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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/9/2008 12:18:10 PM | message detail
GO YOSHI
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Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/9/2008 12:19:32 PM | message detail
Ugh... those two cuts better have been oddities.

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Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/9/2008 12:21:00 PM | message detail
Thats better.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 12:31:32 PM | message detail
I suppose it was hypocritical (and premature, but that goes without saying) of me to declare Mewtwo a guarantee, but it's just common sense to call him the overwhelming favorite, especially after last year.

Cloud/Squall/Sora/Mewtwo

Honestly, come on. Fanbase splits don't just hurt Nintendo characters, and from what we've seen, Cloud is the one Square force that can exhibit monstrous (not Link-esque, but still scary) levels of SFF domination on other Square characters. Mewtwo is the obvious pick.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 12:32:59 PM | message detail
He might dominate Squall, but I don't see him dominating Sora enough to let Mewtwo slip past.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 12:57:37 PM | message detail
Mewtwo is already somewhat comparable to Sora. He wouldn't need to be SFFd that much.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 12:58:28 PM | message detail
Not to mention that match would feature sprites. Guess what other match did?

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2916&num=4

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 12:58:58 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#056)
Mewtwo is already somewhat comparable to Sora. He wouldn't need to be SFFd that much.



Thats an assumption that we don't really know enough to state as fact yet.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 12:59:38 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#057)
Not to mention that match would feature sprites. Guess what other match did?

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2916&num=4



Mewtwo isn't Pikachus level (if he was, he woulda gotten in the contest way before last year), plus that was Dante/Leon SFF.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/9/2008 1:00:20 PM | message detail
Cloud, Squall, and Sora all have pretty good sprites, though. Viewtiful Dante and RE2 Leon looked awful.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 1:00:44 PM | message detail
Since when has nomination power been a valid strength-measuring tool? Vincent didn't get in until 2005.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 1:01:27 PM | message detail
True, just saying that a Mewtwo sprite may bring up some nostalgic feelings like the Pikachu sprite did. Or maybe it was all Dante/Leon splitting, who knows.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 1:01:34 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#061)
Since when has nomination power been a valid strength-measuring tool? Vincent didn't get in until 2005.



That was cuz of FF limit on characters. Nothing has prevented Mewtwo... and that was an arguement about why Diddy was so weak. It took him so long to get in, theres gotta be a reason.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 1:02:31 PM | message detail
Because the Pokemon fanbase didn't think to nominate him, but would vote for him if he got in? Pikachu was also conspicuously absent for several years until 2007.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 1:03:47 PM | message detail
He had Pokemon + SSBB fanbase. If he had the strength you guys are thinking he does, no reason it would take him that long to get in without any rules preventing him from making the field.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 1:04:10 PM | message detail
Excuse me, SSBM.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 1:09:33 PM | message detail
Besides, you know, the obvious reason that you're ignoring.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 10/9/2008 1:09:49 PM | message detail
Got another opportunity to go online, so of course I'm going to take this opportunity to brag about still being in the Top 50.

Go figure I wouldn't have internet access the one time I'm actually on top.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 1:10:28 PM | message detail
What obvious reason? If NESS could get into the contest through noms, why couldn't Mewtwo?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/9/2008 1:13:04 PM | message detail
Because EB fans are insanely dedicated. I nominated Ness this year simply because I didn't want to chance him not getting in, and I was trying to save as many noms as possible for trades.

Pokemon fans? Not so much. No Pokemon is going to rank on a favorites list or come to mind when nominating. However, when one does get into a poll, and it's a universally loved one like Mewtwo...

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 1:18:08 PM | message detail
We'll see. I think last years match was a fluke with him looking better then he really was with Toad there. I mean do you think anyone who voted for Toad wouldn't of voted for Bowser if Toad wasn't in the match? The fact that Ryu beat Bowser big time when Bowser is consistantly stronger should show that.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 1:23:25 PM | message detail
I usually compare Mewtwo to Ryu because of those reasons. While I agree that Toad had a big effect on Bowser, you do remember that Ryu was still stronger than Bowser without Toad?

Who's to say that Bowser did nothing to Mewtwo?
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Character Battle 2008: Points 63/84 Today's Match: Squall > Yoshi
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:24:24 PM | message detail
Toad/Bowser overlap more then Bowser/Mewtwo, though he probably did take some votes from Mewtwo, I still think he was overrated due to Bowser underperforming.
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GameZACKS | Posted 10/9/2008 1:27:34 PM | message detail
Bowser was obviously hurting Mewtwo, and Mewtwo, Bowser.

You don't go from beating Ryu 60/40 to barely outdoing him without something going on. Even if you give Bowser 100% of Toad's votes, and obviously that's being generous, Bowser barely beats Ryu. Saying Mewtwo wasn't affected in that match is about as ignorant as it gets.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:29:07 PM | message detail
WEll, we'll see on Saturday just how well Mewtwo does when he's the big dog.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 1:35:01 PM | message detail
1.5 hours into the ASV and Yoshi has gone from 41.76% to 42% on Squall. It also seems like Nathan is getting the ASV as well while Squall and CATS are losing ground.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:36:29 PM | message detail
So...

