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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 576

Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 7:50:46 PM | message detail
Again, Lich King isn't netting Arthas any votes he didn't already have.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/26/2008 7:54:57 PM | message detail
he's probably making more than one match pic.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 7:55:43 PM | message detail
How long does it to to paste pics together and add some names?

Eh, maybe he really is just busy. It's just kind of weird.

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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:05:07 PM | message detail
You seriously think that exposing Arthas to 5 times the amount of people that knew him last contest won't benefit him at all?
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:07:53 PM | message detail
I mean hell, I could see Arthas getting quite a few votes as the recognizable guy they've been seeing all over Gamefaqs recently.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:10:41 PM | message detail
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ike had a really fierce morning/day vote last year...
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:12:11 PM | message detail
_Hogger_ (#054)
You seriously think that exposing Arthas to 5 times the amount of people that knew him last contest won't benefit him at all?

I think that people knowing him as "That guy in the Lich King ad" isn't helpful.

The only people who'd know him as Arthas already knew of Lich King. Hell, they probably played WC3.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:13:14 PM | message detail
His picture will help since its the main picture of all the promos of the Wrath of the Lich King.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:14:30 PM | message detail
... But the audience you're suggesting Arthas will gain isn't going to recognize him.
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Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 8:15:47 PM | message detail
No one's gonna vote for him because he's in a picture what the hell is wrong with you people
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:16:02 PM | message detail
Just like the audience that Ike had from ssbb announcement didnt help him.

Why do you assume people who plays games different from you are retards?
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Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 8:17:02 PM | message detail
Well, you people being Abilion, not that surprised. Ad boost what the hell.

... well, maybe if Arthas were on some Mountain Dew cans. LICH FUEL. That might get him votes.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:17:15 PM | message detail
Because there's a world of difference between Smash Bros. and WoW on this site?
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:17:56 PM | message detail
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:18:11 PM | message detail
WoW is one of the most played games on this site. Show me another game that came out 4 years ago thats still on the top 10 faqs on Gamefaqs
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:19:06 PM | message detail
*sigh* Comparing one of the most anticipated games of the year to a game 85% of this site doesn't even play what the hell
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:19:56 PM | message detail
Wotlk is more anticipated then SSBB ever was. Just look at preorder numbers.
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Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 8:21:14 PM | message detail
Get out of here, man. Get that filth out of here. On this site? You're ridiculous.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 8:21:16 PM | message detail
Ho-kay, never listening to you again.

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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:22:07 PM | message detail
Maybe not on this site (Though its easily one of the most anticipated games of the year on this site, due to how active the wow forums on gamefaqs are), but its more then enough to carry the most well known character of the series over just another guy in SSBB.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/26/2008 8:22:10 PM | message detail
Arthas doesn't need WotlK to advance to the second round. I don't understand this Ike support at all. Without Pikachu there, I say the 2 go even. With Pikachu there, this isn't even worth discussing.
_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:24:52 PM | message detail
Well, you people being Abilion, not that surprised. Ad boost what the hell.

And to this. When Arthas is winning, and with WotLK ads all over the site, expect people to moan about how Bacon is biased to Arthas and giving him an unfair edge, etc.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 8:24:56 PM | message detail
Bacon now has 35 minutes to produce a match pic.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/26/2008 8:36:34 PM | message detail
Round 1

Division 3- Match 2

Frog


The comeback master returns, unfortunately it looks like he has this match easily

Ganondorf

How much will he suck this year?

KOS-MOS

With no SFF to help her out, can she make a match with Frog?

Necrophiliac Sack

lol more useless fodder

Analysis:

I don't get it.

People are talking about how this match is going to be another Frog classic, but there are many things pointing to a nice, comfortable second place by Frog. First of all, KOS-MOS has similar trends, so there won't be any massive vote swings and last minute rallying. The lead won't change much after the first hour. Secondly, Xenosaga is now another year older, while Chrono Trigger has (finally) gotten a DS remake which comes out in December. This may not have much effect on this match, but it can't hurt. Thirdly:

Frog (2007c) VS KOS-MOS (2007c)

Frog has a strength of 20.25.
KOS-MOS has a strength of 19.28.

