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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 582

HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/1/2008 7:09:15 PM | message detail
Tip Tup was so cash

Diddy Kong fans are what I like to call the vocal minority.

See: Lloyd Irving vs Zelos Wilder.


I'm calling shenanigans here
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/1/2008 7:10:47 PM | message detail
DKR sold several million copies, IIRC...VGChartz has it at 2.89 million in America.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:11:02 PM | message detail
As good as DKC2 was, Jungle Beat and DK 94 kick the crap out of it.

And F-Zero GX is one of the most complete racing games ever

And DKR sold just under 5 million, DK 64 actually outsold it
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greatone10 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:12:06 PM | message detail
Pipsy and Tiptup were awesome, but you needed to grab a middleweight for the hovercrafts if you wanted to not suck with one.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/1/2008 7:12:24 PM | message detail
And how did F-Zero X sell? Or any other F-Zero for that matter?
greatone10 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:14:14 PM | message detail

wavedash101 (#203)
As good as DKC2 was, Jungle Beat and DK 94 kick the crap out of it.



Nothing kicks the crap out of DKC2. Especially Jungle Beat.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:16:53 PM | message detail
Just face it. EAD Tokyo did DK better than Rare

F-Zero was over 2 million if I recall. F-Zero X was a million seller and so was one of the GBA F-Zeros. F-Zero GX sadly only did around 700k something cause people are stupid. DKR DS sold over a million as well despite being a crap port
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/1/2008 7:17:08 PM | message detail
F-Zero was in the millions I think

Dunno about X and GX. Though Im pretty sure they sold quite well.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:22:00 PM | message detail
I really have no faith in Diddy. He's guaranteed to be weaker than DK, and DK is pretty much ass considering how important a Nintendo character he is.

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greatone10 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:23:30 PM | message detail
I don't see how Diddy is guaranteed to be weaker than DK. Diddy has more character appeal underneath his hat than Donkey has ever shown in his near 30 year existence.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:25:08 PM | message detail
Since when has that mattered? We've seen two (I think) cases of a 'fan favorite' being stronger than the main character, and they were both extreme cases of Auron/Tidus and Kratos/Lloyd. Diddy is not nearly as favored as those two characters are, appears in much less games, and doesn't have his name in the title. He's not even very popular in Brawl, so he won't get much support there.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/1/2008 7:25:24 PM | message detail
Whoa I'm 33rd in the Guru right now? Not too shabby
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:26:59 PM | message detail
Diddy Kong fans are what I like to call the vocal minority.

See: Lloyd Irving vs Zelos Wilder.


Although DIddy won't be as comparatively weak as Zelos it to Lloyd, yeah, pretty much agree with this.

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greatone10 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:30:44 PM | message detail
I think DK's lack of character appeal certainly explains why he can't seem to live up to his potential. And while Diddy has not been in as many games, does that matter so much? I mean, not being in Mario Party 34 must have been real damaging for his popularity. I think Diddy does manage to at least get into most of the ones that are actually well liked, and he even has a few popular games to his credit that DK is not in (Diddy's Kong Quest, Diddy Kong Racing). The only DK really has going for him is the original Donkey Kong, which is so high on the old-school totem pole that it nearly choked against Duck Hunt.

I'm not saying Diddy is going to be more popular or rank higher in the x-stats, but I don't see why he has to be lower.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/1/2008 7:32:05 PM | message detail
you talk down Donkey while praising Diddy, but neither of them are particularly appealing.

time for ApeFAQs
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:33:36 PM | message detail
The thing is, are the game's Diddy have been in really that popular? DK64 got mixed reviews, Diddy Kong Racing is completely overshadowed by MK64, and DKC2 is too old to be that effective. No, DK has simply been more relevant than Diddy is and always will be, and I can't see Diddy being anything but a good bit below DK.

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greatone10 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:33:54 PM | message detail
It's not so much that I think Diddy is great or anything, but god damn do I hate Donkey Kong.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:34:31 PM | message detail
Yeah, neither Diddy nor DK are very appealing whatsoever. Part of the reason DK is so bad. Diddy is a little better, but not much.

