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| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 2:27:05 PM | message detail |
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Er I guess that's not exactly true... that was two hours before the
end... of which half an hour was blatant stuffing, same thing. You remember what they'd always say about Kefka? Kefka didn't spike Vercetti just fell off more. Yeah. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/26/2008 2:29:20 PM | message detail |
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Point taken that MC's squad wouldn't need to cheat if Frog's squad
didn't catch up, assuming they cheated (and I personally do, which I
now just account to Frog's general strength and x-factors). Still, I
don't think you can praise MC for doing what Frog did. If MC cheated
first and Frog cheated as MC caught up, would you automatically diss MC? Ok, we have evidence for Master Chief linking here: http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=10455 This is true, and this actually gives me a great opportunity to bring up one of my "finer" hours: http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=12335 I did an experiment from that GFA poll when I encouraged them to link to it, and I still have the info from Arbiter/Mega Man: For a poll that was up for about twelve hours, Arbiter was 82-18'ing Mega Man. The poll had 675 votes, 550 for Arbiter and 125 to Mega Man...but before the link went up, Arbiter had 18 votes to Mega Man's 60. This implies Arbiter was getting 89% of the votes from that linkage... ...so if Arbiter can get 89% against Mega Man when the webmaster insinuates it wouldn't take much to sway the match, it's got to go 90+% (maybe 95+%?) for MC against Frog when the webmaster explicitly says he's losing. I assume MC got ~750 votes from that... ...so, while that's not cheating, one could say Frog wouldn't have needed to rally/cheat if MC didn't get some major linkage, then MC wouldn't have retaliated. Fun-fact: Arbiter had 118 votes total in his first two matches (one was against Zero, and I forget the other). You can imagine GFA's shock when Arbiter's got 550 against Mega Man halfway through the poll. =) --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/26/2008 2:34:42 PM | message detail |
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that's the greatest board 8 experiment ever. GFA got wrecked that day. --- xyzzy http://users.tpg.com.au/112358//85454546braidav.gif |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/26/2008 2:36:29 PM | message detail |
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Man that was 1 long day hiatus. A I the only one surprised by Crash? --- Warning, there is a bear right behind you. Ride Him. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/26/2008 2:42:57 PM | message detail |
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Haha, you don't know how hard I worked to make that happen too. So many
e-mails to the HBO guy, plus Arbiter SHOULD have lost to Zero from the
round before. Do you know how difficult it is to rally as few votes as
possible on other message boards off of GameFAQs to not make it look
too suspicious (you know, other than Arbiter > Zero)? I have no idea
how many accounts I made on other websites on tiny message boards..... --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 2:48:23 PM | message detail |
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Hmm...some comparisons: Frog vs. Master Chief Frog's vote intake from midnight to 1 AM: 1289 Frog's vote intake from 4 PM to 5 PM (height of ASV): 2827 Frog vs. Solid Snake Frog's intake from midnight to 1 AM: 1054 Frog's intake from 4 PM to 5 PM: 2562 Frog vs. Liquid Snake Frog's intake from midnight to 1 AM: 1264 Frog's intake from 4 PM to 5 PM: 1704 This looks extremely suspicious, until one realizes it was a weekend match. Master Chief vs. Crash Bandicoot (It turns out MC lost ground on Crash from the 1 hour mark to the end. Crash day vote = amazing, confirmed!) MC's intake from midnight to 1 AM: 1760 MC's intake from 4 PM to 5 PM: 2182 Another weekend match. Those are the only MC/Frog matches from 2004, and comparing Frog/MC to Frog/Solid Snake, Frog only did a little better at night relative to his ASV against MC. Unless you want to argue Frog was rallying/stuffing during the ASV also, I don't think you really have a case against him here. --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 2:52:34 PM | message detail |
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Er...Frog/Liquid and MC/Crash were summer matches actually. --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/26/2008 3:08:14 PM | message detail |
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So, let's say for the sake of argument that Frog and Phoenix Wright are going 50-50 into the final hour. ...Who does Board 8 rally/cheat/splooge for? --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 Looking for a new sig. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/26/2008 3:17:29 PM | message detail |
| ribbit ribbit ribbit six hours |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:25:05 PM | message detail |
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One last statement on Frog/Axel: Frog gained around 400 votes on Axel. Let's say he would have picked up around 100 normally. We know that there was a lot of rallying for Frog. If 10 people each rallied 30 votes, that's your remaining 300 right there. For Frog to gain those 400 votes does not require stuffing, given that we know there was rallying. It's possible, but far from clear. --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:26:15 PM | message detail |
