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RPGGamer0 | Posted 9/29/2008 6:36:28 PM | message detail
XD @ the idea of people cheating to make Gordon look better than he actually is but still keep him from winning.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2008 6:38:24 PM | message detail
I'm still waiting for someone to make a picture of Gordon, Scorpion, Balthier, and Big Daddy all sitting around, sipping tea, and wearing monocles. I was going to do it myself, and then my photoshop computer decided it didn't want to work during the contest where we can submit pics.

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Lopen | Posted 9/29/2008 6:39:36 PM | message detail
Yeah, and I didn't say anything for half an hour but I came back and just saw some things that were too ridiculous to ignore, sorry. Lern2Occam'sRazor imhhho.

Anyway, yeah, it's a pointless argument because Scorpion is going to win anyway and I'm not saying that Gordon is significantly weaker than this anyway. He's still clearly shocked, today. Scorpion either flopped or Gordon did well for himself... but this match didn't go as expected.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/29/2008 6:43:11 PM | message detail
Scorpion with the ownage update!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2008 6:43:54 PM | message detail
stuffingstuffingstuffingstuffing

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Lopen | Posted 9/29/2008 6:49:14 PM | message detail
XD @ the idea of people cheating to make Gordon look better than he actually is but still keep him from winning.

*eyeroll* The idea was for Gordon to win but he was just overwhelmed here, obviously.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2008 6:49:41 PM | message detail
Lopen.

Argument. No. Stop. Derail thought train!

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/29/2008 6:50:19 PM | message detail
Kaim sucks Ammy's not fodder.

Whatcha gonna do about it.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/29/2008 6:51:10 PM | message detail
Master Chief losing in round 2
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/29/2008 6:52:23 PM | message detail
Big Boss doubles Raiden.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/29/2008 7:04:33 PM | message detail
>.>

Either way Gordon's not making it past round 2.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2008 7:06:44 PM | message detail
Against Falco? Probably not. However, if Falco somehow bombs, I put my money on the One Free Man.

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hailEC | Posted 9/29/2008 7:08:02 PM | message detail
why is everyone giving falco the clear path to victory

get burned by brawlfear again peons

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Lopen | Posted 9/29/2008 7:09:41 PM | message detail
Why, because anti-X-Box and Raiden people stuff votes against Master Chief and Raiden? Yeah figures on this site stuff stuff stuff that's all they do. CHEATING EVERYWHERE!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2008 7:15:58 PM | message detail
It...it all makes sense now. There are no no voters, only stuffers.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/29/2008 7:23:32 PM | message detail
why is everyone giving falco the clear path to victory

get burned by brawlfear again peons


Not a clear path by any means, but I'm feeling very confident with the Falco risk in my bracket. I get the feeling that Gordon will hold up noticeably better than Scorpion next round, and Falco should hold up better than both.
satai_delenn | Posted 9/29/2008 7:29:33 PM | message detail
Blagh, I'm tired of this match now. Bring on the Crono train! Come on, midnight.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/29/2008 7:32:42 PM | message detail
Crono train choo choo.
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Lopen | Posted 9/29/2008 7:33:49 PM | message detail
Crono train more like Kaim traim

Suck it down pedigree dog chow
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trannyscience | Posted 9/29/2008 7:35:17 PM | message detail
not feelin' the Falco hype yet. we all agree Samus's league and that Frog and SFF'd Midna are better than Glados and Wander, right?

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2896&num=4

last year, sure, but I'm not giving up on Scorpion yet.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 7:35:31 PM | message detail
Looks like an obvious Crono/Ama victory tomorrow.

The real question is who will cheat up more votes, Kaim or Frank West? The RPG cheaters are more fanatical and loyal and thus may score more cheat votes for him, but Frank just has that appeal that may win over undecided cheaters and the casual 360 cheating crew. But Kaim may SFF the 360 cheaters from Frank, so who knows?
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/29/2008 7:36:22 PM | message detail
Crono SFFing Kaim massively. Don't forget that.
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Justin's CB Points: 38 | Points After this Round: 42
Today: Scorpion > Gordon | Tomorrow: Crono > Amaterasu
trannyscience | Posted 9/29/2008 7:38:01 PM | message detail
err, that Samus is out of Vincent's league. whoops
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Yesmar | Posted 9/29/2008 7:45:51 PM | message detail
Here is some analysis I just did on the five minute updates between 12:58-13:58 (1:58 PM) on creative's web site. With four entrants I think we can identify when someone should be spiking etc. when compared to three others. The four columns here are Balthier/Big Daddy/Gordon/Scorpion. Bolded numbers are updates where that entrant was aberrant from the norm. Rows with Italics mark updates when there was no clear trend. Here's the list:

