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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 574
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/23/2008 11:13:17 PM | message detail |
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I mean base Sonic is stronger than pre-Halo 3 MC even in this format.
Last year, I would take Chief > Sonic without hesitation. Now, with
no Halo 3 release to keep him up, I don't think Chief can compete at
that level. It's still a very possible upset, but Chief beating Snake
is completely a pipe dream. Then again, I have Ryu in the finals, so.... |
| Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 11:15:13 PM | message detail |
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I mean base Sonic is stronger than pre-Halo 3 MC even in this format. Again... based on what? Master Chief didn't have Halo 3 in the first two or three rounds and he still looked better than Sonic in his matches. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/23/2008 11:16:53 PM | message detail |
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Aw yeah Knuckles! --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| Keno316 | Posted 9/23/2008 11:19:06 PM | message detail |
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Some more cuts like that, and this might actually get interesting one day comes. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB *Claims Kiddy Grade's Eclair & C.C.* |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/23/2008 11:20:57 PM | message detail |
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Bleh N_N --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| Xuxon | Posted 9/23/2008 11:21:37 PM | message detail |
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Ryu in the finals? I'd definitely call Chief > Snake before that, even after MGS4. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| creativename | Posted 9/23/2008 11:21:51 PM | message detail |
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On my first bracket filling, I actually had Mega Man X over Mario in
the round where I thought Luigi and Bowser would be there. But that was
before I realized Mario would be a big favorite, plus Mega Man getting
SFFed against Link (albeit, pic factor may have played some role in
that). Also, I realized that my initial thought of Mega Man X=Mega Man
in strength was likely significantly off. And now it looks like one of Bowser/Luigi has a good chance of not even being in that match. However, while I think Mario is still the clear favorite over MMX, unless MMX flops in his first match I'd say MMX>Mario is not totally out of the question. Though it is a bit of a stretch. And I'd say Link>Mario the round after that is close to a lock. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/23/2008 11:22:25 PM | message detail |
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Based on his first round match. Sonic (2005c) VS Yuna (2005c) Sonic has a strength of 38.50. Yuna has a strength of 26.10. Sonic wins with 66.10% of the vote! A win of 32,744 with 101,665 total votes cast. That's about the same that Chief scored less than a week before Halo 3 came out, when the hype campaign was at a fever pitch, and considering he didn't do much different in the second round, it's safe to say that his boost started with his first match. Take away Halo 3 and suddenly he's weaker. |
| Xuxon | Posted 9/23/2008 11:24:44 PM | message detail |
| yeah i agree with that creativename. i ended up
taking x > mario in round 3, but the link > x > mario pickers
just baffle me. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/23/2008 11:25:25 PM | message detail |
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Chief has a chance at Sonic, but I wouldn't call it a good one. I wouldn't pick Chief to beat Squall in this format. --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Final Fantasy 4 DS, Spore ~*ST*~ |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/23/2008 11:26:38 PM | message detail |
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Isn't MC projected to be getting >40% in this match =/ --- Feel my truth. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 11:28:43 PM | message detail |
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I'm comparing round 1 to round 1. Look at Chief's whole four pack, and
Sonic's whole four pack... definitely advantage Chief... ignoring his
so called projections on Yuna and whatnot. I wouldn't pick Chief to beat Squall in this format. Despite Chief doing 5% better in a match involving stronger competition than Squall did? "Lol 1v1 X-Stat blinders" --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| creativename | Posted 9/23/2008 11:35:47 PM | message detail |
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On Master Chief vs. Sonic, I put MC in my bracket. And Sonic team is of course notorious in this format. However, with Nintendo characters somewhat disappointing this year, it does seem like hype helps a lot. And the Halo 3 hype probably helped MC significantly. He might be slightly weaker this year himself - probably is, I'd say, if not by much. I'd still pick MC over Sonic though. But...there is the Sonic playable in Brawl factor. While it looks like the Brawl factor has disappointed so far, I don't think I'd lump that his situation in with the rest - Sonic in Brawl could help him out noticeably. Brawl effect for Sonic might be a different beast than for the others. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 9/23/2008 11:38:38 PM | message detail |
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Wow, I hadn't looked at the percentages in a while. Though he'll no
doubt suck in the daytime, Fei is looking pretty damn good so far. And Mario is bleeding more percentage overnight more than I'd expect. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/24/2008 12:31:33 AM | message detail |
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So the stats topic have been dead for 50 minutes. Fei has kicked ass Mario is bleeding Zelda has increased her lead. Knuckles did two cuts in a row. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/24/2008 12:34:28 AM | message detail |
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Wow, look at Knuckles go. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| creativename | Posted 9/24/2008 12:44:56 AM | message detail |
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Saw some confusion about LFF in the last topic. While by literal definition it may fall under the umbrella of "same fanbase", as that's exactly what's going on, it's not quite the same thing traditional SFF. For instance, Cloud can't SFF Sephiroth too much one-one-one, but in a 4-pack match he can LFF him to death - and yet still be hurt himself. So while the semantics for SFF and LFF are the same, the voting *mechanics* are very different. Also in terms of analysis, there's a big difference between one person purely gobbling up the other guy's votes (which is possible - even in a 4-way, you might have an SFF situation that isn't LFF), versus them hurting each other (even if one character is less hurt by it). So it's makes it more convenient to have two terms. It's less confusing that way. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Lopen | Posted 9/24/2008 1:00:17 AM | message detail |
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I prefer just to say "they're SFFing each other" or "they're both
weakened due to SFF" in the case of a four way, because that's
basically what LFF means: Mutual damage as a result of a SFF matchup.