How about Midna/Steel?!
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 1:41:08 PM | message detail
Summary of my analysis: People play Guitar Hero for the music not the characters, Axel will fail unless Midna fails harder due to the site shift. Despite being in a match with two other DS characters Miles would have to hope for both of them to fail really hard.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:42:20 PM | message detail
If Miles gets his picture of his hot bod, I think he advances.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 1:44:26 PM | message detail
I've never been a fan of the Phoenix Wright series. Phoenix's match earlier this round was the first time I've taken a character from that series to win.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 63/84 Today's Match: Squall > Yoshi
Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/9/2008 1:45:05 PM | message detail
Midna advances, I don't see how this match is even debatable.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:45:33 PM | message detail

Zylo the wolf (#081)
Midna advances, I don't see how this match is even debatable.



Lucario is first, I don't even see why its debatable that Altair could be first
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/9/2008 1:47:37 PM | message detail
As a gigantic proponent of Altair, tomorrow's match is no way comparable to his.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:48:20 PM | message detail
Obviously Midna will take power hour, but if Axel is anywhere close to Midna after power hour, game over.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/9/2008 1:48:36 PM | message detail
i really dont expect Mewtwo to jump past Yoshi if he couldnt jump past Bowser with Toad.
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GameZACKS | Posted 10/9/2008 1:50:05 PM | message detail
The whole point is Yoshi won't be in that match.

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/9/2008 1:50:12 PM | message detail
Nobody expects Mewtwo to beat out Yoshi. The only way the upsets happening is if Squall/Sora advance next round over Yoshi.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/9/2008 1:51:37 PM | message detail
Lucario is first, I don't even see why its debatable that Altair could be first

I had Altair >Lucario for a long time then I was all like "Man all the other guys on Board 8 says Lucarwho will take both this match and round 2 with ease, I better change to Lucario > Altair in this round at least.

But Midna is a Zelda character. Axel Steel is just like the DDR characters, nobody gives a **** about them, it the music in the games that matter.

BTW, assume that any of the Guitar Hero OST would be allowed in a OST contest, would it be able to beat say FFVII's OST?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:53:17 PM | message detail
But Midna is a Zelda character. Axel Steel is just like the DDR characters, nobody gives a **** about them, it the music in the games that matter.

I just think Axel will get votes for beign the rep of GH, as GH votes... not cuz they care about him exactly, but to show support for Guitar Hero.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/9/2008 1:55:34 PM | message detail
I still would be surprised if Axel beats Edgeworth tomorrow, but feel free to laugh at me if I'm wrong.

The only thing that matters in this match is how high Cloud will go.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:56:58 PM | message detail
Man, I can't wait till this match starts so people can eat their words. Edgeworth, beating the face of the biggest selling game the last 18 months? Right.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/9/2008 1:57:01 PM | message detail

I just think Axel will get votes for beign the rep of GH, as GH votes... not cuz they care about him exactly, but to show support for Guitar Hero.


Almost every character that has been hyped this way bombs..
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:57:38 PM | message detail

MegatokyoEd (#092)

I just think Axel will get votes for beign the rep of GH, as GH votes... not cuz they care about him exactly, but to show support for Guitar Hero.


Almost every character that has been hyped this way bombs..



Who else has been hyped this way?
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trannyscience | Posted 10/9/2008 1:58:04 PM | message detail
something about Axel Steel arguments crack me up every time I see them. I just can't take them seriously.

and he might win, I just don't care either way.
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GameZACKS | Posted 10/9/2008 1:58:49 PM | message detail
Not to mention that GameFAQs isn't exactly the breeding grounds for GH fanboyism. GH is the pinnacle of casual gaming, it would have a hard enough time rallying support to do anything in a games contest, let alone having one of it's characters do well. The only thing that stops me from calling this match a lock is the absolutely pathetic competition he has. Even then I'm pretty confident Axel's not going anywhere.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 1:59:25 PM | message detail
But with Turtle, Hochi, and I ALL having Axel advancing.

Expect the gloating.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 2:00:19 PM | message detail

GameZACKS (#095)
Not to mention that GameFAQs isn't exactly the breeding grounds for GH fanboyism. GH is the pinnacle of casual gaming, it would have a hard enough time rallying support to do anything in a games contest, let alone having one of it's characters do well. The only thing that stops me from calling this match a lock is the absolutely pathetic competition he has. Even then I'm pretty confident Axel's not going anywhere.



Pinnacle of casual gaming... this is part of why I hate these boards. Anything that CAN be casual at lower levels, people call it casual. SSBB can be casual gaming at lower levels of competiiton, but that doesn't make it the pinnacle of casual gaming. High levels of Guitar hero is as hardcore as any game.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/9/2008 2:02:06 PM | message detail

Who else has been hyped this way?


Every GTA character ever. When you get into "The fanbase will support them even if they don't like the character" it's bad news.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/9/2008 2:03:12 PM | message detail

MegatokyoEd (#098)

Who else has been hyped this way?


Every GTA character ever. When you get into "The fanbase will support them even if they don't like the character" it's bad news.



If he's as strong as any GTA character, he's got this locked though.

Midna is freaking weak who should be even weaker this year.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/9/2008 2:03:40 PM | message detail
look, let's be honest. Axel only wins if he gets joke voted. he's not going to have real legit strength.

but with Cloud sucking up a good 60% of the votes in that match, 15-20% may be all he needs. anything can happen when low percentages are involved.

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