Frog wins with 52.40% of the vote!
A win of 6,222 with 129,898 total votes cast.

Keeping in mind that KOS-MOS's value comes from that SFF-fest that was Knuckles/Mega Man/Yoshi. She stuck out like a sore thumb in both of her matches and has a lot of reason to overperform in the stats.

I don't know, but it seems to me this should be a relatively boring match, but I've been wrong before.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Ganondorf 43%, Frog 25%, KOS-MOS 21%, Neku 11%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Ganondorf > Frog
TuRtLe's Vote:Frog
Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:37:23 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe (#071)
Arthas doesn't need WotlK to advance to the second round. I don't understand this Ike support at all. Without Pikachu there, I say the 2 go even. With Pikachu there, this isn't even worth discussing.

Pikachu and Ike have distinct fanbases, you know.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:39:51 PM | message detail
Yep, they do. Pikachu mainly comes from Pokemon and SSBB, and Ike is only SSBB. Uh oh!
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/26/2008 8:40:14 PM | message detail
Division 3: Round 1 - Match 10 – Frog vs. Ganondorf vs. KOS-MOS vs. Neku Sakuraba

Moltar’s Analysis

Frog
Game/Series Known From: Chrono Trigger
2007 Results: 2nd Place in Round 1 vs. Samus, Axel and Kerrigan
3rd Place in Round 2 vs. Samus, Scorpion and Midna

Remember when Frog used to be a threat? Those were the days…

Ganondorf
Game/Series Known From: Legend of Zelda
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1 vs. Vergil, Thrall and Ratchet
1st Place in Round 2 vs. Luigi, Mudkip and Vergil
3rd Place in Round 3 vs. Master Chief, Luigi and Yuna

Brawl Character #10, darn you bacondorf

KOS-MOS
Game/Series Known From: Xenosaga
2007 Results: 2nd Place in Round 1 vs. Mega Man, Arthas and Diablo
4th Place in Round 2 vs. Mega Man, Yoshi and Knuckles

This contest cutie makes her usual contest appearance

Neku
Game/Series Known From: The World Ends With You
2007 Results: N/A

And the second TWEWY character steps up to the plate

Last year, Ganondorf unfairly had the quarterfinals taken from him. He was dominant and unstoppable until something round happened in Round 3. Something so horrifying, so disfigured, so ugly, that it killed all the momentum he had built up until that point. Thanks to that...thing, Ganondorf was shot down by Luigi.

But that was the past, and it’s all behind us now. This year, Ganondorf will rise once again. On his first stop on the path of Ganon-ownage, he takes on Frog, KOS-MOS and Neku. None of these characters are in his league, so he’ll be taking first place easily.

A debate can be made between Frog and KOS-MOS for second though. We all know how Frog is. He looked awesome in 2004, but since then, he has failed to live up to that reputation. Like Magus, he’s pretty much become a shell of his former self in these contests. Don’t get me wrong though, both Frog and Magus still have some strength in them.

KOS-MOS has always been a decent competitor, though these four way matches aren’t doing much for her. Last year she didn’t look great, only escaping Round 1 thanks to Arthas and Diablo killing each other. This year, her biggest threat is a guy that needed everything to beat Axel, a third-string character on the KH totem pole. Ooh, this is tough.

Still, when in doubt, choose Frog. For some reason, he has a crazy and “powerful” fanbase who will “assist” him when he needs help in close matches. Frog has fallen far, and while I do think KOS-MOS will keep it close, I’m backing Frog because of his more dedicated fanbase.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ganondorf > Frog

Moltar’s Prediction is: Ganondorf: 41% - Frog: 24% - KOS-MOS: 23% - Neku: 12%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Here's a weird one. Ganon should mop up, but what happens for second could be interesting. On one hand, Frog shouldn't have any problem taking second here, but given how Frog performs - he's one step away from Magus-levels of trust - when it's tight who knows. KOS-MOS had a solid performance last year, but only barely slipped by Arthas/Diablo, who both no doubt suffered from a split Blizzard vote, and she may be able to take advantage of that yet again here.

