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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 10/1/2008 11:03:25 PM | message detail

greatone10 (#047)
What on earth got into Captain Falcon? I mean, I don't even necessarily mind Diddy bombing because it actually sorta confirms a suspicion I have, but Falcon sure got strong quick.

However, there is a trend I have noticed. Wario, Lucario, Diddy have fallen flat. I don't know if Ike is going to be that great of a choice for tomorrows match


To be fair, Meta-Knight did alright considering he was against Ryu and L-Block, and Ike's probably closer to the Meta-Knight spectrum than the Luwario side due to being casual bait and having Fire Emblem.

That said, I still don't think it'll be enough to overcome Pikachu SFF.
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Lopen | Posted 10/1/2008 11:03:35 PM | message detail
I want to see some Tales of Vesperia characters

Let's not.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/1/2008 11:12:35 PM | message detail

Fayt_Esteed (#048)
I want to see some Tales of Vesperia characters next contest.



At least the fodder I wanted to see had some potential!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/1/2008 11:53:38 PM | message detail
Falcon holding tough these past 20 minutes...
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Villanous Bill Gates | Posted 10/2/2008 12:06:03 AM | message detail
Alright go Cap, keep me in the top 50!

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linkhatesganon | Posted 10/2/2008 12:28:52 AM | message detail
This match makes no sense at all!
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Seginustemple | Posted 10/2/2008 12:59:31 AM | message detail
It's entirely possible that Captain Falcon is coming off of L-blocks high - the day after the block's big match is sure to keep some of the lame jokesters around, and who the hell else would THEY vote for in this poll?

Except Falcon happens to be an awesome character. Glad I kept him in my bracket >_>
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greatone10 | Posted 10/2/2008 1:16:35 AM | message detail
Pfft, the joke votes should be going to someone in the freaking DK Rap, for god's sake!
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/2/2008 3:21:29 AM | message detail
Oh god, Death Note Artist Alucard?

And FINNALY Falcon starts kicking some ass around here.
Yes, He is #1.
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transience | Posted 10/2/2008 3:28:29 AM | message detail
check out this morning vote. Alucard goes 50/50 here while getting 100 vote updates overnight. aw yeah, Alucard.

looks like Kratos and Diddy have basically identical trends.
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Lopen | Posted 10/2/2008 3:50:12 AM | message detail
Thinkin Kratos will win the ASV. Just seems to me that a Nintendo badass with a sword triumphs over a monkey there.

Though I figured he'd take the night and lose the morning too.
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croy3 | Posted 10/2/2008 3:56:13 AM | message detail
Alucared will win and itll be close for 2nd cuz of capt and diddy split votes i think
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/2/2008 4:41:06 AM | message detail
http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/captain_falcon.png

And here I thought I made this pic for nothing!
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jonthomson | Posted 10/2/2008 4:49:01 AM | message detail
lol, someone explain to me how a secondary character in the donkey kong series was the guru consensus over captain falcon again? when diddy can't even exclusively claim the brawl vote?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 4:52:03 AM | message detail
Even though this match makes absolutely no sense, I half expected something like this. When I was trying to make my Oracle prediction, I could never make a prediction that involved Kratos winning that made sense. And with all of the talk about how "Captain Falcon is the worst pick for second here," I had a bad feeling something like this would happen.

I'm interested to see what Ike can do tomorrow. Falcon's impressing in the face of Nintendo SFF/LFF, so there's no reason to believe Ike and Pikachu both can't make it through tomorrow. And who said Diddy wouldn't be another Lucario? Man, that makes me feel bad 'cause I love Diddy.

Alucard AND Falcon are stinkin' it up with the morning vote right now. Is Falcon a NIGHT Nintendo character? That would almost smack of joke trends. Actually, looking at the percentage chart so far, the difference between his Power Hour and First Night Vote is humongous, and so is Alucard's (though in the opposite direction). Diddy actually did BETTER with the night vote than with the Power Hour. Talk about your strange matches.

