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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 587

KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 6:44:20 AM | message detail
BrawlFEAR more like ZeldaFEAR 2.0

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html

~*aprosenf's poll script*~
http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.

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Bracket:
http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 7:10:59 AM | message detail
slow day is slow

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Bracket:
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paulg235 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:12:45 AM | message detail
Who really gave a **** about Olimar, anyway?
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ffmasterjose | Posted 10/5/2008 7:46:36 AM | message detail
I'm so glad I didn't let BRAWLFEAR make me take Olimar for second. It was close though o_0
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51/68 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII
NP: Mega Man > Nero
Karma Hunter | Posted 10/5/2008 7:49:31 AM | message detail
I never got why people thought Olimar had a chance here, although I never thought he'd do so poorly as to lose to Banjo.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:53:23 AM | message detail
What he said^
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Spot on.
ffmasterjose | Posted 10/5/2008 7:56:01 AM | message detail
Also, reasons why I think Sandbag won't be having a "Cinderella run" ala' L-Block:

1. Ridiculously stiff competition. Just in his first match alone he's got Magus. Normally I wouldn't have said that...but Chrono Trigger is 2/2 this year so far. Both Crono and Frog looked great this year. I'm a little anxious to say it's all because of Chrono Trigger DS on the horizon, but that must be helping them at least a little.

Oh, silly me. I forgot to mention Sonic the Hedgehog. Now even though Sonic characters are 0/3 this year so far, I'm counting on the chill-dog loving Hedgehog to kick ass and take names, even though he doesn't fair too well in this format. He's still a Noble Niner. And had L-Block been up against this kind of competition last year, he wouldn't have made it anywhere near this Division.

Just assuming he gets past Magus with Sonic, he's also got Auron in the next round. And Sephiroth in the same Division. Two NNers is one hell of a mountain to scale, and I just don't think the Bag can pull it off. Bad placement unfortunately.

At least it's gonna tear up Commander Shepard :P

Hmm....guess I don't have any more reasons aside from that

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51/68 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII
NP: Mega Man > Nero
croy3 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:36:07 AM | message detail
I'm assuming everyone had megaman getting 50%+?
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smitelf | Posted 10/5/2008 8:37:57 AM | message detail
Against this competition I'm actually disappointed that he's not doing better, but maybe I underestimated Nero's popularity.
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croy3 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:41:35 AM | message detail
Yeah he's better than i thought too
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/5/2008 8:43:36 AM | message detail
more like Nero's Dante-look-alike factor
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Today's prediction: Super Fighting Robot 52.04% - Necro 21.56% - Olimar 15.30% - Banjo 11.10%
Status: meh
hailEC | Posted 10/5/2008 9:54:02 AM | message detail
Nero being essentially equal to Olimar and Banjo combined brings me endless joy.

man olimar is pathetic
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/5/2008 9:58:43 AM | message detail
I just went to the Nuts & Bolts board to see how they're reacting. Seems they're anti-voting Banjo based on the pic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/5/2008 10:10:07 AM | message detail
Heh, cool guys.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 10:11:17 AM | message detail
It's sad knowing that Banjo is this weak. His two N64 games were top notch.
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Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 10:22:19 AM | message detail
It's fantastic knowing Banjo is this weak. His two N64 games were generic collectathon crap.
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude.
Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe
_Hogger_ | Posted 10/5/2008 10:23:24 AM | message detail

Lopen (#016)
It's fantastic knowing Banjo is this weak. His two N64 games were generic collectathon crap.



Sad to know that the collection character is likely to do better then Banjo himself.
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Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 10:25:13 AM | message detail
Kinda doubt it, really. Jinjo is a joke character most of the Internet won't get.

Then again I guess most of the Internet not getting you is enough to top this terrible performance.
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Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude.
Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe
TestIcicles | Posted 10/5/2008 10:26:22 AM | message detail
nobody expects jinjo > black haired cloud

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 10:27:29 AM | message detail
It's fantastic knowing Banjo is this weak. His two N64 games were generic collectathon crap.