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:34:44 PM | message detail
Vivi/Zidane

Rikku/Tidus

Leon > Jill > Claire > Wesker Chris
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:35:23 PM | message detail
And I wouldn't be surprised if Diddy happens to be stronger than DK. I'm expecting them to be pretty close.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:37:01 PM | message detail
Vivi hardly counts. He's a Black Mage, for christ's sake. Tidus/Rikku is debatable. The last one doesn't even make sense, since when is Chris the main character of the RE series?

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:37:45 PM | message detail
Since always?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:38:55 PM | message detail
From what I understand...

RE1: Jill
RE2: Leon/Claire
RE3: Jill
RE4: Leon
RE5: Chris

Uh I know I'm missing Chris somewhere, but no way is he the main character of the series.

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:39:56 PM | message detail
Thanks for proving my point..
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trannyscience | Posted 10/1/2008 7:39:57 PM | message detail
Chris Redfield is trash
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:40:27 PM | message detail
Chris is RE1 as well as Jill, and CV is Claire and Chris.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/1/2008 7:40:32 PM | message detail
lol code veronica
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:40:38 PM | message detail
Chris Redfield will lose to Tim.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:41:03 PM | message detail
Obviously he's not a fan favorite and most people prefer other people over him, but he's still the main character. Unless you want to call Wesker the main character.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:41:18 PM | message detail
Prove your point? He's not the main character of the series. Jill and Leon have been in more main (released) games to date).

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/1/2008 7:41:25 PM | message detail
Chris Redfield will lose to Tim.

Sad but true.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:42:02 PM | message detail
Please do some research before you say things like that.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:42:52 PM | message detail
So what RE game with a number has Chris been in besides 1?

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:43:23 PM | message detail
RE5 will be Chris' 3rd game. Next to Wesker, he's talk about more than anyone else in letters you find throughout the series.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:44:17 PM | message detail
lol typos

And I just said.

If you're not going to count Code Veronica, then you can't count 4 as it has nothing to do with the games before it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:44:48 PM | message detail
I said numbered series. Spinoffs aren't nearly as popular or relevant.

And really, if Chris is the main character of the series it's by a slim and insignificant margin. The RE series has too many main characters for that to matter or relate to the discussion at hand.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/1/2008 7:44:49 PM | message detail
Zero certainly looks like he's stronger than X

And I'd compare Diddy/DK moreso to Kratos/Lloyd. I'd never heard of Zelos until he lost to Tom Nook, but all the Fails fanboys wouldn't shut the hell up about Kratos in 2005.
The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:45:37 PM | message detail
You just blow my mind with your infinite wisdom.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:47:37 PM | message detail
Yes, if all you have to offer to the discussion are thinly-veiled insults, then I suggest you take your invaluable insights elsewhere.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/1/2008 7:49:07 PM | message detail
Kefka > the entire playable cast of FF6

Even if Diddy/DK is more of a Fox/Falco or Kirby/MK kind of relationship, that puts him close to DK who would never in a million years get tripled by 2k6 Crono.
Draco1214 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:49:26 PM | message detail
Wait, why is Chris Redfield being brought up again? The guy lost to Pyramid Head. He isn't doing crap in these things.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/1/2008 7:49:37 PM | message detail
No I provided facts. You tried to argue against what I was saying without any knowledge of what you were talking about. Then, after I was right, you pretty much said "Oh but that doesn't count because I say so."
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:49:37 PM | message detail
Match XV: Alucard vs. Captain Falcon vs. Diddy Kong vs. Kratos Aurion

Information:

Name: Alucard
Game/Series From: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
2007 Results: 2nd in round 1, 3rd in round 2

Alucard was on the losing end of the closest match ever losing to Liquid Snake by a mere 3 votes. Alucard however got his revenge by smashing Liquid Snake the next round, winning by about 9000 votes. What caused this drastic change still remains a mystery.

Name: Captain Falcon
Game/Series From: F-Zero series
2007 Results: 3rd in round 1

Falcon was stuck in an all Nintendo match (might as well call Banjo Nintendo) last year and with the F-Zero series not being a popular series Falcon only had Melee to fall upon, which isn’t helpful against Nintendo characters. Falcon has a Nintendo opponent, but will his popularity in Melee and to a lesser extent Brawl be enough to overcome him?

