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ZFS | Posted 9/21/2008 5:42:07 PM | message detail
are we trying to imply cloud won because of wind waker link

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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/21/2008 5:46:43 PM | message detail
>_>

Wind Waker Link shouldnt've deterred vote in the final round. You would think that by then people would actually vote on who they thought was better, not just who had a better picture.
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Justin's CB Points: 8 | Points After this Round: 12
Today: Altair > Lucario | Tomorrow: Luigi > Liquid
WishFulfillment | Posted 9/21/2008 5:48:11 PM | message detail
WW Link is just what dirty Zelda fanboys use to help them sleep at night.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2008 5:53:11 PM | message detail
Despite my total embrace of the picture factor these days, the WW pic is hard to rationalize. Yes, Cloud just edged out Link in 2k3, but Link's win in 2k4 was barely more impressive. And his pictures were as badass as Link's ever had. AND he had the TP announcement. In order for Link to have been stronger in 2k3, you'd have to say he got almost nothing from that.
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Yesmar | Posted 9/21/2008 5:56:26 PM | message detail
I've thought that it's possible that Link did suffer from the WW pic somewhat, but so many people's brackets were on the line in that match, that for once bracket voting made a difference. That might also partly explain Link's sizable win over Cloud in the Final Match last year.
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Midget_Fetish | Posted 9/21/2008 5:58:11 PM | message detail
Today makes me wonder something, are xbox action characters really strong or something? Ryu H. was on the warpath last year in the first round, and now Altair doing this(which is way more then Marcus Fenix would get, which is what I assumed Altair's ceiling would be.) makes me wonder.

do we expect Dante to get a boost this year since Devil May Cry 4 was on the 360, or was that released since last contest?
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/21/2008 5:58:55 PM | message detail

Midget_Fetish (#206)
Today makes me wonder something, are xbox action characters really strong or something? Ryu H. was on the warpath last year in the first round, and now Altair doing this(which is way more then Marcus Fenix would get, which is what I assumed Altair's ceiling would be.) makes me wonder.

do we expect Dante to get a boost this year since Devil May Cry 4 was on the 360, or was that released since last contest?


It's not that, IMO.

It's that the kiddies are letting us down.
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Justin's CB Points: 8 | Points After this Round: 12
Today: Altair > Lucario | Tomorrow: Luigi > Liquid
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:58:55 PM | message detail
Niko is a 360 action game character, damn it
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Midget_Fetish | Posted 9/21/2008 6:01:00 PM | message detail
didn't even think about that(niko being a 360 action character)

well there goes my terrible theory
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/21/2008 6:06:34 PM | message detail
I think Marcus could probably match today's performance. The mighty pirate and Isaac are not exactly pillars of strength, and that means Lucario is fodderific as well. Marcus managed about 37% against Kefka, Nook, and Zelos, and it seems likely that Kefka would beat any of the other three contenders here pretty easily (ouch for Lucario).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 6:11:14 PM | message detail
so what percentages can we expect tomorrow?
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/21/2008 6:12:20 PM | message detail
Sho should get 15% or so. Maybe. Meaning he'll probably win. Which would be so zetta awesome.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 6:12:55 PM | message detail
Sho will get like 8%... just enough to look better than a Tales of the Abyss character.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 7:56:35 PM | message detail
Division 2: Round 1 - Match 5 – Liquid Snake vs. Luigi vs. Roxas vs. Sho Minamimoto

Moltar’s Analysis

Liquid
Game/Series Known From: Metal Gear Solid
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1 vs. Alucard, Ness and Zidane
4th Place in Round 2 vs. Master Chief, Yuna and Alucard

Mr. Arm is back!

Luigi
Game/Series Known From: Super Mario
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1 vs. Mudkip, Pit and Tingle
2nd Place in Round 2 vs. Ganondorf, Mudkip and Vergil
2nd Place in Round 3 vs. Master Chief, Ganondorf and Yuna
3rd Place in Round 4 vs. Master Chief, Dante and Pikachu

Brawl Character #5, Will this be yet another great year for the man in green?

Roxas
Game/Series Known From: Kingdom Hearts
2007 Results: 3rd Place in Round 1 vs. Ryu H., Riku and Haseo

Roxas…what kind of a name is that? It’s like you rearranged some other name and got it.

Sho
Game/Series Known From: The World Ends With You
2007 Results: N/A

A non-Final Fantasy Square character? what is this I don’t even

Well, here’s an (hopefully) easy match. Luigi is a good jump above everyone else here, and his great showing last year, even in the face of SFF, gives me no reason to doubt a first place finish for him.

Liquid is the strongest candidate for second place. He’s was an odd character last year. He won his Round 1 match in a last-minute rush, and then got crushed in Round 2. Then again, he had Master Chief and Yuna to worry about, while here it’s just Roxas and Sho. Plus, Liquid has also had GotY MGS4, so a boost for him is likely.

