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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/7/2008 1:47:47 PM | message detail
Is that NN for 1 on 1 or the four way?

If it's the former, Sonic is still above both Crono and Mega Man next year.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2008 1:48:45 PM | message detail
I love how you say Sonic is below Mega Man, when we haven't seen what Brawl did to Sonic.
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GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 1:48:58 PM | message detail
We need a bracket set-up that has Snake facing Mario in the Elite 8, and then Samus in the Final Four. Snake better not **** up by losing to Mario either. Or we could have Seph or Cloud take 'em on from one round to the next. Either way, it needs to be done.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2008 1:53:03 PM | message detail
We saw what Brawl did for him, let Squall almost beat him with Sora sharing the poll. And we saw what Brawl and MGS4 did for Snake, has him putting up numbers similar to Mega Man on similar competition. Vivi > Nero, but Olimar and Banjo >>>>>>>>>>>> Wesker and Crapboy.
vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 2:00:54 PM | message detail
Nothing like reaching back to 2003 to support your argument. I bet it took you that whole time to write that up, didn't it. You're right, you are so badass. Whatever will I do.

Samus/Tifa and Samus/Zelda, both are clearly anomalies, which you yourself just admitted to.

Yeah... this shows me that, indeed, things do tend to go over your head.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/7/2008 2:04:43 PM | message detail
I'm a believer in Mega Man being the weakest link in the NN, even with MM9.

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth
Mario
Samus Aran
Solid Snake
Sonic the Hedgehog
Crono
Mega Man

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GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 2:06:24 PM | message detail
What would you prefer me to do, go back to 2002, or use 4-ways to prove my point? Oh right, you just have no ground to stand on so you're going to take a shot at that. 2003, 2004, and 2005 are the only contests that we can even look at. Mario hasn't been in a proper match since then. Unless you want to look at 2002, in which case tack another victory on for Samus. But I didn't go there because 2002 is ridiculous.

Nothing went over my head, I responded to everything you said. When you referenced me missing the point, you were talking about ZSS being unreliable and MARIO BEING MARIO I MEAN COME ON ITS MARIO. I addressed both, and yet you have nothing to say in response. Do yourself a favor and put your head through a wood chipper, because it's not doing you any good.

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Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 2:06:59 PM | message detail
Why would MM9 help MM in the slightest? Why would anyone who wasn't already a MM fanboy buy that? I doubt even the hardcore bought since the initial sales were pitiful.
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 2:07:05 PM | message detail
Say Soulja Boy puts on his official website to vote for Tim

Will Tim advance?
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2008 2:07:40 PM | message detail
I agree wtih DC, except Mega Man > Crono.

It would be a close one.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/7/2008 2:08:26 PM | message detail
Why would MM9 help MM in the slightest? Why would anyone who wasn't already a MM fanboy buy that? I doubt even the hardcore bought since the initial sales were pitiful.

My thoughts exactly.

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/7/2008 2:08:29 PM | message detail
I doubt even the hardcore bought since the initial sales were pitiful.

ha ha what
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 2:09:38 PM | message detail

MoogleKupo141 (#162)
I doubt even the hardcore bought since the initial sales were pitiful.

ha ha what



While not pitiful, they did turn out to be not what Capcom had pegged them to be.
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vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 2:11:21 PM | message detail
I don't need to respond to you, because this whole debate started when you (or someone I assume is you, at least) said this:

It should be universally agreed on that Samus is stronger than Seph.

Now the debate is suddenly about Mario/Samus. Are you going to show me where Samus is now indirectly stronger than Sephiroth, too?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/7/2008 2:12:13 PM | message detail
Maybe if they Capcom got off their asses and made a whole new Mega Man game instead of using the ugly NES graphics which by todays standards a 10 year old kid could recreate.

Lazy bastards.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 2:13:17 PM | message detail

Dilated Chemist (#165)
Maybe if they Capcom got off their asses and made a whole new Mega Man game instead of using the ugly NES graphics which by todays standards a 10 year old kid could recreate.

Lazy bastards.



