...
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Xcarvenger | Posted 10/11/2008 9:01:55 PM | message detail
LUCAAAAAAAAS!!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/11/2008 9:02:08 PM | message detail
Big Boss 42.37% 261
Jinjo 16.56% 102
Kirby 35.88% 221
Lucas 5.19% 32
TOTAL VOTES 616

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/11/2008 9:02:10 PM | message detail
lol Lucas
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2008 9:02:10 PM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjlcEe2VGkg

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/11/2008 9:02:12 PM | message detail
oh man
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/11/2008 9:02:18 PM | message detail
c'mon boss
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/11/2008 9:02:19 PM | message detail
Kirby = Biggest flop of the contest.

I know it's early, but I thought this ever since he came so close to Bowser that one year. There goes another two points right when I move up some spots.
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