LFF basically adds more people saying "what's LFF" than it's worth in
my opinion. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/24/2008 1:15:39 AM | message detail |
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Well they can look it up. I haven't touched the stats topic since the
last one ended (probably before that, can't remember posting during
L-Block's win etc) and I could remember what it was, it's not
difficult. I like having another acronym. --- How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? "You're...the ****!" - Otacon to Snake, MGS4 |
| __Smurf__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:19:32 AM | message detail |
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Knux starting to step it up with the stalls, at only 1500 down he's got a shot. --- Smurf. The cream of Sonic Fanboyism you're like some devious internet fiend- Majin |
| Lopen | Posted 9/24/2008 1:21:35 AM | message detail |
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Eh, to me LFF is basically just fluff stats jargon. Saves you about
three or four words. SFF takes about a paragraph to explain
sufficiently, whereas LFF is, in its most verbose terms: "Multiple
characters in a SFF situation being mutually weakened in a multi-way
poll." --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| __hiei__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:23:19 AM | message detail |
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Fei 23.26% Knuckles 20.93% Mario 34.88% Zelda 20.93% he stalled Zelda there but they were both rocked by FEI lol. this match is awesome. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/24/2008 1:23:55 AM | message detail |
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On a more awesome note: Fei just took second in the last update, cutting both Zelda and Knux. Whoo! Let's go Fei! --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| __hiei__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:30:27 AM | message detail |
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Mario is really sucking right now...he's got two 34% updates in a row >_> i can't help but think how pretty much any other noble niner would probably be doing better in this match..yeah i realise Zelda's hurting him,but still... |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/24/2008 1:32:49 AM | message detail |
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come on Knuckles! --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer NOICE |
| Lopen | Posted 9/24/2008 1:33:25 AM | message detail |
| Mega Man got about 38% on a four pack that was
virtually identical to this one last year. (Yoshi->Zelda,
Knuckles->Knuckles, KOS-MOS->Fei) This isn't a dominating
performance, but if his opponents are avoiding significant SFF it's not
something to call for Mario's head for either, once the day vote
finishes. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| __Smurf__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:36:04 AM | message detail |
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And it's very debatable if Mega Man is even in the Noble 9 anymore and like you said KOS-MOS replaced with Fei. You can't just disregard this performance from Mario, it looks very suspect. --- Smurf. The cream of Sonic Fanboyism you're like some devious internet fiend- Majin |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/24/2008 1:39:01 AM | message detail |
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Yeah that's what Mega Man got. I know I would take Yoshi over Zelda, and Fei should be equal to KOS-MOS. But we all expect Mario to be a good deal stronger than 07 Mega Man, considering Mario Galaxy, Brawl and Mario Kart Wii. And I think with this update Knuckles is now a lost case. KUdos to all who picked Zelda. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/24/2008 1:39:28 AM | message detail |
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bad update for Knux --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer NOICE |
| __hiei__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:42:09 AM | message detail |
| two fei cuts in a row |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/24/2008 1:43:45 AM | message detail |
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__Smurf__ | Posted 9/24/2008 4:36:04 AM (#125) As much as Mario tanking would be awesome, people said this back in 2003. And Zelda isn't Magus, I highly doubt she's going to collapse post-Brawl on a school day. --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Final Fantasy 4 DS, Spore ~*ST*~ |
| Lopen | Posted 9/24/2008 1:44:32 AM | message detail |
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Fei is outdoing KOS-MOS while Knux is
looking to end around where he did in the Mega Man match, maybe
slightly higher. Fei = KOS-MOS is not a stretch at all right now. And honestly... yeah, Mario should be stronger than Mega Man, but in all likelyhood he's going to end about 3-5% higher than he is now. If he ended at this percentage I'd be with you in doubting him but not right now. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/24/2008 1:47:43 AM | message detail |
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And now for something different. I know Cloud is expected to have the biggest blow out, but look at Sephy's first match, Ratchet Nana Sephiroth Tifa The only character here who has a chance to get above 20% besides Seph is Tifa, and she could be SFF'D to hell and back, Three Fei cuts in a row, Knuckles and Zelda are so dead. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. The 2008 Guru contest winner > Me |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/24/2008 1:48:17 AM | message detail |
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Eh, to me LFF is basically just fluff stats jargon. Saves you about
three or four words. SFF takes about a paragraph to explain