Collectathons are amazing.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/5/2008 10:28:28 AM | message detail
Did Jinjo ever say that line? I can't remember.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls
Character Battle 2008: Points 49/64 Today's Match: Mega Man > Nero
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/5/2008 10:28:59 AM | message detail
I gotta ask one more time: isn't Jinjo a very tiny Internet joke? I hardly ever see it even here...
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 10:29:34 AM | message detail
When I screwed up that last match I only dropped 200 ranks...I only got 1 point for Tidus > DK BUT with the amount of people that picked lolimar(about half), I should get all of that back and more after this one....wow.

How do half the people pick somebody who only gets 11%.

Only another note, Nero is lookin pretty good for a new character.
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Contest Point Total: 51 Rank: 97%tile, Tied for 753
This Pick: Megaman > Nero
XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 10:38:48 AM | message detail
I gotta ask one more time: isn't Jinjo a very tiny Internet joke? I hardly ever see it even here...

Compared to WCC/Mudkip/L-Block? Yes. It should perform about as well as Sandbag. A nice third place showing.
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 10/5/2008 10:44:24 AM | message detail
Banjo-Kazooie is pretty much the best platformer on the N64. I enjoyed it more than SM64 I thought in the end. It's pretty sad to see the direction the series is going in, unless N&B massively surprises.
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"Eet's game time..."
XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 10:46:35 AM | message detail
N&B shouldn't count in the BK series. It's a completely different game.

It's like counting the DK Jungle Beat games in the same series as DKC/DK64.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 11:08:22 AM | message detail
Ok, it's time for my next guarantee! Right now I'm 2-0 since I'm not counting the Arthas > Ike pick (I was ultimately right, but my reasoning was completely wrong).

Sandbag will not place in his first round match.

Reason: Brawl characters have sucked big time in these things, and he is a Brawl character. People think because he's a joke, he'll advance. Those people are wrong. L-Block is self explanatory. Cube is a huge internet hit, and had an easy first round. Sandbag is just an item from Brawl, and the only fans of it are people who believe in JokeFEAR (tm), or believe that Brawl is going to kick major ass here, which has already proved to be wrong.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 11:10:48 AM | message detail
Sandbag was in Melee too.

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Bracket:
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/5/2008 11:11:22 AM | message detail
Why is Nuts & Bolts so much different from the previous incarnations of BK? I don't follow gaming news like I used to, but I was thinking about picking up Nuts and Bolts when it was released just because of how much I loved it on the 64, not playing an adventure game in forever, and only having access to a 360.

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_Hogger_ | Posted 10/5/2008 11:18:29 AM | message detail
Nuts and Bolts is a vehicle combat game.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 11:19:04 AM | message detail
I don't follow gaming news like I used to, but I was thinking about picking up Nuts and Bolts when it was released just because of how much I loved it on the 64, not playing an adventure game in forever, and only having access to a 360.

It's not an adventure game. You go through levels and find parts for vehicles. Then you build those vehicles and go to other levels. That's pretty much it.
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TestIcicles | Posted 10/5/2008 11:20:37 AM | message detail
who the hell thought that would be a good idea

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 11:21:53 AM | message detail
Rare.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:36:58 AM | message detail
Man, nice night vote from Nero.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:38:07 AM | message detail

XxSoulxX (#031)
Rare.



This somehow answers "How" and "Why" also.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/5/2008 11:40:46 AM | message detail
Mega Man 50%
Nero 32.40%
Banjo 21.41%
Olimar 19.00%

