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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 587

HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:38:01 PM | message detail
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Pit wasn't complete fodder last year, and should get a boost for being a casual favorite in BRawl. From what I hear of DDD, is he's more of a technical character and not a casual character, So I wouldn't expect much of him outside of pre Brawl strength. I think its silly for people to be overestimating DDD.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 8:39:56 PM | message detail
DDD is popular among casuals, just not as much as Pit, and is also popular among the Kirby fanbase. Pit may edge him out, but I see it as unlikely.

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transience | Posted 10/5/2008 8:40:41 PM | message detail
Pit's gotta be the more accessible character when talking purely on Brawl.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:40:46 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato (#200)
If there's one thing I won't miss when we return to 1 on 1 matches (hopefully), it's seeing characters screwed over by LFF.

Amen.

Also, if we get 4-ways again, I won't even bother making a bracket. I'll nominate and that's that.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/5/2008 8:44:23 PM | message detail
I've got a feeling Ryu is going to overperform here. Maybe even put the fear into Zero with the day vote. Something about this match doesn't sit well with me, and that's the only remotely possible upset.
satai_delenn | Posted 10/5/2008 8:47:15 PM | message detail
I dunno...I took Dedede over Pit here by a narrow margin, for two reasons. One is that Dedede should have more support from outside Brawl, and the other is that I actually wouldn't put it past Pit to get some antivotes from Brawl players. Almost everyone I've ever played Brawl with goes "oh god ugh Pit so cheap and horrible I hate him." I'm not sure if that translates to general hate or just "I hate to play against him", but I'd be surprised if he didn't get any antivotes.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:48:32 PM | message detail
http://www.pinkgodzillagames.com/news/pit-thumb.jpg

Pit gets the Captain N vote.
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CP724 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:49:18 PM | message detail
Ryu is going to win.
Karma Hunter | Posted 10/5/2008 8:49:35 PM | message detail
Also, people are taking Dedede over Pit? I'll believe it when I see it, folks - Pit will murder Dedede on design and Brawl favorability, and the rest doesn't even come into play. Casual, technical - these words don't apply.
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transience | Posted 10/5/2008 8:50:58 PM | message detail
Pit is definitely the stronger character from Brawl. no idea how much Kirby helps DDD.
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Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 8:51:05 PM | message detail
Giant Penguin with a hammer getting murdered on principle of design?

Not so fast, friend!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 8:51:32 PM | message detail
DDD is a giant penguin. It's hard to get a cooler design than that.

Seriously though, I don't think I've met a single person who didn't like DDD's character design.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/5/2008 8:51:33 PM | message detail
But I wouldn't be surprised if Pit gets anti-voted...
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:52:05 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#212)
DDD is a giant penguin. It's hard to get a cooler design than that.

Seriously though, I don't think I've met a single person who didn't like DDD's character design.



You've just met one.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/5/2008 8:52:11 PM | message detail
Round 1

Division 5- Match 3

Dedede


lol brawlfodder

Pit

lol more brawlfodder

Ryu Hayabusa

Ryu was very impressive last year, and has since had Ninja Gaiden 2. Given a better placement (y halo division 1) he could have done some serious damage.

Zero

aww yeah

Analysis

Zero > Ryu

That's really all there is to say here. Both looked good last year, but Zero was still a cut above Ryu. There is a chance that Ryu could make it interesting here with the ASV, but I can't see Zero losing. The only other thing to talk about is which of the brawlfodder characters will win, and frankly I couldn't care less.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Zero 38%, Ryu 34%, Dedede 14%, Pit 14%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Zero > Ryu
TuRtLe's Vote: Zero
Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 8:52:26 PM | message detail
Like you count.
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hailEC | Posted 10/5/2008 8:52:28 PM | message detail
you can't get anti-voted in a 4-way

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 8:52:43 PM | message detail
Pit will murder Dedede on design and Brawl favorability

And we've all seen how much Brawl will do for a character.

Dedede, I believe, should be the favorite over Pit because he has the Kirby games to fall back on. Then again, I have no idea how popular the Kirby games actually are here, so who knows.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 8:52:43 PM | message detail
Like you count.

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/5/2008 8:53:04 PM | message detail
Stupid Photoshop, I wanted to make a Zero pic :(
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satai_delenn | Posted 10/5/2008 8:54:03 PM | message detail
I think you can if there are two characters from the same game. Brawl fans who would vote for one or the other may anti-vote Pit in favor of Dedede. I dunno that it will make a gigantic difference, but I don't think it's a non-factor.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:54:03 PM | message detail
A penguin with a big hammer to me just looks dumb. But then again, I never saw him before he was announced for brawl, let alone HEARD of him, so maybe I would like his design more if I knew him from previous games.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/5/2008 8:54:26 PM | message detail
i'm pretty confident Pit > Dedede. after seeing Olimar and Meta-Knight, i think Dedede is going to get the less end of the stick.

being in the trailer can't hurt, either.
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transience | Posted 10/5/2008 8:55:13 PM | message detail
I'll vote Pit here, woo Pit
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/5/2008 8:55:27 PM | message detail
And we've all seen how much Brawl will do for a character.

