GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 588
| MasaHikoTron | Posted 10/5/2008 10:40:22 PM | message detail |
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Ryu Hayubusa is so screwed ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~ http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/ ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MasaHikoTron | Posted 10/5/2008 10:48:21 PM | message detail |
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So who likes Snake > Sackboy tomorrow? >_> --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 10:48:50 PM | message detail |
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sackboy will get about 8% imo --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 10:48:55 PM | message detail |
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Sackboy is going nowhere fast. The kiddies don't like clever joke entries, only items. --- :> |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/5/2008 10:50:42 PM | message detail |
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Sackboy will probably end up as super fodder. --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness Now we must duel, like two gleaming banjos on a moonlit stoop! -Dimentio, SPM |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 10:51:46 PM | message detail |
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Tomorrow we'll be talking about who would win 1v1 Jade vs Sackboy Though an unreleased character would prolly kill Jade tho --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 10:52:01 PM | message detail |
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See now it's closer to when I'd expect the true night vote to start,
and now Ryu Hayabusa's making consistent cuts. Still like his
positioning here. Mega Man characters are always pretty frontloaded. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 10:52:51 PM | message detail |
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If Ryu makes a 3rd cut in a row here I might take it seriously. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 10:54:48 PM | message detail |
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Brawlfail list: Diddy, Olimar, DDD, Pit, Lucas, Nana and Lucario. He'd have failed if he had a credible opponent. Big fail. The only "because of Brawl" characters that deserve to be in this contest are Marth, Falcon and Ness. Everyone else that needs to be in would get in from their own games. That's seven slots that could have been filled by proven performers like Yuna, Rikku, Aerith, Diablo, etc. Yeah Diablo is questionable, but it'd at least let us get a look at his strength. Something that's MUCH more interesting than watching these Nintendo fodders duke it out for last place by a mile. --- :> |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 10:56:38 PM | message detail |
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So much for triple cuts. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MasaHikoTron | Posted 10/5/2008 10:57:37 PM | message detail |
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The way I see it, some of those characters(See Diddy and Lucario) were
totally worth a shot. But now that we know they suck we won't have to
let them return. Sure people like Yuna, AERIS(Not Aerith for the love
of god), and Diablo got snubbed, but eh, whatever, one year won't kill
em. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 10:57:39 PM | message detail |
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vcharon (#009) Diablo has more then proved himself to be in a 128 contest field. If Kefka makes it in every year, and Diablo has proved to be stronger then Kefka, then he should be here every year as well. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 10:58:35 PM | message detail |
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MasaHikoTron (#011) The problem with those characters is even if you dont look at Brawl characters... why would someone like Captain MacMillan or Sackboy get in over those proven characters? --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MasaHikoTron | Posted 10/5/2008 10:59:17 PM | message detail |
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seriously though we either get an overpopulation of nintendo characters or Final Fantasy characters does it really make THAT big of a difference? >_> --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 10:59:55 PM | message detail |
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I'm still pretty sure Aeris and Yuffie got game capped Which is total BS considering that there are 29 characters from Brawl in here. I mean, okay, some don't rely on Brawl to get in, but a lot of em do and can be nominated from another game. It's pretty criminal. Like anyone nominated Pit based on Kid Icarus I mean really. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| MasaHikoTron | Posted 10/5/2008 11:00:21 PM | message detail |
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The problem with those characters is even if you dont look at Brawl
characters... why would someone like Captain MacMillan or Sackboy get
in over those proven characters? Now this is a more legit argument IMO. Joke characters hog, pun intended, up the stage this year. And I love, but the over abundance of jokes this year is ridiculous. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 11:00:33 PM | message detail |
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Difference is: Final Fantasy doesn't produce fodder for this contest. Nintendoes. --- :> |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:01:19 PM | message detail |
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Doesn't explain Yunas snub. She even beat Alucard last year, and
Alucard is a favoriet to make it to round 3 this year. And no cap for
FFX since only 2 characters are in the contest. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| -LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/5/2008 11:02:03 PM | message detail |
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Aww yeah, Pit making some good cuts right now. --- Luster Soldier - Popular at school. ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:02:06 PM | message detail |
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vcharon (#017) Eh, Square has fodder too. Look at Cecil. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| MasaHikoTron | Posted 10/5/2008 11:02:59 PM | message detail |
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Difference is: Final Fantasy doesn't produce fodder for this contest. Nintendoes. Chances are those FF characters would either A: Get SFF'd by Sephiroth, Cloud, or Auron B: Only ONE of them would probably have a chance of having interesting bracket placement So honestly, not too big of a deal. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:06:10 PM | message detail |
