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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 583
| H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 8:58:32 AM | message detail |
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On a second look, MK was expected to get 40.64% on Ryu last year...and
now he's expected to get 41.55%. That looks to be an easier
comparison... ...either way, don't tell me that's the SSBB-boost. MK's one of the favorites from the game! If he can't look any better than that from either comparison and CF is killing Diddy like this, Ike may be in for a world of hurt. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 9:06:05 AM | message detail |
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I think Ike will do much better than Arthas, seeing as how he's
actually cool and all, but Arthas is still looking good. I also think
Alucard is looking first for the next round (even with Arthas in
there). Pikachu did very well against Luigi last year, but I get the
feeling that he won't be able to exploit Captain Falcon quite enough.
Based on what we're seeing now, maybe the Smash fanbase even favors him. ...which would mean Fox is their favorite character favor! Perfect sense! --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/2/2008 9:07:36 AM | message detail |
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PartOfYourWorld (#102) Uh... what? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 9:09:44 AM | message detail |
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True about Tifa, and I don't think it accounts for Samus/Solid fishiness either...so, yeah. Whoopsy. Yeah, Fox/Falcon have shared every SSB game, but I think Fox has been the clear favorite of the series (and Star Fox was the most favored series represented in that match). CF has his fans, but not as many or as big as Fox's fans in that aspect. I suspect Wario being announced in SSBB did nothing for him last year since he had Fox/Falcon in the poll with him and Banjo made the match pretty much all-Nintendo anyway...but I could see Wario having more fans outside of the SSB-series than CF. I know Fox/Falcon both have that seniority-advantage (assuming it means something), but I can also see Fox clearly taking that from CF. Without Fox, CF would have a better chance to beat Wario. Otherwise, Wario crushes Diddy, which I don't believe. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/2/2008 9:15:48 AM | message detail |
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I have a feeling with the way this contest has gone, all of our
debating over Arthas/Ike will be mute, and Spy will go and be second. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/2/2008 9:20:45 AM | message detail |
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Playership rate and popularity within SSBM/B is important, not
seniority. Falcon is one of the most popular characters in Melee, and
Diddy I really don't associate with Brawl that much- I think he
probably gets most of his strength outside SSB. Pikachu I also see as
getting most of his strength outside SSB- Ike CAN win the SFF battle
tomorrow within the Smash fanbase. I think we've seen the characters
who actually get a huge component of their strength from SSB do fairly
well so far, but simply appearing in Brawl won't boost you sky-high:
it's an ensemble cast of 35 characters after all. And while this is probably not an entirely sound argument, consider this: FFVII is much stronger than Brawl. If merely being a playable character in Brawl were capable of making someone a low midcarder, then we would expect the same to be true for the 35 most popular characters from FFVII, which seems rather absurd. For tomorrow's match, I'm actually feeling better about Ike's chances now, probably because I took Ike > Pikachu entirely based on instinct, and it worked out pretty well today. --- Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 48/56 --- T-48 (98 way) Bracket: Alucard > Captain Falcon --- Vote: Captain Falcon |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/2/2008 9:21:00 AM | message detail |
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gambler's fallacy has returned i see. --- *is Dranze* Amaterasu/Crono/Frank/Kaim - Bracket: Crono > Ame - Vote: Crono (40/44) |
| __Smurf__ | Posted 10/2/2008 9:22:47 AM | message detail |
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I have a feeling with the way this contest has gone, all of our
debating over Arthas/Ike will be mute, and Spy will go and be second. The first 4 matches aside this contest has gone exactly has planned. --- Smurf. The cream of Sonic Fanboyism you're like some devious internet fiend- Majin |
| _Hogger_ | Posted 10/2/2008 9:23:02 AM | message detail |
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From what I've heard, Meta Knight is a very popular SSBB character, who apparently boosted 1% over Ryu from SSBB boost. I don't think Ike will boost as much as you expect. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/Albion+Hero.png |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/2/2008 9:27:56 AM | message detail |
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If Meta-Knight really got nothing from Brawl, then I wouldn't like
Ike's chances, but I feel Meta-Knight did rather well yesterday,
actually- he got about as close to Ryu as I thought he'd get. That is
to say, I have no trust in MK's x-stat value from last year. --- Evvivan: Character Battle VII --- Score: 48/56 --- T-48 (98 way) Bracket: Alucard > Captain Falcon --- Vote: Captain Falcon |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/2/2008 9:29:16 AM | message detail |
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well he was pretty close to Peach last year. and i would imagine Peach failing in this format. with all that said, i think MK got at least something. --- *is Dranze* Amaterasu/Crono/Frank/Kaim - Bracket: Crono > Ame - Vote: Crono (40/44) |
| H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 9:39:19 AM | message detail |
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And while this is probably not an entirely sound argument, consider
