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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 589
| vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 11:42:18 AM | message detail |
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Snake's never going to be able to handle Clinkeroth head on. You guys
need to start off smaller, as suggested. Maybe with Mario, but I still
can't see that either. Samus? Sure, I'd take Snake there. Get this filth out of here. It should be universally agreed on that Samus is stronger than Seph. I've been waiting to take that upset for like 4 years now. lol troll. Mario destroys Samus, Seph destorys Mario. Of course Samus would actually be able to stand up to Seph. --- :> |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 11:43:26 AM | message detail |
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I'd still take Samus > Snake. SSBB hype was the most SSBB did for
Nintendo characters, and the match with Snake happened right after
everyone was creaming their pants over Snake getting into Brawl. The
entire internet was simultaneously orgasming over him, and Samus still
put up over 53% on him. Without MGS4, and brawl coming out, I'd expect
Samus to beat him by even worse than she did then. MGS4 is
out however, but taking into account him losing a step from brawl mania
dying down, I really don't see how it's obvious Snake beats her. I'd
expect him to do a little better than last time, but I still take Samus
for the win. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 11:45:13 AM | message detail |
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lol troll. Mario destroys Samus, Seph destorys Mario. Of course Samus would actually be able to stand up to Seph. Yeah, troll or being facetious. Either way. Samus is still stronger than Mario indirectly, and I still think Samus would have had a hell of a shot at taking down Seph in 2005. I wouldn't take the pic today, with how Nintendo overall seems to have lost a step, but I still think she could have pulled it off 3 years ago. --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2008 11:45:49 AM | message detail |
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I'd take Snake over Samus purely based on favoritism because I wouldn't
be that confident that he wins. Not to say he can't. I'm just not
convinced yet. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/7/2008 11:46:41 AM | message detail |
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Exactly. That's not to mention the fact that everyone seems to think
Mario >> Samus, even though they're pretty much even to each
other (Mario SFFs her). If you think Snake > Samus, then you should
think Snake > Mario as well. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2008 11:47:06 AM | message detail |
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Samus is still stronger than Mario indirectly Still? I'm not convinced she was in 2005. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 11:48:50 AM | message detail |
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Well you should be. Everything we've ever seen says she is, except that
match. I don't know why everyone has such a hard time wrapping their
heads around it. Either every other match Mario and Samus have been in
is an anomaly, or that one match is. Not too tough to call on my part.
(Female bracket never happened) --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 11:50:26 AM | message detail |
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So out of the NN characters that have gone so far how do you think they've compared with their showing last year? For me they underwhelmed a bit. Mega Man, Mario and Snake have all shot below my expectations while Crono and Link have done what was expected but nothing more. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/7/2008 11:52:53 AM | message detail |
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All that shows is that the rest of the field is catching up to them. Which is a good sign. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 11:53:40 AM | message detail |
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So I think this confirms that Mega Man > Snake in round 3 as long as Zero ain't there. Solid **** vs. Mega Man sprite, and Megaman did better in round 1 with same level of competition. GG Snake and your MGS4 deboost --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 11:53:47 AM | message detail |
| Or that protest votes is preventing any real showings of strength. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2008 12:00:06 PM | message detail |
| Keep on dreamin', Mega Man fans! I'll take Vivi to
whip Nero, and I'd take Wesker over Banjo and Olimar. Sackboy wouldn't
be that far behind either one of them either, honestly. And people overestimate the effect of Snake's sprite. The only time Snake beat L-Block was when he had that sprite. Plus, he's far enough ahead of Mega Man that it won't cost him the match. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 10/7/2008 12:02:53 PM | message detail |
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Either every other match Mario and Samus have been in is an anomaly,
or that one match is. Not too tough to call on my part. (Female bracket
never happened) Yeah, every match points to Samus > Mario except for a few matches that I'll choose to ignore because it doesn't support my idea! So there's really nothing that definitive that supports Samus > Mario since 2005. Mostly because we haven't seen Mario one-on-one since 2005. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 12:04:12 PM | message detail |
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Oh come on... you're seriously going to take the female bracket at face value? If so go ahead and take Tifa > Snake. Otherwise stop calling favoritism on my part. --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 12:05:17 PM | message detail |