Even by your normally adept standards of missing the point, this is exceptional - when talking exclusively about two characters whose main sources of strength are SSBB, Brawl favorability matters.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:55:29 PM | message detail

MarioSuperstar (#223)
being in the trailer can't hurt, either.



This is a good point as well. Some of the strongest newcomers we've seen were in the trailer.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 8:56:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, Wario sure did great.

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hailEC | Posted 10/5/2008 8:56:33 PM | message detail
I think you can if there are two characters from the same game. Brawl fans who would vote for one or the other may anti-vote Pit in favor of Dedede. I dunno that it will make a gigantic difference, but I don't think it's a non-factor.

That's not an anti-vote. That's like DDD more.

seriously what the hell

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satai_delenn | Posted 10/5/2008 8:57:17 PM | message detail
I'll vote Pit here, woo Pit

Pit's got my vote. I just fear for him.
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creativename | Posted 10/5/2008 8:57:30 PM | message detail
Man, I missed a ton of stats topics.

Next match I expect Dedede to bomb, and Hayabusa to do well.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/5/2008 8:57:59 PM | message detail
I think Hayabusa actually has a chance to upset, though I'm not taking it. Hayabusa beat Riku/Roxas last year when there was a lot of percentage to give and barely lost to Riku the next round when Solid was in the poll, so let's just say Hayabusa = Riku last year...

...in 2k6, Riku got ~45% on Yoshi. Yoshi and Luigi were approximately the same level that year, and Zero got ~46% on Luigi that year. For the sake of this idea, we're ignoring Hayabusa's poor performance against Dante because of how he did last year. Through this, Hayabusa is barely behind Zero...so throw in NG2 now and it could get interesting.


i don't really like bouncing that much back and forth between one-on-one and four-way matches, but that's something that may be worth considering. Still, Zero's my clear favorite.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/5/2008 8:58:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, Wario sure did great.

well a heck lot better than Olimar anyway.

there's nothing to tell me Dedede would even get as close to what Wario did.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/5/2008 8:58:28 PM | message detail
Anyone not expecting Zero+Ryu to break 70% here are fooling themselves. 2 bottom tier Brawl characters are going to be killing eachother, and Ryu/Zero have a different enough fanbase.
XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 8:58:29 PM | message detail
when talking exclusively about two characters whose main sources of strength are SSBB, Brawl favorability matters.

Except Brawl seems to be doing nothing for characters this year. How much did Olimar go up since his last match? MK? Wario?

I could be wrong here. I'm not saying it's definitely going to go one way or another. But I'm sticking with Dedede until proven otherwise.
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hailEC | Posted 10/5/2008 8:59:37 PM | message detail
Except Brawl seems to be doing nothing for characters this year. How much did Olimar go up since his last match? MK? Wario?

are you serious?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 8:59:58 PM | message detail
Soul, Ike and MK definitely increased from last year.

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:15 PM | message detail
King Dedede 10%

2
Pit 15%

3
Ryu Hayabusa 15%

3
Zero 60%

12
TOTAL VOTES 20

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:16 PM | message detail
King Dedede 13.33%

2
Pit 13.33%

2
Ryu Hayabusa 6.67%

1
Zero 66.67%

10
TOTAL VOTES 15

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Xcarvenger | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:21 PM | message detail
King Dedede 0%

0
Pit 20%

1
Ryu Hayabusa 20%

1
Zero 60%

3
TOTAL VOTES 5
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Merc25 | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:29 PM | message detail
King Dedede 26.37%

24
Pit 10.99%

10
Ryu Hayabusa 23.08%

21
Zero 39.56%

36
TOTAL VOTES 91
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SHINE GET 64 | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:31 PM | message detail
King Dedede 20%

2
Pit 10%

1
Ryu Hayabusa 10%

1
Zero 60%

6
TOTAL VOTES 10
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:32 PM | message detail
King Dedede 25.93% 35
Pit 14.81% 20
Ryu Hayabusa 23.7% 32
Zero 35.56% 48
TOTAL VOTES 135

Go fat penguin!
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 9:00:58 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#236)
Soul, Ike and MK definitely increased from last year.



Didn't advance either one.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/5/2008 9:01:11 PM | message detail
Okay, I stand corrected... Ryu's making it awful uncomfortable with the board vote...
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 9:01:42 PM | message detail
Wow. I was so wrong. It's VERY close. geese. Ryu is a badass.
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transience | Posted 10/5/2008 9:01:58 PM | message detail
hmmmm

I have utterly no idea what to expect here, other than confirming my thoughts on Hayabusa being pretty good (or confirming that Zero sucks who knows)
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/5/2008 9:02:07 PM | message detail
I figured Dedede was favored by the Brawl fans. I mean... look at him. Look at his face.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/5/2008 9:02:12 PM | message detail
You can't fault MK for not beating Ryu and the returning champion, and Ike can't be faulted for being LFF'd.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 9:02:18 PM | message detail
Holy Hayabusa

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/5/2008 9:02:23 PM | message detail
Hayabusa wants to make this interesting.

Board vote goes to DDD instead of Pit. Figured that was going to happen.

Now lets play the waiting game.
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