The big thing here is how much Neku matters. While he's from a relatively obscure game in The World Ends With You, he's still no doubt pulling from the Square fanbase - it seems loved enough on this site. The fans of this game seem like the rabid type, who are going to come out in full to support this dude. More than likely, it won't amount to a whole lot, but it could hold Frog back, and that could allow KOS-MOS to slip by.
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 8:40:16 PM | message detail
Bacon now has 20 minutes to give us a match pic.

Unless...48 hours of Samus/Nightmare/Crash/Raz bets match ever

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/26/2008 8:40:38 PM | message detail
I'm not expecting this to be the case, though. As mentioned TWEWY is a rather 'cult' thing, in the same vein as something like Disgaea. Its got a fanbase, they're probably a loyal bunch in spite of the game being so new, but I doubt its cycled through the site enough to be that big of a deal. And for whatever it's worth, Frog has CTDS coming soon. It is port hype, which is dubious at best, but it's something.
damn you chrono trigger characters and being weak

Prediction: Ganondorf - 46% ; Frog - 22% ; KOS-MOS - 18% ; Neku - 14%
Bracket: Ganondorf > Frog
Vote: Frog


Yoblazer’s Analysis

Well look who we have here (it is Frog). Get out the inhalers, guyz, we might be needing them. Today's match is another in the category where we have an obvious winner, an obvious lamb, but a pretty contested battle in the middle. And guess who is in the middle oh hay there Frog glad to see you.

Ganondorf, The Legend of Zelda's sinister antagonist, is the clear choice for first place today. He'd trounce any of his three opponents in a standard match, and, as if he needed any help, is the poll's only Nintendo option. On the opposite end of the spectrum sits Neku Sakuraba, main character from The World Ends With You. We've already seen Neku's counterpart, Sho, bomb pretty hard in this contest, so this guy's outlook is extremely bleak. He may do a bit better than Sho (being the main protagonist and all), but he'll still be doomed to last place by a mile.

With those two seedy buns out of the way, we can finally get to the meat of this match: Frog vs. KOS-MOS. Yes, I said Frog. Did I mention to call the ambulance? Maybe the fire department, too. Yes because it is Frog and he has shown to bring about such things or something like that who cares it's Frog.

I think if you look at the long histories of these two, Frog proves to be the stronger competitor, but it can also be argued that ha has fallen more sharply than KOS-MOS over the years. Yes, he was responsible for one of the most exciting moments of last year's contest, but it still was just a rally-fueled, last minute win over Axel. Frog then followed that up by losing handily to Scorpion - a beating no rally could have turned. Objectively, KOS-MOS had the more impressive contest. She was able to take advantage of the Diablo/Arthas fanbase split and move on to the second round, despite probably being weaker than either of them intrinsically.

So, who do you go with when decent arguments can be made on either side? You go for ****ing Frog, for the love of ****. Are you kidding me? In my opinion, this guy has officially taken Knuckles's dropped "Never Loses in the First Round" title. Frog makes a damned heart attack out of everything, but he always manages to pull through before cardiac arrest claims his amphibious life. If the contest is close, Frog wins. No ifs. No ands. No buts. Frog wins when it counts. Granted, I'm not even expecting this match to be that close, but if KOS-MOS surprises us and makes it so, Frog is the best damn bracket insurance policy (in the first round) you can ask for.

Frog - 25%
Ganondorf - 43%
KOS-MOS - 22%
Neku Sakuraba - 10%



Lopen’s Analysis

All things considered, this match looks a lot like Luigi's pack. Elite Nintendo, TWEWY character, two midcarders. Liquid being significantly better than Frog and KOS-MOS, Roxas being significantly worse. Should about equal out, I expect %s for Neku and Ganondorf similar to what Luigi and Sho got. (Sorry, Neku, you don't get the Sho rant treatment as this match is debatable)
Master Moltar | Posted 9/26/2008 8:41:14 PM | message detail
So where does the rest of the percentage go? Frog is no doubt the favorite here... he has the achievement advantage and the "when it's close, Frog will cheat" factor going in. That being said... based on past contests KOS-MOS will keep this thing very close. Last year... I'd consider her round 1 four pack to be on par with both of Frog's... and her percentage, right about the same too. People are quick to say "Samus is stronger than Mega Man so Frog's lookin better coming in" but Diablo/Arthas's advantage over Axel and KERRIGAN (and Scorpion/Midna) are being underestimated. Even SFFed, I'd take them as the stronger duo.

