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smitelf | Posted 9/23/2008 8:01:36 PM | message detail
That's too true. I try to use colors that are similar to what they're wearing and/or what color they actually are.

*headdesk*
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/23/2008 8:02:41 PM | message detail
I'm not disagreeing that using the same color is a bad idea, but it's better that some of the gradients I was seeing in KP's picture topic.
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Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 8:03:05 PM | message detail
see, I had to take this technical design class last semester to graduate... and I thought "hey this stuff is obvious what a worthless class"

apparently that's not the case.
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Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 8:05:06 PM | message detail
The only thing worse than same color is some overly saturated shade of yellow or pink that distracts from the picture, I'd say. Not to say that I haven't seen some such gradients.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/23/2008 8:05:50 PM | message detail
you can tell it's a boring match when:
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smitelf | Posted 9/23/2008 8:06:31 PM | message detail
You don't even need any fancy-schmancy gradients. Just look at a color wheel. Use something NOT near the character's own color.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/23/2008 8:09:33 PM | message detail
smitelf, I mean it like this:

If you put ZSS on a background, Yellow and Orange would work well since she's blonde/yellow haired.

As in, not the same color as the majority of them, but a part of them.
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smitelf | Posted 9/23/2008 8:19:47 PM | message detail
ZSS is entirely bright blue with bright yellow hair. The two colors I would never use as a background in that situation are blue and yellow.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/23/2008 8:21:05 PM | message detail

smitelf (#259)
ZSS is entirely bright blue with bright yellow hair. The two colors I would never use as a background in that situation are blue and yellow.


Her hair isn't the main focus though. It's her electric blue suit.

So, if you have an orange and yellow background, then it contrasts the blue great (Because orange is the aesthetic opposite of blue) and you get a color than can allow the viewers to relate to ZSS
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smitelf | Posted 9/23/2008 8:24:46 PM | message detail
Her hair isn't the main focus though. It's her electric blue suit.

So, if you have an orange and yellow background, then it contrasts the blue great (Because orange is the aesthetic opposite of blue) and you get a color than can allow the viewers to relate to ZSS


I'm on board with the orange, but no one needs a background color to relate to a character. The character's image relates to the character. The background's only job is to show off that image to the best possible advantage, i.e. use contrast instead of letting the character blend into the background.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/23/2008 8:27:44 PM | message detail
I don't buy Mario SFFing Zelda badly enough for her to lose to Knuckles. I can't see Link SFFing Bowser or Luigi or Yoshi nearly as much as the Dorf and Zelda, so I don't see how Mario would do the same for Zelda. Hell, back in 2004 Mario only got 70% on Bowser.

I expect Zelda to impress.
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Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 8:28:20 PM | message detail
Yellow could work for part of a ZSS background, just as long as you fade it into another color before you get significantly into her hair. In fact, yellow top blue bottom could work. Though orange is just the better idea.

Wait why are we making ZSS pics might as well blend her into the background so people think she's garden variety Samus
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swirIdude | Posted 9/23/2008 8:34:36 PM | message detail
I think Bowser makes up for any weakness there. he's quite a bit stronger than Magus.

This still makes me laugh. Hooray 2003 stats!
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/23/2008 8:37:33 PM | message detail
Come on, Knuckles...for my fave.

Come on Zelda...for my bracket.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:38:38 PM | message detail
Division 2: Round 1 - Match 7 – Fei Fong Wong vs. Knuckles the Echinda vs. Mario vs. Zelda

Moltar’s Analysis

Fei
Game/Series Known From: Xenogears
2007 Results: N/A

i can’t make this stuff up

Knuckles
Game/Series Known From: Sonic
2007 Results: 2nd Place in Round 1 vs. Yoshi, Rikku and Vaan
3rd Place in Round 2 vs. Mega Man, Yoshi and KOS-MOS

Knock, knock, it's Knuckles, the blow-thrower ; Independent flow-er, magical Emerald holder; Give you the coldest shoulder, my spike goes through boulders; That's why I stay a loner

Mario
Game/Series Known From: Super Mario
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1 vs. Big Boss, Pac-Man and Wander
1st Place in Round 2 vs. Big Boss, Magus and Phoenix
2nd Place in Round 3 vs. Sephiroth, Big Boss and Fox
3rd Place in Round 4 vs. Link, Sephiroth and Vincent

Brawl Character #7, and one of the strongest to boot!