this: FFVII is much stronger than Brawl. If merely being a playable
character in Brawl were capable of making someone a low midcarder, then
we would expect the same to be true for the 35 most popular characters
from FFVII, which seems rather absurd. For tomorrow's match, I'm
actually feeling better about Ike's chances now, probably because I
took Ike > Pikachu entirely based on instinct, and it worked out
pretty well today. To be fair, there are far less playable characters in FF7 -- the playable ones should get a bigger advantage from being playable in that regard. Also, we've seen that 41.24% has beaten FF7 at least twice and Zack Fair wrecked Wario with Cecil in the same poll, so maybe FF7 is closer to that absurd idea than either one of us would think. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/2/2008 9:47:56 AM | message detail |
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So...here's the real question.... Captain Falcon vs. Midna, who ya got? --- "Dreaming of one day flying, it practices by leaping off cliffs every day." ~Bagon's Pokedex entry |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 9:51:39 AM | message detail |
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I think Ike will do much better than Arthas, seeing as how he's actually cool and all, but Arthas is still looking good. Uh... what? Sorry, meant to say I think he'll do much better than Diddy. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 9:55:55 AM | message detail |
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Gotta take CF. He's 3% closer to Alucard than Midna was to Scorpion
last year before the ASV comes, and Midna only beat Kratos Aurion by
~3.5% while CF is currently up on him by nearly 12% despite Diddy Kong.
Throw in SSBB (I don't care what it is or isn't doing in the contest),
and I'd have to take CF comfortably over Midna. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 9:58:34 AM | message detail |
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In fact, I've got to say it since Balthier and Gordon impressed not
long ago: I would be more interested in seeing CF face Scorpion than
Midna right now. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 10:59:55 AM | message detail |
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Gotta go now...but let's bring up this classic again: Captain Falcon VS Ness, who wins? --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| Yesmar | Posted 10/2/2008 11:01:28 AM | message detail |
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The one things that strikes me as odd in this match is Kratos. I really
couldn't see Alucard easily doubling Kratos prior to this match, even
last year when he seemed to have recovered somewhat. If Alucard got a
boost due to SotN being released on XBLA last year I doubt it would
have lasted that long, but even if it did, Kratos is doing suprisingly
bad this match, especially considering the fact that Lloyd appeared to
be roughly the same in his match. X and Mudkip might be in for some trouble next round. --- "Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an "unsatisfactory" mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck!" |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/2/2008 11:14:29 AM | message detail |
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Ness > Falcon indirectly. In a four-way match I'd probably take Falcon and one on one I would have to think about that. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Character Battle 2008: Points 41/56 Today's Match: Alucard > Captain Falcon |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2008 11:16:31 AM | message detail |
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Kratos is doing suprisingly bad this match While I'm admittedly guilty of overestimating Kratos (I had him placing here), I'm sure some of this can be chalked up to the FPF. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 11:18:24 AM | message detail |
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Tales of Symphonia was ported to the PS2, but it's fair to say that
Kratos received the lion's share of his strength from the Gamecube
version. It was pretty hyped and sold well (considering it was one of
the only Gamecube RPGs at the time). While the fanbases don't gel, I
can certainly understand console SFF playing a part in this. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Yesmar | Posted 10/2/2008 11:26:22 AM | message detail |
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I just remembered that Kratos was in 4th, so Alucard probably wouldn't
double him one on one, but he still would probably break 60% fairly
easily, which still seems odd to me. I don't think that Kratos is being leeched by the characters or the consoles either. Llloyd held up well against all Nintendo characters. Captain Falcon could be stealing Gamecube votes away, but I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced of that theory yet. --- "Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an "unsatisfactory" mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck!" |
| transience | Posted 10/2/2008 12:06:33 PM | message detail |
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yeah, Diddy doesn't have Brawl trends at all. it's like he's not even in the game. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:07:25 PM | message detail |
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"PIKA!" *BOOM* Ike's casual bait, but so is Pikachu. Plus Pikachu has Melee and Pokemon. I think Pikachu's a lock for first, and that we'll see a close match for second between Arthas and Spy. Arthas would give me a perfect Division 4, but Spy would give me a good laugh and be even cooler. GlaDOS with 20% and Gordon's performance makes me think Spy will do better than expected. Plus the better Spy does, the better the Cube will look come Saturday! --- SNES Reviews - http://mega64.20ehost.com/ "[Wylvane]'s the type of guy we probably need more of around here to keep the place interesting." ~Smurf |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 12:07:30 PM | message detail |