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Something I do find amusing is alot of these fodderific Brawl
characters make it, and its like the entire roster... yet somehow Peach
doesn't, when she's proven to be not total fodder before, even beating
Jill. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| transience | Posted 10/5/2008 11:06:24 PM | message detail |
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Pit and DDD aren't failing here. what did you expect splitting a fanbase against two strong characters? this is a pretty cool match. two matches going on at once. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| creativename | Posted 10/5/2008 11:07:35 PM | message detail |
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Difference is: Final Fantasy doesn't produce fodder for this contest. Nintendoes. Hah, awesome! And generally true as well, as long as you're talking about the big Final Fantasy games on this site. They have an almost endless supply of worthwhile characters, some of whom would even be potential movers and shakers. I mean seriously. We can Brawl utter CRAP like this instead of freakin' Red XIII?!?! --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/5/2008 11:07:41 PM | message detail |
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Hahaha, thats true. Peach did get Snubed. didnt realise that till now <_< --- Warning, there is a bear right behind you. Ride Him. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:07:42 PM | message detail |
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transience (#023) One of the best parts of 4way format is the possibilty of this happening --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 11:07:49 PM | message detail |
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FFIV will be the chink in my armor. I'll agree that Diddy deserved a chance, but not because of Brawl. Lucario... no. No more Pokemon, please. My point was that if you put almost any FF character in place of some of these big brawl floppers, you'd have a lot more interesting of a match. Obviously it depends on placement... I mean Tifa is a powerhouse, but she got stuck with Sephiroth. So yeah, that amounted to nothing in the end. Does it mean Tifa shouldn't be in this contest? Of course not, she's easily in the top 15 strongest, non-joke, characters. Put Yuna in Lucario's place, and not only would she not be fighting with freaking Isaac for second, but I'm fairly confident she'd have given Altair a run for first. And yeah, I think Pit/DDD are underperforming. I looked at the predictions and they should be doing better according to most of you gurus. --- :> |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:09:54 PM | message detail |
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I saw quite a few Gurus having Dedede and Pit near 20% each. So yes, this is underperforming. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:14:39 PM | message detail |
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Oh, come now. We have plenty of Square fodder as well - Cecil, Rydia,
Kain, Neku, and Sho, and a few notable failures in Roxas, Balthier and
Kefka. Blame the nominators that we get those chumps instead of the
entire cast of FFVII (though, I personally like the chumps quite a bit
more). --- Mustache...and green... |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:16:14 PM | message detail |
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nominate gilgamesh next year guys --- CB7 Score: 56/72 http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg || http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:17:28 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and Fei and Ramza, though the latter was given a good shot to advance (sort of like Lucario...) --- Mustache...and green... |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:17:51 PM | message detail |
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http://www.ffcompendium.com/EspMon/gilgamesh8-b.jpg --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:18:13 PM | message detail |
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Fei isn't really fodder based on his match this year. --- CB7 Score: 56/72 http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg || http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:18:24 PM | message detail |
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RPGuy96 (#031) jokeFEAR --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 11:22:12 PM | message detail |
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Dedede's lead down to 85. He looks like he may be in last soon, losing updates to Pit for quite a bit here. --- :> |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/5/2008 11:26:34 PM | message detail |
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Apparently there were those that thought stuffing the bracket with fodder characters would make for a better contest overall... --- Isaac and Princess Kumatora for SSB4! SSBB Mains: Zelda, Peach, Lucas, Ness Now we must duel, like two gleaming banjos on a moonlit stoop! -Dimentio, SPM |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 11:29:23 PM | message detail |
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HeroicTronBonne (#026) transience (#023) One of the best parts of 4way format is the possibilty of this happening More like the only good thing about this format! And wow, from the talk of all this brawlfail, some of you had hopes for Pit and Dedede to not look bad here. You can't put two solid high-midcarders in a match with two high-end fodder brawl characters who draw from the same pool and expect the Nintendo guys to look good. --- Moltar Status: augh Dedede/Pit/Ryu H./Zero - Bracket: Zero > Ryu H. - Vote: Pit (55/72) |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:30:56 PM | message detail |
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Lucario... no. No more Pokemon, please. My point was that if you put
almost any FF character in place of some of these big brawl floppers,
you'd have a lot more interesting of a match. Obviously it depends on
placement... I mean Tifa is a powerhouse, but she got stuck with
Sephiroth. So yeah, that amounted to nothing in the end. Does it mean
Tifa shouldn't be in this contest? Of course not, she's easily in the
top 15 strongest, non-joke, characters. No more Pokemon, but we need a bunch more FF characters? We've never had more than four Pokemon get in at once, so it's not like they're overrunning the contest... Pikachu and Mewtwo for sure need to keep coming back, and Mudkip is seemingly inevitable, but Charizard and Jigglypuff definitely deserve to make an appearance too since they actually have potential... --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, Steve! |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 11:31:10 PM | message detail |
