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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 591

hailEC | Posted 10/10/2008 6:36:10 AM | message detail
Man Cloud's voting trends are just ridiculous... I would love to see him and L go at it straight on.

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/10/2008 7:35:59 AM | message detail
Midna is doing much better than expected. Right now she's getting 26% on Cloud. It will go down through the day, but in the end she'll be above my expectations.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 67/88 Today's Match: Cloud > Midna
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/10/2008 8:03:04 AM | message detail
Turtle, how is it that you can make me feel like I lost the bet with one stupid statement?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/10/2008 8:59:59 AM | message detail
Cloud's consistently getting low 60 updates now, so he should make a good push for 60% by the end.
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Round 1: 1st place, 57296 votes, 45.06%
ffmasterjose | Posted 10/10/2008 9:08:58 AM | message detail
The return of SquareFAQs confirmed

Link is so screwed
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69/88 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII
NP: Cloud Strife > Midna | http://www.thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=0
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 9:09:50 AM | message detail

ffmasterjose (#455)
The return of SquareFAQs confirmed

Link is so screwed



cloud is doing worse then expected though
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hailEC | Posted 10/10/2008 9:10:04 AM | message detail
uhhh
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ffmasterjose | Posted 10/10/2008 9:11:22 AM | message detail
That would be my bad attempt at a joke. I'm looking at the same match everyone else is :D
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69/88 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII
NP: Cloud Strife > Midna | http://www.thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=0
HaRRicH | Posted 10/10/2008 9:12:02 AM | message detail
1) This is a good match to show that people need to honestly shut the **** up and stop acting like you know everything. I would mention names, but I strive to be above that.

2) On a completely unrelated note, I hate that I missed this: L-O-L B-T.

3) Is axel much above where Agent J was expected last year? Can we get some statistical comparison please?


4) More seriously, I didn't think Axel would be in the match, but I didn't think he would be this out of the match. Midna's impressing too...fun stuff.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 9:13:05 AM | message detail
1) This is a good match to show that people need to honestly shut the **** up and stop acting like you know everything. I would mention names, but I strive to be above that.

What else is there to do during boring matches in the contest discussion board then talk about future matches?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/10/2008 9:27:41 AM | message detail
There's a difference between discussion and pretentious claims that you know what's going to happen and whoever disagrees with you is an idiot.
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Round 1: 1st place, 57296 votes, 45.06%
HaRRicH | Posted 10/10/2008 9:33:14 AM | message detail
Bingo.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/10/2008 9:40:02 AM | message detail
At least Cloud hasn't lost his massive day vote, like Link seemed to have. It'll be interesting to see how Zack's FFVII day vote compares to what Link does.
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Round 1: 1st place, 57296 votes, 45.06%
MnMZero | Posted 10/10/2008 9:43:11 AM | message detail
lol Axel

And no, I'm not ragging on you BT. You made valid arguments about the GH fanbase, but you forgot about the age-old saying around here: games =/= characters. You actually thought that Guitar Hero fans really gave a damn about the characters? Really, to me, all of the characters suck (well, maybe not Clive). GH would have been better off with create-a-character. Sure, a Judy Nails might have a few fans here and there, and an Axel Steel might have a few fans, and a Grim Ripper might have a few fans. But for the masses of GH fans, it's really hard for people to care that much about the characters? Sure the GH fanbase is large enough for them to support its characters over characters that really suck, but in a poll with Cloud? No, there's nothing wrong with this poll. Cloud is dominating accordingly. Edgeworth has his few, but diehard fans. Axel Steel is sucking because nobody cares that much. And Midna is taking the Zelda/Nintendo diehard fanbase.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/10/2008 9:45:41 AM | message detail
You actually thought that Guitar Hero fans really gave a damn about the characters?

Eh, I doubt Guitar Hero fans would even care enough about the game to give it a meaningful showing in any games contest.
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MnMZero | Posted 10/10/2008 9:49:10 AM | message detail
1) This is a good match to show that people need to honestly shut the **** up and stop acting like you know everything. I would mention names, but I strive to be above that.

Wow, that's a bit overboard. That's the point of this topic. If you think you have a good argument, there's nothing wrong with saying it. This contest wouldn't be any fun if you couldn't make bold arguments with the chance of them being correct. I'd rather have a topic with people making bold arguments over everyone holding back.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/10/2008 9:49:54 AM | message detail
Again, big difference between boldness and arrogance.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 9:55:10 AM | message detail
Obviously BT and I were wrong about this one, but there were people who thought Falcon had a chance that would be shot down as well, yet that turned out to be true. Thinking characters have a shot that are upsets are fine. If you guys all think Midna was a lock, BT and I could think Axel was a lock. It shouldn't just be one sided.
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MnMZero | Posted 10/10/2008 9:55:52 AM | message detail
Eh, I doubt Guitar Hero fans would even care enough about the game to give it a meaningful showing in any games contest.