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I would have done well to assume everyone else hates the little bastard as much as I do. He's no Donkey Kong. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| transience | Posted 10/2/2008 12:15:57 PM | message detail |
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Lucario is off the hook. Diddy's the new worst performance in round 1. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:16:53 PM | message detail |
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transience (#126) Lucario is off the hook. Diddy's the new worst performance in round 1. As far as Nintendo goes, I hope you mean. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| transience | Posted 10/2/2008 12:18:18 PM | message detail |
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no, as far as the whole contest goes. the two characters that have
bombed relative to expectations the hardest are Diddy and Lucario. woo trash --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:18:46 PM | message detail |
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M_e_g_a_6_4 (#124) Ike's casual bait, but so is Pikachu. Plus Pikachu has Melee and Pokemon. Pikachu is significantly less popular among casuals. And nobody's arguing that Ike will take first. We're arguing that he's beating Arthas. Plus the better Spy does, the better the Cube will look come Saturday! Only way to accurately gage cube is to look at GlaDOS. In that case, Cube is doomed. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 12:19:41 PM | message detail |
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Which non-Nintendo guys have been worse? The only ones that stand out
are the Sonic Team and Scorpion, and none of those performances are
anywhere near failure of this magnitude (Knuckles was a 50/50 in the
first place and Scorp still won his match). --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Lopen | Posted 10/2/2008 12:21:13 PM | message detail |
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Lucario is off the hook. Diddy's the new worst performance in round 1. Kratos Aurion tbqh What the hell losing to a Diddy that BOMBED like I thought he was going to? He's doing worse than Lloyd here and Lloyd had a much stronger four pack. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 12:21:32 PM | message detail |
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Only way to accurately gage cube is to look at GlaDOS. In that case, Cube is doomed. Dude seriously what. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:22:23 PM | message detail |
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PartOfYourWorld (#130) Which non-Nintendo guys have been worse? The only ones that stand out are the Sonic Team and Scorpion, and none of those performances are anywhere near failure of this magnitude (Knuckles was a 50/50 in the first place and Scorp still won his match). I'd say either Niko or Kefka were pretty horrible. Not as overrated as, say, Lucario, but still. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| transience | Posted 10/2/2008 12:22:58 PM | message detail |
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Kratos has a limited amount of support he can get since not everyone
has played his game. when that support is split amongst two other
Nintendo guys, it's not surprising at all. but Diddy has no such excuse. he's getting killed by a guy who got beat down by Wario. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:24:24 PM | message detail |
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Keep in mind that Falcon's strength is largely coming from Smash, which
Fox was the best ranked character in. SFF was entirely possible. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:24:54 PM | message detail |
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Kefka and Niko were both quite disappointing, as I'm pretty sure the
Duke was the least picked member of that four pack. Roxas and Knuckles
did pretty poorly as well. There's a couple others that didn't look
great in their wins, but those are the only guys that were given
chances to contend and fell on their faces. Still, I agree that Lucario
and Diddy have been worse (Isaac? and trailing Falcon by 10%). --- Mustache...and green... |
| Lopen | Posted 10/2/2008 12:25:24 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm, fair. I figured Kratos being such a fan favorite in his game
would allow him to resist SFF a bit better than losing it to 4th string
Nintendo characters Diddy and Captain Falcon, though. Jeez. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| transience | Posted 10/2/2008 12:26:26 PM | message detail |
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I saw Kefka and Niko as performing about as expected, and Duke really surprising. this is the other way around. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/2/2008 12:28:18 PM | message detail |
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Kefka and Niko were both quite disappointing, as I'm pretty sure the
Duke was the least picked member of that four pack. Roxas and Knuckles
did pretty poorly as well. There's a couple others that didn't look
great in their wins, but those are the only guys that were given
chances to contend and fell on their faces. Still, I agree that Lucario
and Diddy have been worse (Isaac? and trailing Falcon by 10%). Yep, pretty much. Add to the fact that unlike all the non-Nintendo characters you mentioned, Lucario and Diddy were huge favorites who ended up getting completely wiped. Heck, I'd probably call Wario the third biggest bust. He was favored for first place, and Zack ripped him apart. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:28:51 PM | message detail |
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transience (#138) I saw Kefka and Niko as performing about as expected, and Duke really surprising. this is the other way around. You're the only person in the world whose opinion matters. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:30:50 PM | message detail |
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It's not really their fault and more our fault for overrating them.