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I didn't expect them to look good personally, it's just that a lot of
people apparently did. I just think they were a huge waste of space, as
it never made any sense to me for people like Olimar or Diddy to be
coming in second in matches, or for Lucario to come in first. I'll admit, they are doing worse than I expected though. The only ones that have looked good were Falcon and Marth. --- :> |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 11:32:34 PM | message detail |
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No more Pokemon, but we need a bunch more FF characters? We've never
had more than four Pokemon get in at once, so it's not like they're
overrunning the contest... Pikachu and Mewtwo for sure need to keep
coming back, and Mudkip is seemingly inevitable, but Charizard and
Jigglypuff definitely deserve to make an appearance too since they
actually have potential... You're right. I personally don't like pokemon in the contest because I consider them generic creatures... but the rules are gone to hell now anyway. I agree, but it seems when a new pokemon gets in the contest, they are the ones who are going to suck (Lucario, Nidoran F wtf). --- :> |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:36:02 PM | message detail |
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You're right. I personally don't like pokemon in the contest because
I consider them generic creatures... but the rules are gone to hell now
anyway. I agree, but it seems when a new pokemon gets in the contest,
they are the ones who are going to suck (Lucario, Nidoran F wtf). Lucario made sense to be strong when we thought Brawl was going to make characters great... and Nidoran F was just a joke that no one outside the people who nominated her really "got". But Jigglypuff is the only original SSB character yet to make the field and Charizard could legitimately be the most popular Pokemon, so they probably won't suck... probably. Charizard should be up there with Pikachu and Mewtwo, Jigglpuff may not be quite that high, but still not bad. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, Steve! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:40:06 PM | message detail |
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MoogleKupo141 (#038) The only Pokemon that should be in the contest is Pikachu. All other pokemon are just bait for joke votes and make the contest look stupid overall when actual characters are being defeated by some stupid generic monster. Its the same as having like, random lizard enemy from FF6 in it. --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| creativename | Posted 10/5/2008 11:41:15 PM | message detail |
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Charizard should absolutely make it over this endless river of Nintenchumps. Why "No more Pokemon"? Why "No more FF7"? If they're strong enough and exciting characters who'll generate lots of debate and speculation, and potentially advance far, not to mention increase vote totals because of their strength, bring 'em on. And get the fodder trash the F out of here. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:42:08 PM | message detail |
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The only Pokemon that should be in the contest is Pikachu. All other
pokemon are just bait for joke votes and make the contest look stupid
overall when actual characters are being defeated by some stupid
generic monster. Its the same as having like, random lizard enemy from
FF6 in it. Mewtwo isn't bait for joke votes at all... I don't think Mewtwo even counts as a "generic monster" since there's only one of them in the entire game... and then there's the part where he was a fighting game character. He's definitely legitimate. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, Steve! |
| transience | Posted 10/5/2008 11:43:07 PM | message detail |
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Mewtwo's stronger than Pikachu, or at least as strong epic stall by Pit here! woo Pit --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:43:08 PM | message detail |
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Mewtwo maybe. But get these Mudkipz, Bidoofs, Nidorans or whatever else out of the contest --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| vcharon | Posted 10/5/2008 11:43:55 PM | message detail |
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Mewtwo is a legitimate character. I consider Pikachu, Jigglypuff and
Lucario legitimate characters for the purposes of this contest because
of SSB. --- :> |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 11:46:38 PM | message detail |
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I miss back when CjayC didnt allow any pokemon characters into the
contest outside of Pikachu (And nidoran just cuz she was so heavily
nommed and he needed a female character to be fodder for samus).
Because seriously, pokemon characters ARE joke characters outside of
the Smash Bros ones --- Albion Hero http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:46:47 PM | message detail |
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So Zero is up by 630 now and still climbing. Looks like Ryu is really
going to be behind by a lot by the time his daytime advantage rolls
around --- Contest Point Total: 55 Rank: 98.2%tile, Tied for 509 This Pick: Zero > Ryu |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:48:32 PM | message detail |
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Mewtwo is a legitimate character. I consider Pikachu, Jigglypuff and
Lucario legitimate characters for the purposes of this contest because
of SSB. Charizard qualifies now under that definition too yay ^_^ And actually, a lot of Pokemon qualify technically as non-generic characters from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games where there are specific ones... like how Toad or Yoshi qualify despite all the Toads and Yoshis. .. not that we should be nominating all of them Mewtwo maybe. But get these Mudkipz, Bidoofs, Nidorans or whatever else out of the contest I'm definitely not encouraging the Mudkips and such, but Pikachu and Mewtwo have proven their worthiness and Jigglypuff and Charizard deserve at least one shot to prove themselves since Charizard especially has very good potential, and Jigglypuff should at least be able to beat Ness and some other guys.. although I wouldn't be so in to Jiggly getting in if she weren't the only original SSB character not to do it. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, Steve! |