Alot of people praise them for MM9, but I seriously think they should have done it with the SNES or PS1 Mega Man graphics if anything. To me, after playing next gen games, I can't even play it cuz the graphics are so pixelated and bad.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/7/2008 2:14:03 PM | message detail
I loved the 8 bit graphics

We need more of them.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/7/2008 2:14:23 PM | message detail
You're right, I did say that. And then you made some kind of lame remark about it not having a chance. In the very next post I said I didn't actually think that Samus could beat Seph, that I was being facetious.

You were then so gracious to post:

Samus is still indirectly stronger than Mario? Isn't this where someone says "lol xstats" or something to that effect?

Samus is not Mario. Samus will never be Mario. Mario may not always look impressive, but at the end of the day, I trust him to get the job done more than I do Samus. Regardless of the round and picture, which is a lot more than you can say about some of the other Noble 9, who have nearly lost to characters that weren't even Vincent. If Vincent had been in that match against Zero Suit Samus, we'd have been looking at a broken Noble 9 thanks to her. And she's going to beat Sephiroth? Sure thing.


So kindly shut up.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 2:15:54 PM | message detail

MoogleKupo141 (#167)
I loved the 8 bit graphics

We need more of them.



8 bit graphics on a 32 inch hd tv = ewww...

Maybe on DS, but not on next gen consoles, no effing way. It just looks horrid and all zoomed in and weird.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/7/2008 2:16:54 PM | message detail
If you honestly believe _______ can still ____ ________ after _________, you're insane. / you're an idiot. / I don't know what to say to you.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/7/2008 2:18:26 PM | message detail
screw this, let's talk about Tim

hell yeah
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/7/2008 2:18:36 PM | message detail
I have no problem with people thinking Mario is stronger than Samus. I know plenty of people do, like Leon, tranny, KH just to name a few. It's this infestation of completely unsubstantiated posts and stupidity that is getting annoying.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 10/7/2008 2:18:56 PM | message detail
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vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 2:19:16 PM | message detail
But I was being facetious too. That makes everything okay now.

Get off your high horse. I couldn't care less whose god you are supposed to be on this board, don't get into debates if you can't do it without flinging insults and resorting to "shut up" responses.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/7/2008 2:21:25 PM | message detail
You posted it multiple times, don't back out with a lame line like "I was being facetious too." I verbally stated I wasn't serious about it immediately. Come on.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 2:22:00 PM | message detail
Samus > Mario in matches without eachother
Mario > Samus when they face eachother


easy as that
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/7/2008 2:27:46 PM | message detail
Right now, I think it goes:

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth

Snake
Samus
Mario

Sonic
Crono
Megaman

The lowest character in each group gets approximately 55% on the highest in the next group (assuming no SFF).
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/7/2008 2:38:23 PM | message detail
what the crap u doing snake
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2008 2:47:07 PM | message detail
I gotta back up EC on his Mario/Samus. It's pretty blatantly obvious you're baiting him, especially with this line:

Nothing like reaching back to 2003 to support your argument. I bet it took you that whole time to write that up, didn't it. You're right, you are so badass. Whatever will I do.

Considering the debate honestly only mattered before their match in 2k5 and Mario's not been around one-on-one since then, those are the only matches he can go to for his argument. That'd be like asking for reasoning of why L-Block can hang with Link and Cloud without using any matches related to last year's contest. You can't show L-Block hangs with them here without that, and likewise you can't show Samus >= Mario without those years.



Onto more worthwhile subjects: Tim is going to suck pretty hard, but at least he's a gfun character.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/7/2008 2:49:20 PM | message detail
Tim doubles Chris Girlfield.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2008 2:53:13 PM | message detail
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#158 Why would MM9 help MM in the slightest? Why would anyone who wasn't already a MM fanboy buy that? I doubt even the hardcore bought since the initial sales were pitiful.


1) It's his first decent game in 15 years. It returns to a formula that works and sheds everything that made his later games suck. Your Sonic Team should take notes.
2) I have a friend who went back and played the Anniversary Collection for the first time because of Mega Man 9. Anecdotal evidence, but it proves that you are wrong.
3) The initial sales were incredibly high for a downloaded game, and we haven't even seen the 360/PSN sales yet.