Name: Diddy Kong
Game/Series From: Donkey Kong Country series
2007 Results: Did not enter

To quote a user from last year, “Diddy was rallied and fought hard to get every nomination and when the bracket was released he failed to enter. With the announcement on the Brawl site Diddy was then given a blank cheque, two weeks too late.” Diddy Kong is a huge board favourite though that may not translate into contest strength.

Name: Kratos Aurion
Game/Series From: Tales of Symphonia
2007 Results: 3rd in round 1

The final Tales of character though he is considered to be the strongest one of the bunch. With two Nintendo characters in the poll the Tales of series may get its first win since Lloyd in 2005.

Analysis:

Despite L-Block’s match the excitement of the contest still continues with no breaks in sight for at least a few more matches. This seems like a classic first place is decided yet second is being fought over by the other three competitors.

As said before Alucard is the huge favourite for first tomorrow. He may appear weaker since his days in 2002 and 2003, but he’s still much above the Melee line which is where the other three characters will be fighting around. Any surprise Brawl support will be split between the two Brawl characters. Alucard may not look impressive, but he shouldn’t have much trouble here.

Many people don’t seem to give Captain Falcon the time of day in this match. He may not have looked that well in the Nintendo hierarchy, but that’s because Falcon was stuck against probably one of the few characters that is more favoured than he is in Melee. I think being a fan favourite in Melee and Brawl will give him the advantage over the other Nintendo character and the only thing he has to worry about is the Nintendo split.

Diddy Kong is the other Nintendo character in this poll and the huge favourite at coming in second. Before the board became obsessed with the little guy many users didn’t give him the time of day. I still don’t think he’s that strong and he is most likely weaker than Donkey Kong, which makes me think why the board loves this monkey and hate the other one. Also the little monkey isn’t that huge of a fan favourite in Brawl compared to Falcon. I don’t see Diddy Kong doing anything except bringing Falcon down.
charmander6000 | Posted 10/1/2008 7:49:52 PM | message detail
Kratos is the strongest Tales of character that we’ve seen, though that’s not saying much. Tales of Symphonia may be drifting off into the depths of gaming history, but Kratos can still do one final stand before dying off. This will probably be the best chance for the guy to advance to round 2 and all he has to do is hope that Falcon and Diddy LFF each other enough to let him squeeze through.

Unlike the consensus of the board I’m betting that Diddy Kong is not going to do much of anything and this will be a match mainly between Captain Falcon and Kratos Aurion. Alucard of course gets first.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Alucard > Captain Falcon

charmander6000’s Prediction: Alucard – 33.57%, Captain Falcon – 26.37%, Kratos Aurion – 24.47%, Diddy Kong – 15.59%
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/1/2008 7:50:58 PM | message detail
You were right in that Chris Redfield is the 'main' character of RE. You were wrong in that it matters at all to DK/Diddy comparison.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/1/2008 7:53:29 PM | message detail
ballsy pick by char. the first one I've seen that isn't all FALCONNNNNNNNNNNN

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/1/2008 7:53:33 PM | message detail
Chris Redfield being the 'main character' doesn't matter because he's not even in the two most popular RE games.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/1/2008 7:53:53 PM | message detail
Chris will only be the "main" guy once RE5 comes out. Resident Evil was a series all about the ladies, and I don't really like the fact that Capcom has moved away from that recently. It's been too damn long since Jill and Claire have been playable.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/1/2008 7:54:27 PM | message detail
It boggles my mind that anybody is considering Falcon here after his complete failures in 2k6 and 2k7. I could understand heavy debate if the Cap was untested, but we've seen him flop, TWICE. Diddy would have to be in the area of almost getting doubled by DK to lose to Falcon, and that simply doesn't make ANY sense to me. I suppose I'll just laugh when this blatantly obvious, common sense pick goes through.
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/1/2008 7:56:23 PM | message detail
Don't forget, one of those was at the hands of Fox. And in an all-Nintendo fourpack.
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