You think Guitar Hero would be doing this bad in a games contest? I don't see how. Since Guitar Hero II released, the game hasn't disappointed in a poll yet. I'm not saying it would be a powerhouse, but it would definitely hold its own. I thought Guitar Hero III did rather well in the multi-platform GotY poll, nabbing second with Rock Band in the poll. And it's not like the rest of its competition wasn't decent (Orange Box, CoD4, Bioshock). There's nothing that suggests that GH would bomb in a poll like Axel is doing.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 9:56:56 AM | message detail
Not to mention GH boards on Gamefaqs are some of the most popular, part of my reasoning for thinking Axel would do well. Maybe they don't care about the characters of it, but I wouldn't see the games fans being so apathetic about the game itself.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/10/2008 10:03:12 AM | message detail
It may do well; maybe I'm underestimating its fanbase. However, I have a very hard time seeing a game that casual pick up a win unless it was matched up against something relatively niche (or relatively niche and relatively old).
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/10/2008 10:10:03 AM | message detail
Wow, that's a bit overboard. That's the point of this topic. If you think you have a good argument, there's nothing wrong with saying it. This contest wouldn't be any fun if you couldn't make bold arguments with the chance of them being correct. I'd rather have a topic with people making bold arguments over everyone holding back.

Leonhart's covered my thoughts on it. I'm all for varying arguments, but make them arguments instead of spewing dumb stuff and being 100% behind some uneducated guesses. I can't remember anything specifically bad about Albion's arguments -- it was mainly a BT-thing for me...

...but if he wants to say GH would take on SSBM while ignoring that this is GameFAQs, then assume people care about their characters like they do the game, then justify it by getting a few upsets correct last year, then treat everyone else like they're ridiculous for not jumping on the upset? I'm going to give hell back if and when they're wrong because he would have done the same to us.


GH3 (or the series in general) would do well enough in a contest though.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 10:12:35 AM | message detail
Hochi is kinda quiet after his Cloud > Axel pick
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MnMZero | Posted 10/10/2008 10:13:29 AM | message detail
Why? It's done just as well as any other kind of game does in those polls, and its actually beaten some big name franchises in those polls. We already know it has a large widespread fanbase. Why would it suddenly be unable to win a match against anything non-fodder? You act like we're talking about Wii Sports here. GH has plenty of hardcore-type fans as well as those who casually play it. I don't see why it should be treated any differently.
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hailEC | Posted 10/10/2008 10:50:35 AM | message detail
Because GH is the pinnacle of casual gaming. Moreso than Mario, Zelda, whatever. People who don't play any other video games play Guitar Hero. I know people with 360's just for rockband and guitar hero. They don't own a single other game. GameFAQs isn't the general gaming audience, and I'd be pretty damn stunned if they really got behind Guitar Hero and pushed it to a victory against any half-decently respected game around here.

No doubt it would do better than Axel or any of it's characters... that's not even a question. I'd say having it in a games contest would be worthwhile, but unless it got an extremely favorable match-up it's not going anywhere.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 10:51:37 AM | message detail
And I know people with a Wii only for SSBB. Your point? Any popular game can be casual at low levels of competition, but Guitar Hero is as hardcore as it gets at high levels of competition.
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hailEC | Posted 10/10/2008 10:53:40 AM | message detail
If you can't make the comparison yourself, I'm not going to bother. You don't listen to reason and enjoy following your own ass-backward logic to the death.
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vcharon | Posted 10/10/2008 10:55:38 AM | message detail
None of the Noble 9 have stomped the competition... it isn't that type of internet anymore. Also, Cloud is doing better than I personally expected. I didn't think we'd see any 60% scores at all, but Cloud will probably make a real push for it. He still has a long time to get there.

I'm hesitant to mention anything about SquareFAQs... because even though Nintendo looks weak, Cloud beating Link is actually the farthest thing from my mind concerning this contest. I just want to know if any real character is going to be able to top the jokes. I think Cloud has to work about Cube/Block/Sandbag more than Link right now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 10:56:04 AM | message detail
You are the one who thinks just because a game can be casual, its ONLY casual. Show me a casual guitar hero player who can 5 star Ttfaf on Expert. Please.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/10/2008 10:57:32 AM | message detail
that might be the dumbest thing ive ever read, but i forget all the other posts ive read of yours so

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/10/2008 11:25:00 AM | message detail
Personally, I don't think GameFAQs attracts that kind of GH-player very much in comparison to other expert-level players for other games...though this is admittedly a guess on my part. It just seems like for every expert-level GH-player you could find here, you could find at least two for SSBM, two for SSBB, two who have beaten FF7 ten or more times, two who have tackled a MGS game on Extreme, and somebody who can name every moveset in Street Fighter 2.

GameFAQs has a strong enough showing of GH-fans -- honestly, GH3 should have beaten Halo 3 last year and competed with CoD4 if Rock Band wasn't in its poll, and GH already clearly beat the other music-genre games in a poll last year before GH3 came out -- but I wouldn't rely on their hardcore fans here.


I would figure and GH game or the series would be a one-and-done type of game/series in a contest though. It would be screwed over if it faced somebody strong in the first round, yet it would probably have an easier route than most to get to the third round or better. Some good matches would come from it, but I would expect it to falter against standard classics here while abusing games with more niche-fanbases.
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capri | Posted 10/10/2008 11:27:42 AM | message detail
I am a first-time poster on these topics. I am just wondering what the consensus from the "experts" is on tomorrow's match.