Meanwhile, in previous contests KOS-MOS has also been about on par with Frog. In 2005 Frog did about 3% worse on Samus than KOS-MOS did... mind you, 2003 KOS-MOS is probably stronger than she is now, and 2003 Samus is probably weaker than 2005 Samus.. but something to think about. There are other parallels, but they require too much indirect matching for my tastes. Also, most importantly, who would consider KOS-MOS over Axel? I'd take it... I can't be the only one.

That being said, there isn't that much to say about this match. I basically took KOS-MOS because she's hotter than Frog and told me there was an approximately 62.3400012% chance of her obtaining more votes than Frog based on her calculations involving barometric pressure and nineteen geopolitical factors. KOS-MOS wouldn't lie to me, so I feel safe. I mean, if you're more into that whole amphibian thing like some B8ers are, or are afraid of cheaters, you take Frog.

Basically what I'm saying is this match is a total toss-up contrary to what some Frog pickers might tell you, and you basically just pick who you want to win/gut/x-factors. No real stat way to analyze this one. I have this sneaking feeling that KOS-MOS might hold up better than Frog in multi-way polls because of TJF and all that, and because Xenosaga is way more cult than Chrono Trigger on this site and yet she still does about as well as Frog in spite of that... implying that her fanbase might be more loyal, but we haven't much raw evidence to support that this won't just be close all the way.

Lopen's Prediction:
Ganondorf – 39.03%
KOS-MOS – 26.00%
Frog – 25.02%
Neku Sakuraba – 9.95%



Transience’s Analysis

going out of town in two hours augh can't even see pictures

Ganon/Frog:

time for some FROGFEAR. Frog and KOS-MOS are dead-equal statistically:

KOS-MOS 30.25% 34246
Samus Aran 69.75% 78948
TOTAL VOTES 113194

Samus Aran 70.05% 68106
Frog 29.95% 29112
TOTAL VOTES 97218

...but you wouldn't know it since people are terrified of Frog. they think Frog has some kind of "clutch ability", which is flat-out silly. Frog has a strong fanbase that will come to his rescue if it's super-close, but he also has the worst day vote this side of Kefka, and Chrono Trigger is yet another year older and probably still in a freefall. (no, Chrono Trigger DS being announced isn't going to turn things around, not until it's out.)

the logical argument for Frog is simple - Chrono Trigger is miles more popular than Xenosaga - but that was the same argument we used for Frog over Axel and Frog basically lost that match. as for KOS-MOS, I'd argue that she's more popular amongst the Xenosaga fanbase than Frog is with the CT fanbase. yeah, Xenosaga's play rate is lower, but KOS is actually appealing to regular people: it's a hot android chick vs. a frog. we've seen the arguments against Xenosaga's popularity before, but KOS-MOS has never had a problem putting up consistently good numbers for five years: 60%+ on two very well-known characters, Amy Rose and Crash. 38% on Aeris and Ryu. she's not a powerhouse, but Frog is barely over the fodder line so she doesn't have to be.
Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:41:14 PM | message detail
_Hogger_ (#076)
Yep, they do. Pikachu mainly comes from Pokemon and SSBB, and Ike is only SSBB. Uh oh!

Obviously that's not the case, or Ike wouldn't have even been in contention to place last year. Announcements barely helped anyone not named Snake or Sonic, and current SSBB support looks to overwhelmingly favor Ike.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/26/2008 8:41:48 PM | message detail
..and after saying all this, I can't pick her. chalk me up as one of the scared. or chalk me up as someone who thinks Xenosaga is fading fast, even faster than Chrono Trigger. whatever. I hate this match.

Frog's overrated
almost got beat by Axel
crushed by Scorpion

transience's prediction: Ganondorf with 45.55%, Frog with 23.04%, KOS-MOS with 21.78%, Neku with 9.63%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Nothing wrong with the occasional slight breather like today provided, but still, it's good to be back into the realm of debatable matches! For tonight we've got one heavy hitter, almost-fodders, and one mid-ranger fodder (most likely). There's plenty to be excited about here IMO, so let's hop right to it!

