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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 590

HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 10:22:20 AM | message detail
So i think its a pretty good assumption that Fox would likely hurt Yoshi more then Sora hurts Squall... and that squall doesn't even really hurt Sora much.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/9/2008 10:23:38 AM | message detail
I think I'd rather have Squall > Sora next round at this point. Yoshi needs to absolutely crush Fox with SFF, I think, because he's probably closer to Fox than to Sora in strength before SFF.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 10:30:58 AM | message detail
Anyway, I'm calling Auron the favorite for first place in Round 2 if Sandbag moves on.

He's been the favorite since before the contest even started, regardless of Sandbag success!

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 10:31:44 AM | message detail
Yes maybe.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 10:38:14 AM | message detail
Looking at my bracket I'm so pissed about a bunch of things right now. Most of which being MC > Kirby in the 3rd round. That's gonna look awful when Big Boss takes that ball of puff out first round, huh? Squall > Yoshi and thus Cloud > Yoshi getting me a little annoyed that I didn't have the balls to go with my gut.

Not that it should really matter with Block domination... and even if he doesn't win, Cloud will, so what the hell! Actually thinking about it... if Cloud is capable of taking down Link this year, there's a good chance someone with Link winning still wins the bracket right? I mean if L-Block > Cloud is the final result.. hmmm.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 10:40:01 AM | message detail
Dante > Kirby in round 3

Oh God I'm sounding like ertyu
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ffmasterjose | Posted 10/9/2008 10:40:41 AM | message detail
Looking at my bracket I'm so pissed about a bunch of things right now. Most of which being MC > Kirby in the 3rd round. That's gonna look awful when Big Boss takes that ball of puff out first round

I'm more or less in the camp that you never know what type of Big Boss you're up against until the match picture is released. If he gets his MGS1 artwork he's screwed. Naked Snake = byebyebye Kirby.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/9/2008 10:41:45 AM | message detail
Sora held up extremely well against Squall with Aeris in the poll; in the next round, with Sonic/Sub-Zero/Squall, Sora still managed to beat Sub-Zero comfortably

The match with Aeris hardly matters here, but beating Sub-Zero soundly does. Yoshi has a somewhat-similar comparison last year to make though:

--Sora beat Sub-Zero by ~4,500 votes with Squall in the poll.
--Yoshi beat Scorpion by ~2,700 votes with Mega Man and Samus in the poll.

Sora should probably have the advantage in that regard, but then you have to consider that Squall is likely going to SFF Sora worse than Fox will LFF Yoshi. With that in mind...Sora/Yoshi for second place ought to be a great one to watch.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/9/2008 10:46:15 AM | message detail
From what I've seen of Nintendo so far I'd say Sora is the comfortable favorite.
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/9/2008 10:49:04 AM | message detail
Agreed. Nintendo has vastly choked this contest.


Btw the way, this is just another example of the brawl factor being insignificant.
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This Pick: Squall > Yoshi
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:02:28 AM | message detail
I didn't have the balls to go with my gut.

Weird visual.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/9/2008 11:03:18 AM | message detail
by the way the way
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:03:37 AM | message detail
in case you're looking for clarification, my gut is actually just a large dick without balls.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:04:39 AM | message detail
I'd support Squall > Sora because it guarantees Mew****ingtwo a spot in the quarters.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:06:19 AM | message detail
Mewtwo isn't beating Squall in round 3. If he couldn't get out of round 1 last year, h e ain't beating Squall, sff'd or not. And he's not even in Brawl, so I wouldn't expect anything more then we saw of him last year.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:07:40 AM | message detail
I don't think it guarantees him a spot there. Depending on how the SFF/LFF beatdown goes I could honestly see Squall, Sora or Mewtwo going through with Cloud. If we got to that point I'd love to see Cloud > Mewtwo, but I don't think it's a lock with their noticable gaps in strength.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:08:26 AM | message detail
Cloud > Sora is more likely then Mewtwo, since Sora shouldn't be SFF'd as much as Squall.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:10:04 AM | message detail
Mewtwo isn't beating Squall in round 3. If he couldn't get out of round 1 last year, h e ain't beating Squall, sff'd or not. And he's not even in Brawl, so I wouldn't expect anything more then we saw of him last year.