I have Mewtwo > Pac-Man, but I can't help but feel like I probably screwed up. I'm in the 91st percentile right now, and don't want to fall too far (Never finished higher than 60...)
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/10/2008 11:38:44 AM | message detail
I originally had Mewtwo > Pac-Man, but i switched to Mewtwo > Ness. I think EB's fanbase will resist Pokemon SFF and Ness's SSB-support should be relatively unhindered by Mewtwo. If CF can kill Diddy Kong with it, Ness should be able to resist Mewtwo with it.

Who knows with Pac-Man though. Since three Nintendo icons have killed Pac-Man before, I assume two lesser-known Nintendo characters in the same poll won't do him any favors either. IAlso, I trust this format doesn't do Pac-Man a lot of good since the idea is that he benefits from a lot of apathetic votes; with more options, there are less apathy to be up for grabs.


I won't be surprised if Pac-Man wins, but I'm giving it to Ness. This is a make-or-break match for me about him though; this will say a lot about his support in the fanbase.
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transience | Posted 10/10/2008 11:50:17 AM | message detail
these GH arguments are dumb. like, really dumb. comparing the GH series to its characters is seriously the stupidest thing you can do. is GH casual? sure. does GF hate it? no. would it be "turbofodder" in a Game Contest? no, not like this. seriously, you're comparing an avatar you don't control from a rhythm game to a fairly popular series. sure, some of the arguments sucked -- "most popular series in the world right now" -- but it's still a game that could beat fodder.

as for Pac-Man, I think people are gonna get the same Pac/Ocelot feeling when they see the match picture: "oh crap Pac-Man's gonna win"
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transience | Posted 10/10/2008 11:51:53 AM | message detail
aww yeah Axel beat Edgeworth in an update

today Edgeworth, tomorrow Link
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Guess how many teens | Posted 10/10/2008 11:54:09 AM | message detail
The problem with Guitar Hero is that is has no emotional value and is too new.
Imo games that combine those two aspects will never do good in contests, wether it's games/characters/4way/2way.
People just don't care about it enough(yet)
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/10/2008 12:01:45 PM | message detail

transience (#484)
as for Pac-Man, I think people are gonna get the same Pac/Ocelot feeling when they see the match picture: "oh crap Pac-Man's gonna win"



I always felt uneasy about Ocelot, and the pic was just the "final nail".

Mewtwo > Ness I feel pretty good about, pretty much for the reasons Har mentioned. With three other Nintendo characters there, each catering to a different part of the fanbase (we got Pokemon, Smash, old-school, casual, hardcore, even Wii fans), I see Pac-Man taking third. He won't collapse because there isn't another big Nintendo name there, but I think Mewtwo and Ness are fine.
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transience | Posted 10/10/2008 12:02:43 PM | message detail
I wonder if Midna has any kind of chance beating Mewtwo if Ness moves on tomorrow.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/10/2008 12:05:30 PM | message detail
I was wondering how the Mewtwo/Midna/Ness split would work, too. I wanna see how tomorrow goes before I say much there, but there's room for upsets.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/10/2008 12:11:07 PM | message detail
Nah don't worry Pac-Man supporters, he will be far away from Ness to make the match even interesting..... At least I think so.


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Janus5000 | Posted 10/10/2008 12:58:13 PM | message detail
Hmm. I guess I can take consolation in knowing that Axel didn't get buried alive by Cloud during the day.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/10/2008 1:06:09 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 1:22:29 PM | message detail
seems axel is getting asv lol
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/10/2008 1:27:46 PM | message detail
Why is Edgeworth increasing with the ASV while Cloud decreases. <_<
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 1:29:05 PM | message detail

KleenexTissue50 (#494)
Why is Edgeworth increasing with the ASV while Cloud decreases. <_<



Uh... he's not. He's very slow decreasing
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/10/2008 1:34:34 PM | message detail
I never said that this was a 100% certain victory for Axel, I just felt like this was a match comparable to Ocelot/Pac-Man where the result seemed obvious to me and Board 8 got burned. Obviously it didn't turn out like that.

What still gets me is how good Midna is doing here. I'd have never thought she'd be above the fodder line after her showing last year, and TP having another year to fall into irrelevancy.

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message detail Turtle, how is it that you can make me feel like I lost the bet with one stupid statement?


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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/10/2008 1:37:42 PM | message detail
I was wondering how the Mewtwo/Midna/Ness split would work, too. I wanna see how tomorrow goes before I say much there, but there's room for upsets.

I doubt it. Unless Mewtwo lays an absolute egg, he shouldn't have much trouble. He held up well enough against Bowser, so he should have no trouble with Midna.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 10/10/2008 1:37:48 PM | message detail
I don't think Cloud is getting 60%... he's already losing in percentage.
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/10/2008 1:39:37 PM | message detail
But Cloud has a good night vote, doesn't he? Here's hoping he goes up just enough to hit 60% during the SNV.
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vcharon | Posted 10/10/2008 1:40:23 PM | message detail
Cloud > Link
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