| And people still don't understand how L-Block works. He gets a consistent percentage. So when there was strong opposition Snake lost to him, when there wasn't he didn't. In Round 3 he got Riku and Kratos, two midcarders. Even with solid **** he was never going to bleed enough % to those two to drag him below the L-Block % range. |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2008 12:08:25 PM | message detail |
| To be honest Snake still looks like the favourite
to win this division, but this match shows that he will never EVER take
down Mario unless Link is in the poll. I dunno about Samus tough... But Nero could be stronger than Vivi. FFIX is now an old RPG and DMC4 is a fresh game in a popular series. No matter what this is not an absolute crappy performance from Snake, but I expected more from someone who is in both of the Goty games. Here it looks like he haven't boost at all. And 8 bit Mega Man VS Solid **** is just unfair, but I think both will win over the Cube even if the fourth character is Zero, Hayabusa or Vivi so that match doesn't matter anyway. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 12:09:53 PM | message detail |
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But Nero could be stronger than Vivi. wtf. I'd take Vivi to break 60% and nearly double that guy. Vivi's no powerhouse but Nero struggled to double bottom rung fodder like Banjo and Olimar. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 12:11:15 PM | message detail |
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LeonhartFour (#112) http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/board8/images//e/ec/Sum04b52.jpg --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| ZFS | Posted 10/7/2008 12:11:22 PM | message detail |
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Solid **** vs. Mega Man sprite, and Megaman did better in round 1 with same level of competition. GG Snake and your MGS4 deboost Better competition? Not unless you think really highly of Nero -- and you shouldn't. Vivi would take Nero pretty easily, Wesker's above Banjo (probably a close loss to Pit), and Sackboy being around Banjo sounds about right. Snake's performance here isn't bad unless you were hoping he'd win the contest (hello). Certainly no reason to start casting all sorts of doubt on him because he's getting 51%. I'm not gonna lie -- I expected him to do better, even if my expectations were intentionally in the clouds (outdoing Link's percentage let's do this), but I'm hardly down on him here. Consider me shocked if he loses to Mega Man in round 3, sprite or no. --- Kept you waiting, huh |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/7/2008 12:14:36 PM | message detail |
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Well my oracle had... Snake - 60% vivi - 20% Wesker- 12% Sackboy - 8% So yeah I thought he'd do alot better. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 12:14:46 PM | message detail |
| Mega Man has been on a slide for years, he barely broke a majority in the weakest match in the contest and Zero jobbed to a lower midcarder. If MM isn't dismantled by the Cube he'll be doing damn well, thinking he can have a shot at Snake or any other noble 9'er is a joke. |
| ZFS | Posted 10/7/2008 12:17:46 PM | message detail |
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but hey maybe this is clearly the result of a brawl pic instead of old snake damn me what was i thinking --- Kept you waiting, huh |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/7/2008 12:35:48 PM | message detail |
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http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/snake.png >_> --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 12:36:46 PM | message detail |
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Samus is still indirectly stronger than Mario? Isn't this where someone says "lol xstats" or something to that effect? Samus is not Mario. Samus will never be Mario. Mario may not always look impressive, but at the end of the day, I trust him to get the job done more than I do Samus. Regardless of the round and picture, which is a lot more than you can say about some of the other Noble 9, who have nearly lost to characters that weren't even Vincent. If Vincent had been in that match against Zero Suit Samus, we'd have been looking at a broken Noble 9 thanks to her. And she's going to beat Sephiroth? Sure thing. --- :> |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 12:38:45 PM | message detail |
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1) Vincent doesn't have a vagina. 2) If Vincent had a vagina, he wouldn't be as strong as he is. 3) Congratulations going against all data and just blindly assuming Mario is better. 4) I already said I wouldn't take Samus > Seph 5) I like numbers --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| ZFS | Posted 10/7/2008 12:40:26 PM | message detail |
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Expecting 60% was pretty crazy -- and I say this as someone who
predicted 62%. Mid-50s should have been where most normal expectations
fell. This is a tougher pack than the one he faced last year and got
58% on. Taking into account MGS4 and Brawl would have kept it close to
that, though he's not hitting the mid-50s here. This isn't a bad
performance, but it's not an impressive one either. --- Kept you waiting, huh |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2008 12:41:13 PM | message detail |
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Sackboy and Snake catchin' that PS3 ASV gogogo --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 12:42:06 PM | message detail |
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Alright, sure thing Einstein. Instead of blindly assuming Mario is
better I'll call everything that doesn't support my argument an
"anomaly" instead. --- :> |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/7/2008 12:42:38 PM | message detail |