Oh please... Cloud/Squall/Sora split is far more drastic than Bowser being significantly drained from Toad grabbing 10%. Not to mention Mewtwo, while a pokemon, still draws from the Nintendo fanbase. You can't compare the two and ask to be taken seriously.

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 11:10:27 AM | message detail
With the performance we saw Mewtwo last year that may be enough if his opponents are Cloud/Squall/Sora.

Though we should see his first match before making any conclusions.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:11:48 AM | message detail
I'll say what I said again

Mewtwo isn't beating Squall in round 3. If he couldn't get out of round 1 last year, he ain't beating Squall, sff'd or not. And he's not even in Brawl, so I wouldn't expect anything more then we saw of him last year.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:12:46 AM | message detail
All that not being in brawl means is he won't be weakened by the de-boost.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:13:08 AM | message detail
I see Mewtwo as another Lucario. Cool looking pokemon thats popular, yet struggles big time.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:13:42 AM | message detail

TestIcicles (#471)
All that not being in brawl means is he won't be weakened by the de-boost.



Mewtwo hasn't been viable in 7 years.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:14:39 AM | message detail
Mewtwo isn't beating Squall in round 3. If he couldn't get out of round 1 last year, he ain't beating Squall, sff'd or not. And he's not even in Brawl, so I wouldn't expect anything more then we saw of him last year.

I find it pretty entertaining how a good chunk of the board is ready to label us old-time stats guys as "snooty elitists" when it's usually others who come in here and make ridiculous statements backed up by (what seems to be) all the confidence in the world.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:14:41 AM | message detail
I see Mewtwo as another Lucario. Cool looking pokemon thats popular, yet struggles big time.

Well I'm so glad you feel that way. Too bad everything about their performances in the contests dictate that not being the case at all.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:15:55 AM | message detail

TestIcicles (#475)
I see Mewtwo as another Lucario. Cool looking pokemon thats popular, yet struggles big time.

Well I'm so glad you feel that way. Too bad everything about their performances in the contests dictate that not being the case at all.



Because finishing 3rd last year is really impressive. Remember everyoen was saying Ike did so well last year regardless of not advancing, and would show off his strength this year?

Yeah.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:16:49 AM | message detail
Didn't Squall lose in the first round once? I think Arthas did as well.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/9/2008 11:17:02 AM | message detail
uhhh
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:17:13 AM | message detail
Squall lost in the first round to SNAKE.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:18:43 AM | message detail
And Arthas? Man, what was that KOS-MOS thing about!
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 10/9/2008 11:18:55 AM | message detail
Squall is the strongest non-joke character outside the Noble Nine. y/n
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:18:58 AM | message detail
Good thing I wasn't one of those people then, huh? Seriously your argument is so awful I'd be surprised if a 3 year old child with an axe lodged in his brain couldn't formulate a better one. Trying to compare what Mewtwo did with Ike not winning is completely ridiculous, and has absolute zero bearing on Mewtwo's chances if put into that situation.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:19:52 AM | message detail
You are just all too high on Mewtwo when he hasn't really proven anything yet. Wait till Saturday to formulate opinions on how far he's going.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 11:20:12 AM | message detail
Because finishing 3rd last year is really impressive. Remember everyoen was saying Ike did so well last year regardless of not advancing, and would show off his strength this year?

Mewtwo's opponents last year > Ike's oppoenents last year.

The guy got about 41% on Ryu with LFF, I won't use Bowser since he was LFF too.

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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:20:50 AM | message detail
Squall is the strongest non-joke character outside the Noble Nine. y/n

Considering he has no reason to have overtaken Vincent since there last showdown, no. They're ridiculously close though, and of course it could happen, as voter fluctuation could cause anything between two so close to begin with. There's no logical reason to really take Squall > Vincent though.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:21:13 AM | message detail

charmander6000 (#484)
Because finishing 3rd last year is really impressive. Remember everyoen was saying Ike did so well last year regardless of not advancing, and would show off his strength this year?

Mewtwo's opponents last year > Ike's oppoenents last year.

The guy got about 41% on Ryu with LFF, I won't use Bowser since he was LFF too.