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I hope KOS-MOS obliterates Frog tomorrow so we can never bring up this conversation point ever again. --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/26/2008 3:28:35 PM | message detail |
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Scorpion obliterated Frog despite Frog being the bracket fave, and we're still having this conversation. nothing will kill Frog. --- xyzzy http://users.tpg.com.au/112358//85454546braidav.gif |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:29:05 PM | message detail |
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KILL IT --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 3:29:44 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, Frog cheated. Simple as that. Look at the graph, look at the vote
increases. Rallying doesn't do that (unless you link to bungie.net or
something). He might not even need to cheat to beat KOS-MOS tomorrow, but if its a close match she's doomed. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/26/2008 3:29:48 PM | message detail |
| I hope Frog makes it a heart attack and wins in the last two updates. |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/26/2008 3:30:27 PM | message detail |
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I hope KOS-MOS obliterates Frog tomorrow so we can never bring up this conversation point ever again. this but also because I have Ganon > KOS and I don't want to lose more points god damn --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif MerNOICE! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/26/2008 3:32:01 PM | message detail |
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That damn Chrono Trigger fanbase and their Frog-loving ways. You'd
think they would have cheated for Crono in his infinitely more
important match against Vincent, but nooooooooooooo Damn Frog-lovers. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 3:33:18 PM | message detail |
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Glad you see the light. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 3:35:34 PM | message detail |
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Red Sox... I want you to look at something: Frog vs. Master Chief Frog's vote intake from 2 AM to 3 AM: 1174 Frog's vote intake from midnight to 1 AM: 1289 Frog's vote intake from 4 PM to 5 PM (height of ASV): 2827 So yeah... I was pretty much right. You can use your argument to argue for no cheating in the last hour of the poll. Your "vote intake proportion" idea is pretty bogus. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 3:36:10 PM | message detail |
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Oh, that wacky Frog. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:37:33 PM | message detail |
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All the more reason to believe Frog wasn't cheating. 300 is within the
range of rallying; 1700 is not for everything except Starcraft and
Battle.net. Crono did nothing with the second night vote against
Vincent because would-be ralliers knew he was too far gone. --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:38:33 PM | message detail |
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KILL IT --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:39:10 PM | message detail |
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I don't think I understand.....the last hour typically gets fewer votes
than the third to last hour. How does that show cheating? --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 3:39:10 PM | message detail |
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http://blogs.setonhill.edu/TiffanyGilbert/frog.jpg --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/26/2008 3:40:33 PM | message detail |
| Guilty until proven innocent. Bunch of racists I swear. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 3:40:50 PM | message detail |
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If MC cheated first and Frog cheated as MC caught up, would you automatically diss MC? And yeah, I would (or at least, the people stuffing for him). I mean, I'd be squeeing like a fangirl while it was happening, but if it was painfully obvious he cheated first later I would say Frog was justified in cheating. It's not like I dislike Frog as a character so much, if that's what you're thinking I get on his case so much for. And MC might've gained a lot from that site linking... but to me rallying is perfectly legit, stuffing is not. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:42:22 PM | message detail |
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http://ffmux.savingthrow.org/wiki/images/6/6c/Zack3.png --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 3:42:48 PM | message detail |
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I don't think I understand.....the last hour typically gets fewer
votes than the third to last hour. How does that show cheating? The last hour was such BLATANTLY obvious cheating, is what I'm saying, and you can use the vote number argument to claim there was no cheating in the last hour either, despite the fact that there clearly was if you have any common sense at all. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 3:43:07 PM | message detail |
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KILL IT --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:47:25 PM | message detail |
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And yet Frog's numbers were close to what he got against Snake. Was he
cheating in that match too? And the last hour was not obvious stuffing
for either side (that is, it can be explained by rallying), but it was
more suspicious for MC than for Frog, as I said, because it did not
follow the trend of the last 6 hours, which was that Frog was gradually
doing progressively better, ever since Frog first began to stall MC.