Zelda
Game/Series Known From: Legend of Zelda
2007 Results: 2nd Place in Round 1 vs. Vincent, The Boss and Tails
4th Place in Round 2 vs. Link, Vincent and Bidoof

Brawl Character #8, that’s 8 in 7 matches!

Sadly, this is as good as it gets in Division 2 this round. First thing is big LOL at Fei Fong Wong (honestly wtf xenogears). Not only would he have been crushed in just about any other fourpack here, but he got stuck in one of the strongest Round 1 groups we’ve ever seen, with representatives from Mario, Zelda and Sonic. Talk about unlucky.

Since he’s a non-factor here, time to get to the real meat of this match. Zelda vs. Knuckles. Mario takes first without a problem, but we have two upper-midcarders fighting it out for second. Man, it feels good to write about characters worth caring about.

Zelda looked awful last year, but that’s mostly because she had an impossible path for her to conquer. Vincent in Round 1, and then Link joins her in Round 2. She ended up getting beat so bad, she looked worse than the Doof. Knuckles didn’t have the best of luck either, winning in a close match in Round 1 against Rikku and then bowing out in Round 2 thanks to Mega Man and Yoshi.

I have Knuckles getting second here. Yes, I think Zelda is stronger in a 1 on 1 match, but this is different. As we’ve seen time and time again, you’re going to need a more dedicated fanbase to succeed here. Zelda pretty much just leeches off the Legend of Zelda strength, which is why she usually looks great. Knuckles is actually a fan-favorite in the Sonic series. Mario will be putting the hurt on both characters badly, but Knuckles just has a more dedicated group of fans, so I see him getting the victory.

Shadow’s performance really worries me though. He did even worse than I thought with Link in the poll, and now Knux has Mario with him. Yeah, Sonic sucks in this format and Zelda may not look as bad as she did last year, but still, it’s Zelda. No one actually likes Zelda (unless you play her in smash like some people typing this analysis), and I just think she’s going to collapse here with Mario, a very strong Nintendo character, and Knux, a character with a tight fanbase.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Mario > Knuckles

Moltar’s Prediction is: Mario: 47% - Knuckles: 22% - Zelda: 21% - Fei: 10%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Here's a pretty tough match. This all depends on the severity of SFF. It's all about whether or not Zelda can hold up in the same poll as Mr. Nintendo. After Zelda got trashed hard against Link last year -- enough to lose to The Doof -- I'm pretty skeptical of how she's going to hold up against Nintendo's number two. I'm sure there will be some polls used showing how she held up against Mega Man or put 45% on Samus, but those are different times and different characters. Hard for me to give Mega Man or Samus the SFF credit that you have to give Mario.
Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 8:38:39 PM | message detail
Come on Fei, to promote physical fitness on GameFAQs!
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:38:54 PM | message detail
But Knuckles didn't exactly light anything on fire last year. He barely managed to get by Rikku with Vaan in the poll. That's not necessarily damning, because Rikku isn't weak or anything, but it shows that he's not nearly as strong as he looked to be a few years ago. Worse for him Sonic characters look pretty pitiful in this format. Shadow gettin' beat by Zidane doesn't instill any confidence in Knuckles here, because if you argue that Link SFF'd Shadow then there's reason to believe Mario could do a little damage to Knuckles, too.