108 102 134 136
111 098 134 151
085 085 131 139
101 084 136 125
103 091 144 153
096 097 143 129
095 078 152 122
086 086 134 115
078 092 116 136
103 078 126 138
095 085 120 135
109 081 131 124
093 078 128 130

I don't know if these results tell us anything. Scorpion has more aberrant updates than Freeman, but it's still only three, and I don't like even counting the last one. If I had to look at these and guess that anyone had been cheating, I would say Big Daddy, actually, so I don't know if there was any substantial cheating by one particular side in this match.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/29/2008 7:59:00 PM | message detail
That argument about Gordon cheating is very pathetic. You know why he performed as well as he did. He was going to perform well, no matter what went down. I know it's probably not your intention, but God damn you're looking so pathetic right now trying to find any excuse you can on why Gordon "overperformed".
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TestIcicles | Posted 9/29/2008 8:00:01 PM | message detail
It's funny sowl can't see the blatant Freeman cheating because he's a dirty fangirl.

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NotTerrafire | Posted 9/29/2008 8:00:17 PM | message detail
what a dum argument
with five minute updates you're obviously going to see some fluctuations
RPGuy96 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:01:12 PM | message detail
I dunno, tranny. I agree that Scorpion's match last year was a bit more impressive than Falco's this year - 35.5% on Vincent vs 32.5% on Samus, which if they're equal means Vincent gets 45.75% on Samus, which seems too high. However, this isn't last year; here we have Scorpion barely hanging with Mr. Freeman.
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:02:38 PM | message detail
What a lackluster second half to the match.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/29/2008 8:09:24 PM | message detail
I dunno, tranny. I agree that Scorpion's match last year was a bit more impressive than Falco's this year - 35.5% on Vincent vs 32.5% on Samus, which if they're equal means Vincent gets 45.75% on Samus, which seems too high. However, this isn't last year; here we have Scorpion barely hanging with Mr. Freeman.

Uh, why is everyone assuming that Gordon hanging tough on Scorpion is on Scorpion? Has Gordon not had a different strength every... single... year? He's been one of the most non-linear characters this side of Master Chief. Plus, he just had The Orange Box. Wouldn't it be more plausible that it's due to Gordon rather than Scorpion dropping for no apparent reason?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2008 8:10:39 PM | message detail
2 thoughts now that I've woken up from my nap:

- Looks like Scorpion finally managed to put this away decisively, but that still doesn't make up for the fact that Balthier and Gordon got scarily close here. I think a hearty lol scorpion is in order. It's tough not to call Falco the favourite going into round 2 with how well he performed compared to Scorps.
- Ammy is high-end fodder at worst above the fodder line at best. Kaim will struggle to not be bottom of the barrel useless. Nobody liked his game, and he had the personality of a toaster throughout the whole thing.
- Yay at first perfect divsion!
M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:11:46 PM | message detail
Ugh. Predictable as hell match tomorrow with characters nobody cares about.

Why can't it be Wednesday?
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Yesmar | Posted 9/29/2008 8:12:43 PM | message detail
Uh, why is everyone assuming that Gordon hanging tough on Scorpion is on Scorpion?

Because both of them are also failing to do anything impressive against Balthier.

Has Gordon not had a different strength every... single... year? He's been one of the most non-linear characters this side of Master Chief. Plus, he just had The Orange Box. Wouldn't it be more plausible that it's due to Gordon rather than Scorpion dropping for no apparent reason?

Gordon's really not that non-linear. At least not without reason.

2002 to 2003 is really the only confusing jump. 2003 and 2004 Gordon are roughly the same. Then 2005 Gordon boosts, due to Half-Life 2, and 2006 Gordon is probably the same once again. By 2007, Half Life 2 has worn off somewhat, but Orange Box gives him a little boost which may or may not have been temporary. Nothing that crazy or non-linear or anything.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/29/2008 8:13:39 PM | message detail
It's funny sowl can't see the blatant Freeman cheating because he's a dirty fangirl.

It's funny that ever since Half-Life 2 came out in 2004, Gordon has been "overperforming" in all his matches. It's funny how people always (and I mean in every single match he's had since then) find excuses for why Gordon overperforms. I know it's hard for characters that many people in these topics don't know to increases in strength, but guess what, it happens. Get used to it. Stop trying to create your stupid theories on why Gordon increased this year. No, he does not overperform when there's stronger characters in the match (that does not make any sense at all). No, he is not stronger when he has a tiny Half-Life symbol in his picture. No, he's not cheating in every single match he's in.