When we last saw our heroes...

Last Known Values:
Ganon - 31.88% (2007)
Frog - 20.25% (2007)
KOS-MOS - 19.28% (2007)
Neku - new

To start, Ganon's head and heels above the competition and shouldn't be challenged here. Even so, how he does could be another of those pretty good barometers for where Nintendo stands currently, much like Samus provided today. It won't be quite as pure since I think Frog works at least somewhat like a Nintendo character himself, but is still something to watch out for. Neku should also be worth keeping an eye on- we've already seen one TWEWY character in action, but he got about the worst draw this side of Geno in having to contend with a Kingdom Hearts character all day long, so I wouldn't put much faith in his final value; today should give us a much more accurate estimate of whether or not TWEWY is worth anything in these Contests.

But of course the real heart of the meat is Frog/KOS. As I see it, Frog has two things working for him and two working against him. The two against him are that Neku is a fellow Square RPG character (this probably won't matter too much in the long run through- they're seperated by so many years and console generations that I can't see there being a huge overlap like there apparently was with KH) and, much more importantly, he always seems to play down to the level of his competition. As much as we love to glorify Frog and blast his Theme as he pulls out close matches, I think we tend to forget that those matches were only close due to him choking relative to expectations. Axel, Master Chief, Liquid Snake... well alright, so he did rise to a challenge once against Snake, but between Solid *(&$ and rally power and whatever other crazy stuff was going on at the time, I don't know how much stock we should put in it. So, its entirely possible that he allows KM to hang in this match much longer than he ought to.

The two points in Frog's favor here, however, easily outweigh those two negatives in my estimation. The first is that if you're going to beat Frog, you need to have a very strong Day Vote and/or ASV. KOS-MOS is unfortunately lined up perfectly the opposite in her trends- she's good at the start of matches and through the overnight, but wilts when the sun rises and doesn't do any ASV damage. With Chrono Trigger being such a powerhouse in the first three hours, I'm having trouble seeing her be able to take the lead at any point during this poll. And the second point is of course that Frog doesn't lose close matches. If you want to come away with the win you better have built up a 500 vote lead by the final half hour, because otherwise this Board will do everything in their power to keep the comeback tradition alive.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/26/2008 8:42:24 PM | message detail
Oh, and I guess there's two other points worth noting as well. In Frog's favor: Chrono Trigger DS. Maybe it hasn't had any kind of impact yet, but even so, it could only mean good things for him as the release date approaches. And in KM's favor: she's going to look really good in this match pic (at least if SB uses the picture Zen submitted for her, and he'd be crazy not to!).

So although I think Frog should be able to surive and advance in this one, I don't exactly see him doing so in style. With that in mind, the numbers in the pot, and after a bit of stirring, we find...

Ganondorf - 43.89%
Frog - 21.82%
KOS-MOS - 20.72%
Neku Sakuraba - 13.55%

I love it!

Ngamer Says: Ganon > Frog



Guest’s Analysis - DpOblivion

Samus looks solid with a 52% performance today, and we will see a lesser but still dangerous Nintendo power today in Ganondorf. While his victory isn't quite as guaranteed as the Noble Niner's, there should be no question about his victory tomorrow.

Also, like today, although there could be some reason to think about the possibility of an upset, second place should go to Frog relatively easily. While KOS-MOS has some strength, as Fei Fong Wong demonstrated, she's just not going to stand up to the stronger characters.

While Frog always likes to keep things interesting, Frog has struggled mightily against Samus on multiple occasions, and while Ganondorf isn't as strong, he's plenty strong enough of a Nintendo vote to defeat Frog 1-on-1. Add in the fact that also in the poll are a fairly-popular RPG character in KOS-MOS and a popular niche RPG character in Neku, and the SFF will push Frog even further away.

As for second, there's no question that the Chrono Trigger vote will be greater than the Xenogears vote, and we've seen both Frog and KOS-MOS plenty, so there won't be any surprises here, and there's no reason to think that there could be rSFF in play here.

Neku's just happy to be here, and like Sho, he should bring up a distant rear.