Just face the facts Smurf, Sonic is a failure and probably the weak link in the Noble Nine, and it will be proven when he loses to Auron and Mega Man beats Snake.
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/7/2008 2:56:10 PM | message detail
Uhh can someone tell me what the Mario/Samus debate is? I have a few ideas; maybe one of these is correct:

1. Mario beats Samus and is stronger with Nintendo SFF, but they are roughly equal outside of that.
2. Mario beats Samus and is stronger with Nintendo SFF, but is also stronger in any other (normal) scenario.
3. Mario and Samus are roughly equal in any (normal) scenario.
4. Samus loses to Mario in a rematch but is stronger than him in any other scenario
5. Samus beats Mario in a rematch and is stronger than him in any other scenario.

ok pick one quick this allows me to judge you as a man
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/7/2008 2:59:04 PM | message detail
5, duh
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/7/2008 3:00:03 PM | message detail
2

I don't buy that Samus is anywhere near as powerful as you all say.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/7/2008 3:01:17 PM | message detail
remember mario supporters you have people like bio and vcharon on your side

come to the dark side
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trannyscience | Posted 10/7/2008 3:01:34 PM | message detail
Samus beats Link
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/7/2008 3:02:16 PM | message detail
indirectly
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/7/2008 3:02:24 PM | message detail
You're SMALL TIME, testicicles.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/7/2008 3:03:21 PM | message detail
what does that even mean
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hailEC | Posted 10/7/2008 3:04:03 PM | message detail
haha what
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/7/2008 3:04:12 PM | message detail
It means he's small time.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/7/2008 3:04:33 PM | message detail
I think Mario is clearly better with Nintendo SFF; compared to Samus, he held up like a champ last year against Link. I'm not as quick to say whether or not he's clearly stronger in non-SFF matches. They could be roughly equal for all we know, but really, this only even matters against one character: Snake. They both still beat everyone below him and lose to everyone above him.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/7/2008 3:04:51 PM | message detail
Luigi beats Link
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/7/2008 3:06:28 PM | message detail
DK beats Link

....Nah forget it, He'll just botch his match again :(
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2008 3:06:55 PM | message detail
Probably between 1 and 2. Mario is stronger, but Samus is close. She just looked a lot worse in that match due to the SFF.
Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/7/2008 3:08:16 PM | message detail
Yoshi beats Mario 1-on-1.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/7/2008 3:09:18 PM | message detail
I think Mario is clearly better with Nintendo SFF; compared to Samus, he held up like a champ last year against Link.

so did Samus, really.

Cloud Strife 28.46% 40836
Samus Aran 16.78% 24078
Link 39.02% 55996
Sephiroth 15.74% 22582
TOTAL VOTES 143492

Sephiroth 31.48% 45633
Mario 22.24% 32239
Link 36.42% 52795
Vincent Valentine 9.85% 14277
TOTAL VOTES 144944

and we're talking about subbing Vincent Valentine for Cloud.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2008 3:11:15 PM | message detail
I like #1 and #2, especially since -- as just mentioned -- it only matters with Snake. I guess since I'd take Mario > Solid > Samus, I have to take #2, but I do feel like in most circumstances it doesn't really matter for even percentages against other characters.
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/7/2008 3:12:14 PM | message detail
I love how you say Sonic is below Mega Man, when we haven't seen what Brawl did to Sonic.

From a few pages ago, I know, but...

Despite how excited I was when Sonic was announced for Brawl, I don't think Brawl is going to do much for him at all. It seems a similar case to those in which Brawl characters who weren't in Melee didn't do as much as people thought they would. Not only that, but unlike Meta Knight or Ike (or Snake, for that matter), Sonic is terrible in Brawl, he's not going to be popular with any Brawl players who didn't already like him from elsewhere. I'd expect Sonic Chronicles to do a lot more for him than Brawl, if anything.

This isn't to say that I know whether Sonic > Mega Man or the other way around; just food for thought.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/7/2008 3:13:20 PM | message detail
Her result looks more impressive at first glance because she beat Sephiroth, but I think Mario came out of last year looking much better. He put up about 38% on Link. Samus put up about 30%. Also, check out Link's totals there. We substitute a much stronger Cloud for Vincent, and Link's percentage goes up 2.5%. Why? Because we also sub Mario for Samus, a character who can't hold up as well and may indeed be weaker.
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