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I think this match confirms that the voters have figured out how this
format works. People know guys like Link, Snake, etc. are well above
anyone they're going up against, so they're voting for second place. It
may not be a huge percent, but I could easily see 4-5% of the voters
who would normally vote for one of the big names choosing "Who of the
other three?" --- "Dreaming of one day flying, it practices by leaping off cliffs every day." ~Bagon's Pokedex entry |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 12:45:07 PM | message detail |
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What doesn't support it? Samus/Zelda and Samus/Tifa. Do you think Tifa is stronger than Snake? Do you think Zelda is stronger than Sonic, Crono, MM, Vincent, and so on and so forth? Because if you do, then go ahead and say it wasn't an anomaly. You'll be the dumbest human being ever, but at least you wouldn't be a hypocrite. Those WERE anomalies. --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 10/7/2008 12:46:23 PM | message detail |
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You've essentially got 4 Sony based characters here as well which I
would have thought should suit Snake given that he has a history of
murdering Square and Playstation characters (Squall, Sora, Tanner etc) Wesker not so much, but Vivi should be suffering from him and Sackboy should be getting killed. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/7/2008 12:59:29 PM | message detail |
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Good god this page of the topic has been painful to read. If I see Nero
compared to Vivi or Snake to Cloud again I'm going to punch someone. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/7/2008 12:59:54 PM | message detail |
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And then I'll kick them. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/7/2008 1:01:56 PM | message detail |
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And then I'll finish them off with a FALCON PUNCH! --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness Now we must duel, like two gleaming banjos on a moonlit stoop! -Dimentio, SPM |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2008 1:05:08 PM | message detail |
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I'll throw fish-hooks at them soon-after and reel them in. --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| MasterMoltar | Posted 10/7/2008 1:05:43 PM | message detail |
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well i see ec is doing a fine job of defending samus > mario indirectly so i'll just stay aside (samus > seph supporter since 2005 darn you mario) --- master moltar |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/7/2008 1:06:32 PM | message detail |
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This is making we wonder what we used to talk about during boringass matches in the past. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITS Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| vcharon | Posted 10/7/2008 1:06:38 PM | message detail |
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Do you think Tifa is stronger than Snake? Do you think Zelda is
stronger than Sonic, Crono, MM, Vincent, and so on and so forth?
Because if you do, then go ahead and say it wasn't an anomaly. You'll
be the dumbest human being ever, but at least you wouldn't be a
hypocrite. Those WERE anomalies. Sorry, I'm pretty sure you got to that cake before I was in the bakery. But no, I do not think Tifa is stronger than half the noble 9 and I never said I did. I just said Samus has a weakness when it comes to pics, and Mario does not. It was an effort to show you Mario is more reliable, but I guess it went clear over your head. How about some proof of your argument? Why do I need to prove mine? What has Samus done that Mario could not and has not done? It's clear he is stronger. He wiped the floor with her head on. I don't want to hear about "indirect strength" because there's nothing to back it up? What, she performed better against fodder and midcarders than Mario? What exactly does that prove? --- :> |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/7/2008 1:07:00 PM | message detail |
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I think chicks and stuff. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITS Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2008 1:09:56 PM | message detail |
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Nothing to back it up? Oh ****, not this can of worms again. Get 'em EC. (I personally consider them roughly equal indirectly!) --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| __hiei__ | Posted 10/7/2008 1:23:16 PM | message detail |
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since Nero's strength was being discussed Nero vs Amaterasu who's stronger? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/7/2008 1:24:37 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man > Dante --- *is Dranze* Dedede/Pit/Ryu/Zero - Bracket: Zero > RyuH - Vote: Zero (53/64) |
| Panthera | Posted 10/7/2008 1:30:27 PM | message detail |
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I don't know why people are calling this a weak showing from Snake, it
isn't like he's against pure fodder. Vivi isn't a joke, and Wesker,
while not exactly a pillar of strength, at least isn't bottom of the
barrel, Wander-esque fodder. --- A season of our stolen youth shall teach old hearts to break ~Primordial-The Coffin Ships |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/7/2008 1:35:43 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man has been on a slide for years, he barely broke a majority
in the weakest match in the contest and Zero jobbed to a lower
midcarder. If MM isn't dismantled by the Cube he'll be doing damn well,
thinking he can have a shot at Snake or any other noble 9'er is a joke.