They didn't meet our expectations, true, but now it seems like they
were quite a tall order. --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 10/2/2008 12:30:58 PM | message detail |
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Eh. Nah. All things considered I tend to agree with tranny here in
hindsight. The whole Duke/Gordon/Ike pack seems like it's been
underrated criminally at this point. I dunno though, I still think Kefka would've had an outside chance with lettuce, as terrible as that is to type. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| transience | Posted 10/2/2008 12:32:20 PM | message detail |
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eh, Zack was unknown, so you can't blame Wario too much there. he didn't do awful, Zack just came and whipped ass. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:32:39 PM | message detail |
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Niko and Kefka may have disappointed, but at least each of them were within 5-7% of doing as expected. --- "Dreaming of one day flying, it practices by leaping off cliffs every day." ~Bagon's Pokedex entry |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:34:23 PM | message detail |
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Also, I'm beginning to think Seifer wouldn't even be above the fodder line. He and Diddy were in the same boat last year. --- "Dreaming of one day flying, it practices by leaping off cliffs every day." ~Bagon's Pokedex entry |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:35:14 PM | message detail |
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Niko and Kefka did not disappoint they were close to Marth as many expected and the board doesn't like to give Duke any credit. I saw Diddy bombing, but I didn't see Kratos doing this badly. Shadow losing was surprising IMO, for Wario it was more Zack impressing the guy still did well against Cecil and Jade. I'd still give Lucario the Flop Award. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Character Battle 2008: Points 41/56 Today's Match: Alucard > Captain Falcon |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:36:47 PM | message detail |
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Looks like Falcon is coming back with the ASV. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls Character Battle 2008: Points 41/56 Today's Match: Alucard > Captain Falcon |
| Spark Mandrill | Posted 10/2/2008 12:38:46 PM | message detail |
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WarThaNemesis2 (#145) Also, I'm beginning to think Seifer wouldn't even be above the fodder line. He and Diddy were in the same boat last year. ... What the hell? --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/2/2008 12:42:32 PM | message detail |
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Last year, two of the heavily B8-nominated characters didn't make it
into the contest. Diddy Kong and Seifer. I wouldn't be surprised if
Seifer didn't get in for the same reason Diddy didn't get in, by virtue
of being pretty damn weak. Considering how much characters actually
matter in FFVIII, I could easily see Seifer truly being that damn weak. --- "Dreaming of one day flying, it practices by leaping off cliffs every day." ~Bagon's Pokedex entry |
| Lady Ashe | Posted 10/2/2008 12:44:03 PM | message detail |
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"Or we're tired of seeing the same ****ty fodder noone likes get in
year after year while guys like Proto Man or Seifer (likely midcarders)
get snubbed. Though I suppose it solidifies your "indie cred" seeing
your crappy characters get the piss beat out of them." Hey, you might not have realized this, but we aren't the only people who nominate characters. The average contest-goer just wants to see the characters they like get in. Just because we pay attention to the results much more than the target audience of the contests doesn't mean that we should have the right to judge them for who they choose to nominate. Your elitism is sickening. jk lol damn them for nominating characters they like instead of ones i like ^_^ |