Yesterday's Chart:

Time | L-Block | Meta Knight | Ryu | The Dog
PHV | 33.34% | 21.77% | 29.77% | 15.12% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 32.27% | 19.76% | 34.46% | 13.52% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 31.97% | 22.66% | 30.94% | 14.43% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 30.67% | 21.55% | 33.04% | 14.74% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 31.85% | 25.12% | 29.73% | 13.30% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 31.88% | 21.53% | 32.56% | 14.02% | (22:00-24:00)

Man, Meta Knight's ASV is something else. And a consistent L-Block? Yep, we're in trouble.

Yesterday's stats:

L-Block – 50.00%
Ryu – 49.81%
Meta Knight – 41.55%
The Dog – 30.57%

And while Meta Knight may have disappointed relative to expectations, he still did pretty well for himself here. It's hard to say exactly where he was last year anyway because he was in SFF situations both times. Still, for a guy who's basically got Kirby Super Star and Brawl, that's pretty good.
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Lady Ashe | Posted 10/2/2008 5:06:51 AM | message detail
"..why"

Because this is a contest about the characters you enjoy. People who complain about characters like Jade or whoever getting in when enough people nominated him are just bitter old men who hate the idea of other people enjoying anything in life because they aren't able to.
charmander6000 | Posted 10/2/2008 5:09:01 AM | message detail
Zidane and Falcon both had a common opponent and had near the same percent.

Last year's four-pack Zidane would've been expected to get 40.62%. Right now Falcon is getting 44.13%. Also using 2k6 stats Falcon was expected to get 39.89% on Alucard (they were in the same division).

Falcon's percent will only go up throughout the day, so Brawl boost anyone?
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/2/2008 5:19:56 AM | message detail
Wow, the lead is already over 3100. Alucard's night vote is really something.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2008 5:20:17 AM | message detail
Last year's four-pack Zidane would've been expected to get 40.62%. Right now Falcon is getting 44.13%. Also using 2k6 stats Falcon was expected to get 39.89% on Alucard (they were in the same division).

Falcon's percent will only go up throughout the day, so Brawl boost anyone?


Not good arguments, least of which being because of picture factor against Alucard today, last place factor on Zidane's part, and the fact that Alucard has been dropping steadily every year (beating Kirby comfortably to losing to pre-MGS4 Liquid is damning).

That doesn't mean that a Brawl boost isn't likely on Falcon's part, but it's mostly evidenced by him doing this with Diddy in the match. If Diddy was replaced with a non-Nintendo entity this would be a pretty disappointing performance.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/2/2008 5:24:58 AM | message detail
Because this is a contest about the characters you enjoy. People who complain about characters like Jade or whoever getting in when enough people nominated him are just bitter old men who hate the idea of other people enjoying anything in life because they aren't able to.

Or we're tired of seeing the same ****ty fodder noone likes get in year after year while guys like Proto Man or Seifer (likely midcarders) get snubbed. Though I suppose it solidifies your "indie cred" seeing your crappy characters get the piss beat out of them.

lol hipsters
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/2/2008 5:26:22 AM | message detail
And why the hell would joke voters support Captain Falcon? The only joke in this poll is Diddy for making no sense with this bombtastic performance.
charmander6000 | Posted 10/2/2008 5:30:26 AM | message detail
They weren't really arguements, more like me pulling numbers out. I know Kratos has dropped, but by this much? The guy is only getting about 30.84% on Alucard. I guess the series is dead to GameFAQs.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 41/56 Today's Match: Alucard > Captain Falcon
RPGuy96 | Posted 10/2/2008 6:33:48 AM | message detail
Time | Alucard . | Falcon . | Diddy . | Kratos
01:00 | 34.36% | 32.07% | 17.70% | 15.87%
02:00 | 36.91% | 28.28% | 18.26% | 16.55%
03:00 | 37.71% | 27.67% | 19.11% | 15.51%
04:00 | 39.36% | 26.50% | 17.45% | 16.68%
05:00 | 40.22% | 24.50% | 18.22% | 17.06%
06:00 | 41.72% | 25.21% | 18.02% | 15.05%
07:00 | 34.47% | 29.81% | 18.64% | 17.08%
08:00 | 34.36% | 28.51% | 20.49% | 16.64%
09:00 | 35.86% | 28.31% | 20.01% | 15.82%