This match comes down to who can suck less against SFF. It's hard for me to get over the fact that Zelda got mauled by Link enough to lose to Bidoof. You can say it's Link and look at what he did to Ganondorf, but the point still stands for me. It's Mario -- how many people are going to call Zelda their favorite character in this poll with him hanging around? With Knuckles you can at least be assured that there's gonna be a baes, however, small that will consider him over everyone here. Hard for me to believe Zelda can get that same support.

I'm expecting Zelda to get rocked pretty hard here by Mario. Knuckles probably gets hurt a little, too, but not quite enough to lose this match.

Prediction: Mario - 56% ; Knuckles - 19% ; Zelda - 16% ; Fei - 9%
Bracket: Mario > Knuckles
Vote: Fei



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Wow, two perfect matches in a row! I'd almost forgotten what calling these things correctly felt like! Unfortunately, there's a good chance that my high spirits will come crashing down very soon, as today's match is, once again, up in the air. We've seen this scenario a few times over the past year: first and last place are very much certain, but the middle two entrants will do the death tango to see who moves on and who moves home.

Mario is the poll's anchor, and he's obviously our winner tonight. The battle tested veteran has been in more of these matches than he'd care to remember, and he'll be looking to open up yet another contest in impressive fashion and give us the impression that he can go far despite the looming match-up(s) against Link. While Mario's victory is not in doubt, the role that his SFF will play on the rest of the competitors is (more on that later). Similarly, we all know where today's fourth entrant, Fei Fong Wong from Xenogears, will end up. Last place. Congratulations, Fei, you got two sentences. Actually, I think Fei might perform surprisingly well, as his name and art style stick out like anchovies on a pizza, and he's the only true non-Nintendo option we got (take a hike, Knuckles). Three sentences!

The true conflict in this match is between the two midcarders, Knuckles from the Sonic series and Zelda, the titular character of the Legend of Zelda series. Now, while we can easily hype the hell out of this, after what these two gave us last year and in the presence of Mario, this may turn into an epic battle of who sucks less. Both these two were very, very disappointing in this format last year, so they're both out for some redemption, oh yeah.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:40:02 PM | message detail
At first glance, it would seem that the inherent Nintendo SFF between Mario and Zelda would grant Knuckles the slight crack he needs to advance, but stopping there would be foolish! Yes, for we must also analyze Knuckles, himself (!!!)! Knuckles, like all the Sonic series characters, struggled fruitlessly last year, lending evidence to murmurs that this format may not be for them. In fact, it was this same "SFF split" theory in which Knuckles's supporters were banking on that proved to be his undoing. In a match against Mega Man and Yoshi (a match many expected Knuckles to win due to a perceived significant SFF relationship between Mega and tha Yosh), the echidna tanked hard, finishing 8% behind Yoshi. He finished with 20%, and I actually expect a very similar performance this time around. Yes, Yoshi may be better
suited for this format than Zelda, but Mario is a stronger adversary than Mega Man.

Based on her performances last year, it's pretty clear that Zelda is more at home in a traditional 1v1 environment. However, I still believe she can pull this one out. We've never seen her challenge Mario (or any Mario character, for that matter) before, so we're not exactly sure how she'll hold up. She'll get a beating, surely, but so will Knuckles, and that's the key. In the end, I think Zelda will use her superior intrinsic strength and alpha-Nintendo-series backing to punch her way through, securing a less crappy result than Knuckles. Retire the Sonic characters from this format, I say!

Fei Fong Wong - 12%
Knuckles the Echidna - 20%
Mario - 45%
Zelda - 23%



Lopen’s Analysis

Oh, Knuckles... how sad to see your traditions die. Three years ago, the bracket went on its way without any round 2 echidna burgers for Snake in sight. (Squall I'm sure had no problem eating Snake's share, but whatever) Now this year, the second tradition dies... Knuckles goes out in round 1.