Nero 50%
Banjo 36.24%
Olimar 32.86%

Banjo 50%
Olimar 46.26%

Sad thing is that Olimar's performance is better than what he did in 2003.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls
Character Battle 2008: Points 49/64 Today's Match: Mega Man > Nero
Shaggy_Heru | Posted 10/5/2008 11:52:20 AM | message detail
how do we view our brackets and stat pages for past year's contests?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/5/2008 12:20:45 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Donkey Kong | Tails | Tidus | Cube
PHV | 20.62% | 14.52% | 28.77% | 36.08% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 20.71% | 14.42% | 31.82% | 33.05% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 21.92% | 15.60% | 33.24% | 29.24% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 22.54% | 15.30% | 31.40% | 30.77% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 20.42% | 14.63% | 32.27% | 32.68% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 20.42% | 13.73% | 32.59% | 33.26% | (22:00-24:00)

The Cube has an awesome Power Hour and a good first night vote. Picked it back up in the afternoon and second night after a bad morning and early day vote. Tidus's best time was the early morning, and DK's was the early afternoon. DK and Tails really didn't shift too much, and once the match hit noon, Tidus and Cube basically stalled all day.

Yesterday's stats:

Weighted Companion Cube – 50.00%
Tidus – 49.62%
Donkey Kong – 39.74%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 31.50%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/5/2008 12:28:48 PM | message detail
Also, I can't decide if Nero is doing really well or Mega Man is doing really badly. Nero's got a quarter of the votes here, getting doubled by Mega Man (which isn't too bad, really), and he's got about as much as Banjo and Olimar combined.

At the same time, Mega Man is struggling to get 50% here, and he got 50.49% last year against KOS-MOS, Diablo, and Arthas. I have a hard time believing Nero, Banjo, and Olimar is a tougher trio.

Either way, Nero vs. Arthas: Who you got?
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
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_Hogger_ | Posted 10/5/2008 12:30:25 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#039)
Either way, Nero vs. Arthas: Who you got?



joke post
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/5/2008 12:34:29 PM | message detail
The fact that you won't give a serious reply only belies how nervous such a question makes you!
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
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_Hogger_ | Posted 10/5/2008 12:35:36 PM | message detail
Arthas would do 65-35 on Nero.

His strength last match is the weakest he'll look this contest. Blizzard characters are weakest first round, then get stronger per round due to rallying. Just look at Diablo and Starcraft. We haven't seen anything from Arthas yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/5/2008 12:37:41 PM | message detail
Arthas would do 65-35 on Nero.

...Arthas = Mega Man?
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi
_Hogger_ | Posted 10/5/2008 12:39:52 PM | message detail
Well maybe not that much, but I can seriously not see Arthas getting under 60% on Nero. Hell, I think that Arthas might be the best bet to knock L Block out of this contest.

Since it'll most likely be Crono/Block/Alucard/Arthas, and thats within days of Wotlk, and Blizzard rallying will be massive then, its just who can rally more. I expect that match to have insane votals, possibly over 200k
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Vote for Arthas Menethil in the Character Contest!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/5/2008 12:40:43 PM | message detail
I think that Arthas might be the best bet to knock L Block out of this contest.

Speaking of joke post!!
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi
Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 12:42:41 PM | message detail
hoo boy blizzard fanboys

gotta love em
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Moltar Status: augh
Banjo/Olimar/MM/Nero - Bracket: MM > Nero - Vote: Olimar (51/68)
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 12:43:18 PM | message detail
I'd rather just disdain them

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Bracket:
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_Hogger_ | Posted 10/5/2008 12:43:39 PM | message detail

LeonhartFour (#045)
I think that Arthas might be the best bet to knock L Block out of this contest.

Speaking of joke post!!



Blizzard rallying nearly knocked out SUPER SMASH BROS MELEE.
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Vote for Arthas Menethil in the Character Contest!
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/5/2008 12:44:46 PM | message detail
Nero's looking to be not far off from Jill, assuming he doesn't drop a ton during the ASV and Mega Man hasn't fallen too far.

Gimme Nero over Arthas.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/5/2008 12:45:54 PM | message detail
Blizzard rallying nearly knocked out SUPER SMASH BROS MELEE.

You mean Blizzard stuffing. Big difference. And that was back before Melee was as big as it is now.

Speaking of which, anyone still confident in Brawl > Melee in a Games Contest?
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Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship
Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi
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