lol smurf. MM>Sonic if a 1v1 match is held tomorrow discuss. --- FC=2707-1375-3667 Codename=Cav |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/7/2008 1:36:05 PM | message detail |
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/good_dick/ lol >_> --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 1:40:27 PM | message detail |
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Sorry, I'm pretty sure you got to that cake before I was in the
bakery. But no, I do not think Tifa is stronger than half the noble 9
and I never said I did. I just said Samus has a weakness when it comes
to pics, and Mario does not. It was an effort to show you Mario is more
reliable, but I guess it went clear over your head. How about some proof of your argument? Why do I need to prove mine? What has Samus done that Mario could not and has not done? It's clear he is stronger. He wiped the floor with her head on. I don't want to hear about "indirect strength" because there's nothing to back it up? What, she performed better against fodder and midcarders than Mario? What exactly does that prove? It didn't go over my head, you did nothing to back up your argument other than telling me that I'm only saying Samus is stronger because I'm throwing out all the "anomalies" that go against Samus > Mario. So I highlighted the two matches that Mario has in his favor to show he's stronger than Samus. Samus/Tifa and Samus/Zelda, both are clearly anomalies, which you yourself just admitted to. So then, clearly we can say that I'm not just throwing the word "anomaly" at every match that doesn't back up my point. Clearly that went over your head. (Man I'm so badass) As for your picture assertion towards ZSS making her "unreliable." There are two good pieces of evidence to dispute that it will have any serious affect on her in the future. First of which, is extremely obvious. Her ZSS pic was completely and utterly unrecognizable to a good amount of voters at the time. It was her pic from the not yet released Brawl. If all you've ever seen before is Power Suit Samus, there's a good chance you wouldn't recognize her. Brawl is out now, and that pic is much more recognizable that i was two years ago. Second, you have female bracket favorite retaliation. Everyone knew Samus was destined to run away with that side of the bracket, and it's not at all unfair to assume that she was receiving a good deal of anti-votes. We saw how Bowser and Ganondorf vastly over-performed in the Villains contest against Sephiroth, only to come back down to earth in the years, and contests to follow. Proof for my argument? Well since apparently you don't want to look at every match Mario and Samus have had since ever, I guess I'll have to highlight it for you. 2003: Samus loses to Link 62/38. Mario loses to Seph 62/38. Mega Man loses to Seph 62/38. Mario goes 50/50 with Crono, and lets Shadow get 45 on him. Mario places ahead of Samus in the stats by .2% thanks to some freaky Seph/Cloud crap that allowed Seph to get 49%. 2004: Samus gets 41% on Cloud, and beats Sonic into oblivion with 57.5% of the vote. Mario loses to Crono 53-47. Samus finishes in the stats 8% higher than Mario. Not to mention in 2004 Samus looked strong as ever decimating Frog and giving it to Ganon pretty good before getting rSFF'd by Mario. Samus has just flat-out always looked stronger in their matches against quality opponents. --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2008 1:41:24 PM | message detail |
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lol smurf. MM>Sonic if a 1v1 match is held tomorrow discuss. Nah, I don't think Sonic would destroy him but it wouldn't be a nailbitter. Ah 2005, my two favourite characters against each other, and it was the closest match that year...... Wow 2005 sucked bad. Think how bad it would've been without Vincent, or the Knux > Magus upset. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| GameZACKS | Posted 10/7/2008 1:42:40 PM | message detail |
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*Not to mention in 2005 --- LONG LIVE GAMEZACKS |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2008 1:42:50 PM | message detail |
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MM > Sonic by a bigger ration than 2005 Sonic's fans are finally becoming disheartened by the Sonic franchise while Mega Man just got his best game in 15 years. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2008 1:45:15 PM | message detail |
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And holy zombie jesus, people STILL think Samus > Mario? Anyways, with everything we've seen so far this year, the Noble Nine is likely: Link Cloud Sephiroth Mario Samus Snake Mega Man Sonic Crono And after CT:DS comes out, Crono will join Mega Man and Snake leaving Sonic once again the ass end of the Noble Nine. lol sonic |