You just showed that Frog got fewer votes in the last hour than the
third to last hour, as is typical. The fact that MC went 50-50 with him
there proves Frog is guilty.....how? --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/26/2008 3:47:57 PM | message detail |
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Zack Fair would own both of these guys --- xyzzy http://users.tpg.com.au/112358//85454546braidav.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 3:48:59 PM | message detail |
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If you're going to seriously argue that there wasn't obviously massive
vote stuffing from BOTH sides in the last hour of MC/Frog, I think
we're about done here. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 3:53:10 PM | message detail |
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I think that's what I've been arguing all along- there's plenty of
evidence for rallying by both sides, but no solid evidence for
stuffing. If they were stuffing massively, you'd expect them to get be
getting a higher vote intake, right? And yet Frog's intake fell off
from his ASV to his night vote only slightly less than it did in his
match against Solid Snake. If Frog was stuffing late at night, he was
stuffing during the ASV too. Just because two entrants go 50-50 for an
hour doesn't prove the existence of stuffing- or perhaps Chrono Trigger
and A Link to the Past were stuffing massive amounts of votes all day
long. --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 4:00:27 PM | message detail |
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I thought you were arguing that Frog wasn't stuffing between the 20th
and 23rd hour of the poll when he was making up ground against Master
Chief. I'll humor that. I won't humor there wasn't massive stuffing in
the last hour, and I doubt you'll find much people that do. If I recall
correctly CJayC even said himself after the match "there was stuffing
in the last hour but it about cancelled out so the result stands." --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 4:01:01 PM | message detail |
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http://www.cookingfor.us/catalog/images/stuffing.jpg --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/26/2008 4:06:00 PM | message detail |
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Frog > KOS sans a Frog drop. i never would even put them close. --- *is Dranze* Lloyd/Mudkip/Tom/X - Bracket: X > Mudkip - Vote: X (16/28) |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2008 4:07:18 PM | message detail |
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I think what we disagree on here is the extent of the ability of
rallying to influence matches. Between Frog and MC, including
halo.bungie.org, I'd guess there were in excess of 2000 rallied votes
in that match. Do you think that is too high a number of votes to be
explained by rallying, or that the match picked up more excess votes
than that? --- Character Battle VII --- Score: 28/32 --- T-8 (119 way) Bracket: Samus > Nightmare --- Vote: Samus |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/26/2008 4:08:11 PM | message detail |
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A small Frog drop is possible. CT isn't getting any younger, and the remake isn't out yet. Either way, Frog will be absolutely dominating the beginning. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 4:09:24 PM | message detail |
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For what they're worth, Frog and KOS-MOS are about even according to last year's stats. --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 4:12:03 PM | message detail |
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I'm just going to drop it now. Like I said I'm pretty sure CJayC came
out and said there was stuffing in the last hour... and I think you're
the first person I've ever seen that has even questioned whether there
was any. Anyway. As for KOS-MOS vs Frog: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1340 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2100 Granted, Samus probably rose a bit between 2003 and 2005, and it's possible KOS-MOS fell too, but at the very least it should be enough to throw this match into question. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2008 4:12:10 PM | message detail |