The harbringer of this traditional destruction will not be Fei "starting a Chinese restaurant with the same name" Fong Wong, but we all know that. I think Fei might surprise... Xenogears did beat "teh Pokemanz" a few years ago in the game contest. He's also got the Wii Fit vote, sporting the superior fitness out of this group. Homeboy probably won't be a total pushover, shame he got wasted in this match. Heck, there's a very small chance that he's stronger than KOS-MOS... but unfortunately even she would lose soundly here... unless you think Mario SFFs Knux and Zelda a ridiculous amount, or that Sonic team and Zelda are very weak in the format, or.... anyway.

So what, you're saying "if not Fei, who... Zelda? The one who is going to get SFFed by Mario?" Yeah, that's what I'm saying... except... I'm not saying that, because Zelda should get out mostly unscathed SFFwise. I mean, she held up against Mega Man like a champ a few years ago. Meanwhile, Yoshi, who didn't hold up so well against Mega Man a few years ago, beat the crap out of Knux last year while being "held back" by a Mega Man who should've SFFed him from what 1v1 results tell ya.

Point is, Mario, despite being the King of SFF, will not hurt Zelda enough for Knux to pass. Look for Knuckles to disappoint just like Shadow did earlier in the contest. Heck, Mario will probably hurt Knux more here. Now there's always a chance Zelda just doesn't do well in this format, she didn't exactly look good last year... but... neither did Knuckles. If Zelda flops, expect Fei to advance, not Knux... you heard it here first!

Lopen's Prediction:
Mario – 42.12%
Zelda – 23.88%
Fei "Fitness Guru" Fong Wong – 17.18%
Knuckles – 16.82%
Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:40:23 PM | message detail
Transience’s Analysis

this match is awessome from a stat perspective. here we've got three guys with loads of data, and a newcomer that I nominated for five years in a row only to make it the one year I didn't nom him. Fei is about five years past being able to do anything in these contests, but it's cool to finally see him make it.

the real match today is Zelda vs. Knuckles. Knuckles is the Guru fave, and you can see why - it's Zelda and Mario. seriously, who votes for Zelda over an icon like Mario? Zelda is such a leech, she lost to Bidoof when paired with Link. (Heroic Mario probably mentions this three times in his writeup) who the hell votes for Zelda?

and the answer is... a lot of people. Zelda's had two matches with well-known Nintendo icons -- well, Mega Man is like Nintendo-lite, but we've seen him overlap before:

Samus Aran 55.27% 72890
Zelda 44.73% 58985
TOTAL VOTES 131875

Zelda 39.25% 42329
Mega Man 60.75% 65528
TOTAL VOTES 107857

compare Zelda's performance with another Nintendo guy, Yoshi:

Mega Man 68.08% 63395
Yoshi 31.92% 29719
TOTAL VOTES 93114

and let's not forget what Yoshi did to Knuckles despite Mega Man being in the same poll:

Yoshi 28.24% 35438
Knuckles the Echidna 20.27% 25442
Mega Man 37.73% 47353
KOS-MOS 13.75% 17261
TOTAL VOTES 125494

add in that Shadow lost to friggin' Zidane last week and there's no real reason to back Knuckles here. the only way to support that upset is if you think Link significantly hurt him.. but then there's Mario in this poll who will do the same thing. I expect Mario to really clean up this poll. Shadow put up 45% on Mario, but that was five years ago. I'm going to assume that was a complete fluke that probably won't happen again. Zelda's going to need to get SFF'd much worse than she ever has to drop this match. possible, but unlikely.

Sonic Team's bombing
Nintendrones will vote Zelda
Mario cleans up

transience's prediction: Mario with 52.12%, Zelda with 20.78%, Knuckles with 17.21%, Fei with 9.89%



Ngamer’s Analysis

After two fairly standard results in a row, you just know that the bracket must have another surprise in store soon. Today should be a great opportunity to see just that- from the moment the bracket was released this was one of the polls that drew the most attention, and even weeks later we've yet to draw any true consensus. 111 Gurus picked Knuckles, but on the other hand a full 100 went with Zelda... a ton of brackets will be taking a hit here, but which ones? WHICH?