Alucard recovered nicely during the night, approaching 42% before promptly dying when the sun rose. Falcon did well in the morning but couldn't get back up to his Power Hour percentage; if he does during the ASV he might actually cut Alucard's lead.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/2/2008 6:37:13 AM | message detail
paraboxx | Posted 10/2/2008 12:50:02 PM | message detail | #017
I'm gonna laugh and laaaaugh when Fox doesn't even break 25% in that match.

(The best part is, when he does, this topic'll be so old by that time no one will remember I posted this anyway!)


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EternalxCourage | Posted 10/2/2008 6:40:37 AM | message detail
I won't get fooled again.
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Link The Hylian | Posted 10/2/2008 7:13:50 AM | message detail
*wakes up*

Told you guys Diddy wouldn't do well today.

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Link The Hylian | Posted 10/2/2008 7:17:01 AM | message detail
The reason I said hed come in last was because I thought this Kratos meant God of War Kratos.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 7:30:44 AM | message detail
That doesn't mean that a Brawl boost isn't likely on Falcon's part, but it's mostly evidenced by him doing this with Diddy in the match. If Diddy was replaced with a non-Nintendo entity this would be a pretty disappointing performance.

Disappointing for Falcon? I dunno if I'd have pegged him to get within 10% of Alucard.
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Kegger9 | Posted 10/2/2008 7:39:47 AM | message detail
So who here actually tried to get stats out of last year's contest?


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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 7:41:32 AM | message detail
NGamer has stats from last year posted on his site.
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Kegger9 | Posted 10/2/2008 7:45:51 AM | message detail
and did people actually use them as anything more than a rough approximation?


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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 7:47:16 AM | message detail
I don't know if anyone took them seriously. I might use them for a few upcoming matches for my Oracle and see what happens. I don't know if NGamer or anyone else is doing that currently though.
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Kegger9 | Posted 10/2/2008 7:54:36 AM | message detail
Well I've seen some people throw around statements like "x should have gotten y percentage on z based on last years performances", which I find to be rather ridiculous.


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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 7:56:25 AM | message detail
Well, it's just a rough guess, yeah, which is why you see the percentages being so far off expectations. This format isn't made for transitivity or anything like that.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/2/2008 7:57:10 AM | message detail
Alucard (2007c) has a strength of 21.09 against Base Link.
Captain Falcon (2007c) has a strength of 15.25 against Base Link.

Alucard 63.85% 88,032
Captain Falcon 36.15% 49,851
TOTAL VOTES 137,883
Alucard wins with 63.85% of the vote!
A 38,181 vote margin of victory.

Alucard (2007c raw) has a raw strength of 27.99 against Base Link.
Captain Falcon (2007c raw) has a raw strength of 4.00 against Base Link.

Alucard 92.85% 135,716
Captain Falcon 7.15% 10,444
TOTAL VOTES 146,160
Alucard wins with 92.85% of the vote!
A 125,273 vote margin of victory.
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Kegger9 | Posted 10/2/2008 7:59:15 AM | message detail
Ya some people seem to be taking those stats a little too seriously, lol them


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Master Moltar | Posted 10/2/2008 8:13:11 AM | message detail
Well, Aucard rocked it overnight. He should go down later, but at least he won't end up looking too bad.