The biggest question here may be how high does Ganondorf go? We saw him get 49% in the first round last year against weak opponents, and while his first round opponents this year are certainly stronger, they are concentrated into the same genre. Frog may only appeal to the older crowd, Xenogears is lacking in the mainstream vote, and Neku is niche. 50% is tough, but I can see Ganondorf pulling it off (Oracle shows I may be highly overrating Ganondorf here, but whatever).

The only thing this is missing is a Notre Game sig....

Dp's bracket says: Ganondorf > Frog

Dp's prediction is: Ganondorf > Frog

Ganondorf - 51%
Frog - 23%
KOS-MOS - 17%
Neku - 9%



Crew Consensus: Ganondorf > Frog is...unanimous! Well Lopen thinks otherwise, but it's Lopen!
Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:43:29 PM | message detail
Ganondorf > Frog is...unanimous!

We should start worrying.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 8:45:14 PM | message detail
Really, Ike/Pika/Arthas comes down to how much you think Pika and Ike will hurt each other and how much respect your give Arthas. I don't think they'll hurt each other too badly, and I have little respect for Arthas; the more I think about it, the more likely it seems that he didn't share any sort of significant LFF with Diablo and just isn't very strong.

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Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 8:46:27 PM | message detail
Lopen: Fightin crew groupthink one match at a time
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:46:35 PM | message detail
KP's got it.

People need to get over this perception of LFF that just sharing a company means you share a fanbase.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:47:44 PM | message detail
You know, Frog > Liquid, Frog > MC, and Samus > Frog > Axel were all unanimous or close to unanimous on this board.....does Frog win any of them without our brackets?
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:47:59 PM | message detail
the more I think about it, the more likely it seems that he didn't share any sort of significant LFF with Diablo and just isn't very strong.

Yeah, and Cloud/Sephiroth don't LFF eachother, either.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/26/2008 8:48:12 PM | message detail
I haven't voiced any opinion on this match, but just to get one in before the bell - I'm pretty confident KOS-MOS will win. Don't really have a reason why, other than with her last game coming out in 2006 I'm not seeing much reason for her to fade (although Xenosaga's relative weakness to CT makes it fade faster I guess).
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Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 8:48:53 PM | message detail
To be fair, if any company I buy company LFF for, it's Blizzard. It seems that almost every Starcraft fan has played Diablo and Warcraft. They advertise each other, they all work on the same battle.net.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 8:49:07 PM | message detail
Yeah, and Cloud/Sephiroth don't LFF eachother, either.

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Dude, what the hell? Do I even need to respond to this idiocy?

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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:49:15 PM | message detail
I don't care, I'm losing two points anyway. KOS-MOS just needs to shut that thief down once and for all.
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:49:57 PM | message detail
If you're a Blizzard fan, you generally play all 3 of their big three games. Blizzard loyalty is only rivaled by Nintendo loyalty. So Diablo/Arthas would LFF more then most characters.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/26/2008 8:50:56 PM | message detail
Can you guarantee me that every Warcraft player holds Diablo in the same regard?
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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:51:22 PM | message detail

Dude, what the hell? Do I even need to respond to this idiocy?


What I'm saying is that saying that two major characters from the same company that have been in eachothers games and are the two biggest icons for a company DO LFF. To say otherwise just makes you look foolish.
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/26/2008 8:51:38 PM | message detail
Still no match pic? Only 10 minutes to go...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/26/2008 8:51:51 PM | message detail
I take it KP is talking out of his ass again. Just ignore him and you'll find yourself repeating the obvious less often.

And I can't see KOS-MOS even being in contention here. Frog will dominate the first hour and should take the night. KOS-MOS sucks during the day, so she can't make a move there, and the second night is Frog's domain.
_Hogger_ | Posted 9/26/2008 8:52:03 PM | message detail
Can you guarantee me that every Warcraft player holds Diablo in the same regard?

Can you guarantee me that every Mario player holds Zelda in the same regard?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 8:52:35 PM | message detail
No, no. You just compared the hero/villain of one game to a hero and villain from two separate games. I don't care if all Blizzard games somehow share the exact same fanbase, that just does not happen.

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