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...So I hope Neku comes out of nowhere and beats both Frog and KOS-MOS. I can dream, I guess! Yesterday's stats: Mega Man X – 50.00% Mudkip – 40.48% Lloyd Irving – 27.15% Tom Nook – 16.28% Full chart: Time | Lloyd | Mudkip | Tom Nook | X PHV | 15.28% | 33.40% | 8.25% | 43.07% | (0:00-1:00) FNV | 16.14% | 29.25% | 7.92% | 46.69% | (1:00-6:00) BSV | 16.94% | 31.84% | 8.89% | 42.34% | (6:00-9:00) DSV | 16.62% | 29.22% | 8.20% | 45.95% | (9:00-14:30) ASV | 16.96% | 30.65% | 9.31% | 43.08% | (14:30-22:00) SNV | 16.92% | 27.04% | 8.79% | 47.25% | (22:00-24:00) Man, today's match might be the most predictable fourway ever. Just about everyone predicted the percentages pretty closely. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2008 4:13:11 PM | message detail |
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Also, I maintain Frog/KOS-MOS will be determined solely by the amount
of...bustitude KOS-MOS is showing in the match pic. TJF will once again
rule! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/26/2008 4:19:19 PM | message detail |
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CT isn't getting any younger and neither is XS..? i mean at least CT is the popular game. it'll get older a lot slower than Xenosaga of all things. Granted, Samus probably rose a bit between 2003 and 2005, and it's possible KOS-MOS fell too, but at the very least it should be enough to throw this match into question. KOS-MOS in that year was a different beast along with Samus being considerably stronger since then. i would never have KOS-MOS go 50/50 with Axel. neither would i have her get 18% on Samus since she barely did the same thing with Mega Man AND the aid of a split between PC characters. --- *is Dranze* Lloyd/Mudkip/Tom/X - Bracket: X > Mudkip - Vote: X (16/28) |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/26/2008 4:21:12 PM | message detail |
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bacon digging through kos-mos submissions to find the one with the biggest/most exposed boobage confirmed --- Moltar Status: augh Crash/Nightmare/Raz/Samus - Bracket: Samus > Nightmare - Vote: Samus (22/32) |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/26/2008 4:22:11 PM | message detail |
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let's go XS3 character model --- CB7 Score: 24/32 - Hooray Division 2. English is my second language. And Sho made me like math. -_HarpuiaX_ |
| Lopen | Posted 9/26/2008 4:22:17 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I'd take KOS-MOS to beat Axel but I guess that's just me. In any case even split Diablo/Arthas deserves a hell of a lot more respect than Kerrigan. Axel is stronger than the two, but not by a huge amount. Packs seem about equal to me. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2008 4:28:31 PM | message detail |
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As of right now, Samus is getting 75.30% on Crash Bandicoot, 69.94% on Nightmare, and 86.39% on Raz. Nightmare is getting 55.73% on Crash and 73.17% on Raz. Crash is getting 67.55% on Raz. Fun Facts: In her first round match last year, Samus got 73.52% on Frog (which implies Crash/Frog might be a decent match!) and 65.69% on Scorpion. Looks like Scorps still has a leg up on Nightmare. Phoenix Wright got 52.98% on Crash last year. Not TOO far off of Nightmare. Perhaps Phoenix/Frog WOULD be a close match! Solid Snake got 72.04% on Nightmare in Round 1 last year and 77.38% in round 2. Nightmare probably underperformed due to the much stronger competition, but either way, Snake looks better than Samus on Nightmare. I was thinking about doing time demographic charts for other contests. Would anyone be interested in seeing them if I did them? --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/26/2008 4:29:27 PM | message detail |
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I doubt KOS-MOS beats Axel. KH is so far ahead of Xenosaga that I could see Axel taking out KOS-MOS. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/26/2008 4:29:42 PM | message detail |
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you'd have to make new charts for our summer contests. --- xyzzy http://users.tpg.com.au/112358//85454546braidav.gif |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/26/2008 4:29:52 PM | message detail |
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FROG! --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