Maybe the numbers can help us decide!


Last Known Values
Mario - 42.07% (2007)
Zelda - 30.74% (2007)
Knuckles - 27.41% (2007)
Fei Fong Wong - new

First off, let's assign Fei a 15ish or something so we can forget he exists. The guy's far from the worst character to have made the bracket, but the rest of this poll is just too interesting to dwell on his presence. Mario really impressed me last season- he held up much better than expected against Link, and even managed to look fairly decent against Sephiroth, despite Fox being there to hold him back by over 5%. Obviously he won't need to show up at his full 42 pecent strength tonight to walk away with a win, but how strong he is SHOULD have a pretty big impact on the end result regardless. That's because...
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/23/2008 8:40:56 PM | message detail
all hail the fitness guru
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:41:23 PM | message detail
Zelda disappointed pretty badly in '07. She came in hot off a great showing on Samus back in 2006 and should have been performing at peak strength, what with TP recently released and Brawl hype continuing to mount. That why many people, myself included, went out on a limb and took her to upset Vincent in the first round- boy did that backfire! What she proved instead was that plenty of her support comes from her name and her Nintendo flagship affiliation, and when you give people other options they'll abondon her at a moment's notice. And then the second round proved that she gets in especially big trouble as soon as you introduce someone higher on the N totem pole into her group. Which should make the second place result in this one obvious here, right? But wait a minute!

To be frank, Knuckles didn't exactly set the world on fire last Summer either. Despite having no excuse to not perform at full strength in R1, he was never in contention against Yoshi and furthermore would almost certainly have been knocked out of the Contest by Rikku if not for Vaan holding her back. Seriously, Rikku? That's pretty embarrassing for a guy who only a couple years before had nearly gone toe to toe with Squall! Clearly Sonic Team loses a step when moving to the four way format. When you add to that how badly Link destroyed Shadow just a few days back, it seems hard to deny that Mario's going to be holding Knuckles down in this one. But will he be able to hurt Knux more than he does Zelda?

My answer there is... no, Zelda probably gets hurt a little worse. Forunately, she's also a little bit stronger naturally; I'm banking on that slight advantage being enough to see her through in what should be the closest 2/3 result of the season so far! I don't do so with a ton of confidence, but heck, this one is basically a coin flip in my eyes, and when it comes down to a coin flip you never bet on Tails. ...or Shadow. Or Knuckles.

Let's throw these all into the pot, flip in a few coins, stir well, and...

Mario - 41.66%
Zelda - 23.11%
Knuckles the Echidna - 22.32%
Fei Fong Wong - 12.91%

Looks tasty!

Ngamer Says: Mario > Zelda



Guest’s Analysis - Gaddswell

Hey, paesanos! It's The Super Mario Brothers Super Show!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkQTgjGboWQ

This time around, we got Mario Mario, the gaming legend himself, stepping up to the contest poll! Along with him we have Knuckles the Echidna of Sonic fame, Princess Zelda, the namesake of the Zelda series, and Fei Fong Wong from Xenogears.

First, let's get Mr Mario out of the way! He's taking first here and the reason for that should be obvious!
Next, let's take Fei out of the running. Xenogears simply came out too long ago for it to matter much here and he's up against 3 well known characters.

The real match is between Zelda and Knuckles for second. In a 1 vs 1 match, Zelda would be the favourite here, but Mario's around to throw a wrench in things. In these contests, Zelda's primary souce of strength happens to be the fact that her name is Zelda, which gets her votes from the Zelda fanatics. With Mario around to take the majority of the Nintendo vote, this question arises: can Zelda get a large enough chunck of the Nintendo vote to push on through? Will there be enough Zelda-dedicated fans who would vote for her over Mario, or will we see Mario suck her dry like Link did last year?
Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:41:55 PM | message detail
Knuckles too, isn't in the clear. Sonic team preforms terribly in the four way format and chances are good that we could be seeing him sucked dry by Mario too, due to the big overlap between Sega and Nintendo fans. We already saw this SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) happen earlier this year when Link brutalized Shadow into allowing Zidane through, and last year when Knuckles himself got mauled by Yoshi. For Knuckles, the question is: can he stand up better against Mario than Zelda and will the fact that he's from the Sonic franchise help him any against Mario?