sufficiently, whereas LFF is, in its most verbose terms: "Multiple
characters in a SFF situation being mutually weakened in a multi-way
poll." Well that's to be expected - it's essentially an SFF offshoot, a mutation derived from the 4way format. Plus "Leech Fanbase Factor" sounds cool. --- How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? "You're...the ****!" - Otacon to Snake, MGS4 |
| __Smurf__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:49:30 AM | message detail |
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Mario has vastly different voting patterns from Mega Man and he's
dealing with two day vote beasts in Zelda and Knux. Fei is going to
drop like a stone later, that's a given but with the other two sharing
in ravaging his carcass I doubt Mario will even hit 40%. --- Smurf. The cream of Sonic Fanboyism you're like some devious internet fiend- Majin |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/24/2008 1:49:55 AM | message detail |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Ratchet failed to break 10% in that match. --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer NOICE |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/24/2008 1:49:55 AM | message detail |
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Why are people treating Fei like he is uber-fodder? While Xenogears is
no FF or Chrono Trigger, it was decently popular back in the day and is
way ahead of the likes of Tales of the Abyss and Disgaea. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| __hiei__ | Posted 9/24/2008 1:52:37 AM | message detail |
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well Crono is probably in the running for biggest blowout the favorite for second place in his match is Amaterasu >_> |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/24/2008 1:52:42 AM | message detail |
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I had no idea who the hell he was frankly --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer NOICE |
| Lopen | Posted 9/24/2008 1:52:49 AM | message detail |
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Mario has vastly different voting patterns from Mega Man and he's dealing with two day vote beasts in Zelda and Knux Yeah, Mega Man is more frontloaded and has a stronger first night vote, and a weaker day vote. Meanwhile it's Zelda and Knux vs Yoshi and Knux for the day opponents. Mario should gain more (Mega Man actually lost the day vote in that match, for the record) than he did pretty easily. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/24/2008 1:55:48 AM | message detail |
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so tomorrow's gonna be boring as hell. --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/6393621.jpg Mer |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/24/2008 2:09:06 AM | message detail |
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Speaking of Amaterasu, remember when people thought freaking Matt the Mii was going to win a match? That was great. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| satai_delenn | Posted 9/24/2008 3:04:13 AM | message detail |
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Just checked out the poll for the first time since picking up the PSP hours ago. Hell yeah, Fei. --- Attention, all yoctograms! (It's x2) DIE! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/24/2008 3:20:46 AM | message detail |
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Ouch, Mario. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| linkhatesganon | Posted 9/24/2008 3:50:46 AM | message detail |
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Lol, night usually has such a weird trends --- The Roman Empire called. They want all their words back. - Turn SSBB FC code - 3007-9626-4713 |
| Xcarvenger | Posted 9/24/2008 4:14:39 AM | message detail |
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damn those non-american! --- Xcarvenger: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9123/chocobo34kg4.jpg For all your board 8 needs: www.board8.wikia.com |
| __Smurf__ | Posted 9/24/2008 4:37:05 AM | message detail |
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Fei is collapsing rapidly and things are starting to look more sane now. Knux and Zelda going 50/50 for the last 4 updates. --- Smurf. The cream of Sonic Fanboyism you're like some devious internet fiend- Majin |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/24/2008 4:40:14 AM | message detail |
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It'd be beautiful to see Knuckles come back, but...yikes. Might get ugly! --- NRT winners: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 Remember these games! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/24/2008 4:42:21 AM | message detail |
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For instance, Cloud can't SFF Sephiroth too much one-one-one, but in
a 4-pack match he can LFF him to death - and yet still be hurt himself.
So while the semantics for SFF and LFF are the same, the voting
*mechanics* are very different. No, not at all. Something we noticed in SFF situations long before 4-way polls was how SFF matches typically have lower votals. What happens when you add independent characters to that situation? They look stronger than usual. This has nothing to do with "leeching" since the SFF could be an even split between identical characters, and that's why I feel the whole LFF terms is redundant and stupid. Take Fei here for example, he would not be at 15% against these guys if they weren't hurting eachother so badly. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/24/2008 4:46:35 AM | message detail |
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man i cant believe turtle uses 1 on 1 stats to argue 4way matches. --- *is Dranze* Bowser/Cain/Geno/Phoenix - Bracket: Bowser > Phoenix - Vote: Geno (12/20) |