I mean, yeah I know it's Falcon he's trying to get away from and all, but still...what the hell falcon
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 10/2/2008 8:14:56 AM | message detail
lol xstats

No

rofl lmao xfd xstats
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BDawg | Posted 10/2/2008 8:16:36 AM | message detail
Diddy we need an upset to wash away the taste of L-block. "Tell 'em Diddy said Falcon punch is open late."
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 8:28:10 AM | message detail
It's still puzzling to me that Diddy is doing so badly relative to Captain Falcon. I mean, he's farther away from Falcon than Falcon is from Alucard. That's what surprises me the most. Sure, people can say they called Diddy being weak right, but THIS weak? Come on now. And if Falcon is doing this in spite of LFF, then watch out Pikachu and/or Ike!

Seriously, this has me interested to see what Falcon will do against one or both of those guys next round. I still don't understand how he lost to Wario, after seeing this. Are you telling me that Diddy is this much weaker than Wario? I DON'T GET IT. Or does being the worst character in a Smash Bros. game give you a boost or something? I guess that explains Mewtwo!
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Link The Hylian | Posted 10/2/2008 8:33:02 AM | message detail
I would just like to say that I consider Donkey Kong Country to be a better series than either Star Fox or SSB.

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H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 8:37:20 AM | message detail
I've suspected for awhile that CF would have done better against Wario if Fox wasn't in the poll last year, but I would have still taken Wario > CF...now though, man, this match is a nutty one. Either Fox absolutely killed CF's SSB-support (very possible), Wario > Diddy (...possible), or a mix of the two.

Does anybody take this match as evidence that SSB-seniority matters, or is that a non-factor for this result?
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/2/2008 8:37:56 AM | message detail
2 Questions.

Based on Diddy Kongs pathetic performance in this round, is Donkey Kong at risk of not taking 2nd in his first match? We all know Tidus is getting first, but maybe the Companion Cube or Tails will steal it from DK?

Also, tomorrow, we all know Pikachu is taking first but who do you guys think will take second? Ike or Arthas? I picked Arthas because Ike's name sucks and because WOW is so popular.
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Contest Point Total: 42 Rank: 95%tile, Tied for 2290
This Pick: Alucard > Captain Falcon
H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 8:38:15 AM | message detail
SSB >> SF > DKC

Fact and opinion!
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/2/2008 8:41:05 AM | message detail
Ike did poorly in a pack of characters containing Gorgen Freeman and Duke Nukem last year.

Arthas did poorly but he was up against Diablo. Diablo SFFed him right out of that contest...

I just dont know because they both have only been in it once.
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Contest Point Total: 42 Rank: 95%tile, Tied for 2290
This Pick: Alucard > Captain Falcon
_Hogger_ | Posted 10/2/2008 8:47:18 AM | message detail
I was reading some posts from last night. Why is everyone so confident that Ike will be fine when other newcomers weren't? People bring up Meta Knight, but he was the only Smash character in the poll. Ike has to deal with a classic Smash character who will likely suck away all of his votes if past matches show us anything. I'd say that classic Smash characters owning and newcomers sucking it up makes it RIP with Ike due to the rat being in the match with him.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 8:49:25 AM | message detail
Does anybody take this match as evidence that SSB-seniority matters, or is that a non-factor for this result?

Not necessarily. Going back to Captain Falcon, he still lost to Wario last year, who had merely only been announced for Brawl.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/2/2008 8:49:51 AM | message detail
Oh, and if you're going the Fox uber-SFF'd Falcon route, they're still in the same number of games.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2008 8:55:08 AM | message detail
Just noticed something while I was looking into the past: Princess Peach was expected to get 43.19% on Ryu in 2k6. Peach's match last year suggests Peach would have gotten 43.16% against pre-SSBB MK...

...and now, yesterday's match says post-SSBB MK would have gotten 41.55% on Ryu.



It's hard to apply one-on-one circumstances like this, but something REALLY doesn't seem right in this regard.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2008 8:57:33 AM | message detail
It's hard to apply one-on-one circumstances like this, but something REALLY doesn't seem right in this regard.

Yeah - you're taking a Peach that's going through Tifa - a Tifa adjusted to be "only" 45% on Samus, but seriously now.
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