For me, I'm going with Zelda here. While she didn't look great against Vincent in round 1 of last year, she still managed to blow out The Boss and Tails (another Sonic character!). Zelda has also done fine against Samus and Mega Man (another guy with big Nintendo overlap) and the two of them are noble niners (though granted, the Mega Man match was back in 2k3!)! Add to that last year, we saw Ganon (who we've seen get murdered by Link before too) hold his own against Luigi. Granted, Mario's much stronger than any of these other guys, but on this site Zelda > Mario series wise so she might not suffer too badly at all and she's held up fine against strong competition not named Link so far. As for Knuckles, simply having Yoshi in the poll almost cost him his round one match against Rikku with Vaan (a fodder level character) holding her down! Now replace Yoshi with Mario, and he's gonna suffer

even more. He's not suffer as much as the weaker Shadow did against Link, but if Yoshi was able to bring the hurt, Mario certainly will.

tl;dr: Zelda > Mario > Sonic series wise so Zelda holds up to Mario SFF better.

Gaddswell Predicts
Bracket: Mario > Zelda
Fei Fong Wong - 12.68%
Knuckles the Echidna - 19.18%
Mario - 44.83%
Zelda - 23.31%



Crew Consensus: Mario > Zelda is the majority, though Mario > Knuckles is favored by a couple members.
HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/23/2008 8:42:09 PM | message detail
Fei looks so awesome. I really hope he wins the Board vote or something.
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M80TheWolf | Posted 9/23/2008 8:42:58 PM | message detail
I'm still floored that Knux is the favorite for 2nd tomorrow. I'm pretty much in line with tranny's write up, there's no real reason to back Knux in this match. I'm not saying it can't happen, just because of their relative closeness in strength, and SFF not being something we can really predict with certainty, but every angle you look at this match from just supports Zelda advancing.

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Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 8:43:55 PM | message detail
Trust me. Fei will reverse SFF Mario through Wii fit for the victory here. Zelda ain't lookin bad either, though, that's the only thing hurting his chances.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/23/2008 8:45:03 PM | message detail
Knuckles isn't even that close to Zelda strength-wise. the only way he is is if you take that match with Squall seriously, and given what we saw last year, I see no reason to do that.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/23/2008 8:47:18 PM | message detail
Round 1

Division 2- Match 3

Fei Fong Wong


The lead character from Xenogears makes his contest debut. Will he be able to follow up on his game beating Pokemon by making some noise here? Not likely.

Knuckles

For someone that exposed the biggest fraud in contest history, Knuckles sure did tank last year. Personally, I blame Yoshi, but we'll get to that.

Mario

Mario has a whole division full of guys for him to SFF into the ground. He must be happier than a pig in mud.

Zelda

Speaking of frauds....

Analysis:

I hate this match. I really do, it is easily my least favourite round 1 matchup. It has nothing to do with the characters so much as the person advancing is basically whoever doesn't get SFF'd as much by Mario. This really is a crapshoot.

Common sense says Knuckles will easily advance here, but that doesn't take into consideration how he completely flopped last year in almost losing to Rikku in the first round. Personally, I think that was a result of Yoshi SFF, but if that's the case, then he's basically screwed here as well. Shadow's less than stellar performance against Link is yet another nail in Sonic Team's coffin.