He's strong. That's the only thing you should take out of his matches.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/29/2008 8:15:06 PM | message detail
not buying any argument from a guy who thought Alyx Vance would win a match
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TestIcicles | Posted 9/29/2008 8:15:43 PM | message detail
I don't know about you guys, but outdoing Balthier by 8% is more impressive to me than outdoing GlaDOS by 6%
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/29/2008 8:16:32 PM | message detail
That is not an argument. That is simple truths that people refuse to see because Gordon lost to Tina Armstrong and Max Payne.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/29/2008 8:16:56 PM | message detail
eh, that's a bad comparison. there's no Vincent in this match.

plus, who knows with Glados.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:17:01 PM | message detail

XxSoulxX (#234)
It's funny sowl can't see the blatant Freeman cheating because he's a dirty fangirl.

It's funny that ever since Half-Life 2 came out in 2004, Gordon has been "overperforming" in all his matches. It's funny how people always (and I mean in every single match he's had since then) find excuses for why Gordon overperforms. I know it's hard for characters that many people in these topics don't know to increases in strength, but guess what, it happens. Get used to it. Stop trying to create your stupid theories on why Gordon increased this year. No, he does not overperform when there's stronger characters in the match (that does not make any sense at all). No, he is not stronger when he has a tiny Half-Life symbol in his picture. No, he's not cheating in every single match he's in.

He's strong. That's the only thing you should take out of his matches.


No, see, he's cheating because Gordon Freeman Never Wins! But he was winning, so it was blatant cheating by jerks wanting to ruin a legacy, and these are the same terrorists that cheated L-Block to victory over Link and ruined all credibility of a video game character contest.

Ugh, thinking about tomorrow's match makes me want to vomit. Such horrible characters. I'm really hoping Crono somehow gets second and is utterly humiliated, because that would be the only redeeming thing about that match.
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TestIcicles | Posted 9/29/2008 8:17:09 PM | message detail
man from the way soul is arguing about Gordon I almost half-believe he honestly doesn't think Gordon was getting mass stuffed.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:17:30 PM | message detail
Yeah, not only is Scorpion barely beating out Gordon, but this match says Balthier gets 40% on Scorpion, which is not flattering at all for the ninja. That barely puts him over the fodder line if we take Balthier's 17% on BL last year at face value (which, well, four way stats, but still).
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TestIcicles | Posted 9/29/2008 8:18:56 PM | message detail
I don't see what Vincent has to do with anything... other than him being damn strong and sapping up a large % of the votes. But if that is your point with him, there's also no Wander in this match.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:19:06 PM | message detail
Aren't the stats nonsensical no matter how you look at it? Perhaps everyone's just missing something.

I'd wait until Round 2 before making any inferences myself. Not enough conclusive data.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/29/2008 8:19:45 PM | message detail
Ok, Gordon was cheating. Scorpion was also cheating to catch up to Gordon. Balthier was obviously cheating because there's no way he's that close to an already cheating Scorpion. Big Daddy, like I said yesterday, no one cares about him.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. Also, Gordon has 2684 more votes because of that tiny orange upside down V on his chest. And Scorpion gained 2421 votes because the background in his picture is red.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:20:16 PM | message detail

TestIcicles (#242)
I don't see what Vincent has to do with anything... other than him being damn strong and sapping up a large % of the votes. But if that is your point with him, there's also no Wander in this match.


GlaDOS would've doubled Falco if Wander weren't there to leech her joke votes.
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TestIcicles | Posted 9/29/2008 8:20:58 PM | message detail
Glad you're finally starting to make sense.
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TestIcicles | Posted 9/29/2008 8:22:03 PM | message detail
GlaDOS would've doubled Falco if Wander weren't there to leech her joke votes.

You do realize that if you give GlaDOS 100% of Wander's votes she only defeats Falco by less than 1% right?

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:22:33 PM | message detail
Anyone else hoping Ama gets cheated to first? I want to see Crono suffer, dammit. Though I guess (L-Block >) Ryu > Crono would be sufficient enough, and also plausible.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:23:22 PM | message detail

TestIcicles (#247)
GlaDOS would've doubled Falco if Wander weren't there to leech her joke votes.

You do realize that if you give GlaDOS 100% of Wander's votes she only defeats Falco by less than 1% right?


I'm certain that half of Falco's votes were purely because people were laughing so hard at Wander that they accidentally voted for Falco instead of GlaDOS.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/29/2008 8:28:12 PM | message detail
God damn is tomorrow going to suck.
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