And whos to say Ryu wasn't LFF'd either? Ryu was most popular back in SNES days, so I could see Bowser taking his votes as well.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:21:34 AM | message detail

TestIcicles (#485)
Squall is the strongest non-joke character outside the Noble Nine. y/n

Considering he has no reason to have overtaken Vincent since there last showdown, no. They're ridiculously close though, and of course it could happen, as voter fluctuation could cause anything between two so close to begin with. There's no logical reason to really take Squall > Vincent though.



KH2 boosted him pretty majorly.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/9/2008 11:22:07 AM | message detail
Are we really talking about Mewtwo, who put a semi-scare into Bowser, being in the same boat as Lucario?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:22:54 AM | message detail
Really man I'm still wondering how Arthas ****ing Menethil lost to KOS-MOS last year. There has to be an explanation.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:23:05 AM | message detail

Karma Hunter (#488)
Are we really talking about Mewtwo, who put a semi-scare into Bowser, being in the same boat as Lucario?



Yes, because we haven't really seen much of him yet. He's likely a bit declined from last year as well since he was mainly popular from Melee, and yet he was a snub in Brawl.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:23:20 AM | message detail

PartOfYourWorld (#489)
Really man I'm still wondering how Arthas ****ing Menethil lost to KOS-MOS last year. There has to be an explanation.



Diablo.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/9/2008 11:24:14 AM | message detail
I see Mewtwo as another Lucario. Cool looking pokemon thats popular, yet struggles big time.

Lucario finished a little ahead of Isaac. Mewtwo finished a little behind Bowser. Lucario was fighting with one other Nintendo character and lost to Altair by ~21%. Mewtwo was fighting with two other Nintendo characters and lost to Ryu by ~11%. Most Pokemon fans will tell you Mewtwo > Lucario...

...what are you doing? It's like you're trying to fight against logic and evidence.


I find it pretty entertaining how a good chunk of the board is ready to label us old-time stats guys as "snooty elitists" when it's usually others who come in here and make ridiculous statements backed up by (what seems to be) all the confidence in the world.

Agreed.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/9/2008 11:24:47 AM | message detail
Wait, you mean Diablo held Arthas back? Same fanbases? Didn't that happen to another character in the first round last year?

His name escapes me at the moment, but I think it rhymes with "You Foo."
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:25:14 AM | message detail
...what are you doing? It's like you're trying to fight against logic and evidence.

You have to fight against logic for some of these matches. Alucard > Falcon
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/9/2008 11:25:43 AM | message detail
Even if he were to have declined a bit from last year (probable), it was Bowser. Barring copious amounts of rSFF, no reasonable decline is going to put Mewtwo into Lucario's category. It's just not logical.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/9/2008 11:25:51 AM | message detail
Are we really talking about Mewtwo, who put a semi-scare into Bowser, being in the same boat as Lucario?

Not anyone who has the ability to formulate a semi-reasonable argument.

And yes, Squall did boost from KH2, but Vincent has also boosted since their match as well. I kind of forgot that all that boosting happened after that match, and not before. So I guess it's possible that Squall boosted a little bit more. Seeing Vincent take down Crono though makes me still want to side with him. As impressive as Squall looked against Sonic with Sora in the poll with him, I have absolutely no faith in anything Sonic team anymore, especially in this format.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:28:41 AM | message detail
I just have this feeling Mewtwo is gonna bomb. He'll likely win round 1, but not by much. And he has really nothing going for him the last 7 years, so I can easily see him as a character who's just forgotten by alot of people. He doesn't even have as much going for him as Lucario did.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/9/2008 11:28:59 AM | message detail
To play Devil's Advocate on Squall... Vincent boosted from DoC. Squall had KH2. It stands to reason that considering how close they were in 2005, and that KH2 should have FAR more lasting power than DoC that Squall > Vincent is more than a reasonable upset. I probably wouldn't take it at the moment, but it's sexy as hell.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/9/2008 11:29:03 AM | message detail
You have to fight against logic for some of these matches. Alucard > Falcon

There was no logic fighting there. Falcon > Diddy in Brawl, plus he has Melee to work with combine with that nobody except for board 8 cares about Diddy Kong, read my analysis.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/9/2008 11:29:17 AM | message detail
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