On the other hand, Zelda held up really well in her SFF match against Samus, but that was the wonky female bracket which also gave us that Tifa/Samus debacle. Though her performance on Aeris was impressive, Aeris completely sucking last year kind of takes away from that. Not only that, but she absolutely jobbed against Vincent before getting plowed by Link. Does Mario SFF Zelda even half as good as Link?

This will be the first match where I go against my bracket. I have to give it to Zelda here. Knuckles just looked too bad last year, and Shadow completely jobbed. Not only that, but Tails should not have been going even with The Boss, so it's possible Zelda was laying some SFF there as well (also explaining why she looked so bad against Vinnie). Everything here seems to point to Zelda winning, but anything is possible.

As for Fei, all the SFF flying around here should make him look great (think Pyramid Head and Ryu last year). Some people have him failing to break 10%, but Xenogears was a pretty popular game, and I see no reason why he wouldn't be close to the much less well-recieved KOS-MOS.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Mario 45%, Zelda 21%, Knuckles 19%, Fei 15%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Mario > Knuckles
TuRtLe's Vote: Mario
hochimnih157 | Posted 9/23/2008 8:53:46 PM | message detail
Zelda has no chance. She is doomed. I'm calling it now. I am very confident you see.
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 9/23/2008 8:55:49 PM | message detail
Anyone else notice the low votals relative to previous matches this contest?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/23/2008 8:56:30 PM | message detail
Alright, after a short break, a match to get pumped about!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYNBV0HXZqw
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FFDragon | Posted 9/23/2008 8:57:05 PM | message detail
KNLITFR

I will ride this train until I see it crumble before my very eyes, just as I did with GFNW.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:00 PM | message detail
Knuckles Never something something First Round?
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Lopen | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:19 PM | message detail
Know when to get off the train, bud. Knuckles is hittin a Fei shaped roadblock...!
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cyko | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:26 PM | message detail
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:28 PM | message detail
Knuckles Never Loses In The First Round
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:33 PM | message detail
Maybe it'll live on. I sure hope so, but.....
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trannyscience | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:33 PM | message detail
FeiFAQs
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FFDragon | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:37 PM | message detail
Knux Never Loses in the First Round
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/23/2008 8:58:39 PM | message detail
knuckles never loser in the first round

i reckon

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Fei/Knuckles/Mario/Zelda - Bracket: Mario > Knuckles - Vote: Knuckles (16/24)
cyko | Posted 9/23/2008 8:59:03 PM | message detail
pah. Sonic characters practically are Nintendo characters now. Knuckles will get SFF'd by Mario as much as Zelda will be. therefore, Knuckles likely won't beat Zelda.

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FFDragon | Posted 9/23/2008 8:59:11 PM | message detail
Believe
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/23/2008 8:59:34 PM | message detail
I have Knuckles, but I wouldn't mind seeing him break a tradition that has no right to still be intact. <.<
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/23/2008 8:59:54 PM | message detail
knuckles never loser in the first round
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smitelf | Posted 9/23/2008 9:00:12 PM | message detail
Even if there was no LFF against Knuckles, I would still take Zelda here, so...
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/23/2008 9:00:19 PM | message detail
Fei Fong Wong 7.69%

1
Knuckles the Echidna 30.77%

4
Mario 38.46%

5
Zelda 23.08%

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/23/2008 9:00:22 PM | message detail
Fei Fong Wong 10.71%

3
Knuckles the Echidna 25%

7
Mario 28.57%

8
Zelda 35.71%

10
TOTAL VOTES 28

suck this, Mario
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/23/2008 9:00:22 PM | message detail
Fei Fong Wong 13.04%

3
Knuckles the Echidna 26.09%

6
Mario 34.78%

8
Zelda 26.09%

6
TOTAL VOTES 23

woo Mario
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/23/2008 9:00:25 PM | message detail
44, not bad! EVERYONE VOTE FEI!!!!
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trannyscience | Posted 9/23/2008 9:00:25 PM | message detail
FEIFAQS who wants some
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