Speaking of Roxas, he may have had a chance here if another Square character wasn’t here with him. Roxas didn’t do too badly last year, getting 17% with Riku, a more popular character in the same game as him, in the poll. We’ve seen the KH fanbase get behind Kairi of all people, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Roxas puts up a decent fight.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Luigi > Liquid

Moltar’s Prediction is: Luigi: 42% - Liquid: 26% - Roxas: 22% - Sho: 10%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Who's ready for some CREWFEAR

Well, this contest has been something. I've nailed 2/4 matches so far, almost had one, and messed up the other hard (damn you duke nukem). Division 1 is just a mess. Division 2 should be normal, but who's to say. You'd figure this match would be the first one that goes to expectations, but I have a bad feeling about Roxas here. Liquid should take this for the simple fact that it's a Metal Gear kinda year, what with MGS4. But you never know -- and I have a feeling the Crew is going unanimously in Liquid's favor this has worked for me before don't let me down now

Roxas isn't as big a stretch here as it might seem, though. Last year he got 17% with Riku hanging around. If nothing else that speaks to the fact that Roxas has a sizable amount of the KH fanbase supporting him, even against the more popular characters in the series. If you take Riku out of the poll, Roxas would probably have benefited tremendously. More than likely it's still not enough to beat Hayabusa, but he'd get surprisingly close, I think. The question is whether or not Hayabusa or Liquid is stronger. That's a tough one.

But Liquid's got MGS4 in his favor this year. It's probably one of the few games in recent memory to have lived up to its crazy hype (9.5 user rating with something 3,000 voters). Despite how questionable the "Brawl boost" may be this year, MGS4 should be big for the Metal Gear guys. There's an argument to be had that Liquid is there only in name, but you'd expect all Metal Gear characters to benefit across the board just from increased awareness.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 7:56:52 PM | message detail
But if MGS4 doesn't help Liquid things could get rough. He does have the fact that he looked decent last year in round 1 (though a terrible showing in round 2 doesn't inspire confidence) and with Sho in the poll, Roxas could be hurt a bit, maybe not a lot but a few points could hurt Roxas' chances at an upset (Haseo LFF last year who wants some of this). I can't shake the feeling that Roxas is going to impress here. It might be because of how the past few days have gone mixed with CREWFEAR (what an awesome term). Who knows.

Either way, this'll be good to watch to see how Liquid performs. If he does well, it should say good things about the other Metal Gear guys; if he doesn't do so well, it's probably a good bet that not everything MGS-related will boost. I'm figurin' it'll be the former here, though. It's probably a bad idea to take Roxas here but oh well at least I win something right (here comes Liquid over Luigi to screw with everything) !
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Prediction: Luigi - 39% ; Roxas - 26% ; Liquid - 25% ; Sho - 10%
Bracket: Luigi > Liquid
Vote: Liquid Snake



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Four matches, four upsets. As this hurricane of a bracket tosses our boat around with no sign of ease or compassion, we may as well stop fighting and let it direct us to whichever little island it chooses. Hey, even Gilligan wound up with Ginger and Mary Ann, so maybe good things are in store yet! Regardless, and as big a joke as this sounds after the past four days, I'm feeling pretty good about this one! Promise! Time to finally get four points, baby!

Today's friendly tussle is between superior bro Luigi, inferior bro Liquid, make-believe-kinda-in-a-weird-way-bro Roxas, and Sho Minamimoto-bro. Unpredictability be damned, everyone knows Luigi will run away with this. Yes, the "poll's only Nintendo option" has already flatlined twice, but Luigi is different. Apart from Link, the Mean Green Machine is the most successful, battle-tested entrant we've seen yet. After laying eggs against Squall and Yoshi years ago, Luigi has been on an absolute tear, overperforming and pulling surprise wins on a regular basis. His trio of opponents are nothing compared to the quality of guys he's bested over the years, so he'll make easy work of them.

Where Luigi represents one extreme, Sho Minamimoto represents another. Once again, randomness and surprise can take a damned hike, because Sho will be pulling the ass end of this poll. He is this quartet's Jade, Luke, and Guybrush. Sho's debut handheld game, The World Ends with You, may have secured him a niche fanbase, but it simply isn't significant enough to contend with these three heavier hitters.

Now, the main event - the MEAT, if ya will. The battle for second between Liquid Snake and Roxas was always somewhat debated, and while Liquid had maintained his status as the clear favorite, the last four days of wackiness have cast a new shadow of doubt on this match. Will Liquid finally pull through and give us that first predictable result, or will Roxas send yet another swift kick to our collective junk? My money's on Liquid (which of course means he will fail us hahaha).

I'll be the first to admit that Roxas showed signs of life in his 2007 debut; the way he didn't fold in the face of Riku's SFF was pretty impressive. However, he is still largely untested and still a veritable unknown. Liquid Snake, while often producing contest results as erratic as his personality, has demonstrated that he has a devoted core fanbase. This was especially clear in his Round 1 match last year, when his most hardcore fans rallied him to an unforgettable, last second win over very respectable competition in Alucard. Roxas simply can't compete with that, but maybe he can compete with the Liquid that bombed in the very next match.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 7:57:40 PM | message detail
I think this result may largely depend on which Liquid Snake decides to actually show up, but I'm hopeful we'll get the real deal. He stands out as the only mature option among a trio of goofballs, he'll have a possible Metal Gear Solid 4 boost on his side (which will be interesting to watch, as he's the first MGS character we'll see perform this year), and he may benefit from a possible, albeit very tiny, fanbase split between Roxas and Sho. Kingdom Hearts may indeed make things close, but when the result is uncertain, Metal Gear Solid is always a wise bet.

Liquid Snake - 28%
Luigi - 38%
Roxas - 24%
Sho Minamimoto - 10%



Lopen’s Analysis

Ha ha ha... hey, what a division 1, eh? Well, if you've followed my illustrious career I make a living off of falling behind in points early. That abomination of a division just made it a hell of a lot easier.

Hmmm, alright, let's try to start that comeback here... what have we for this match? My sources tell me that Sho is likely to get the geometry vote... that's right, right? Now, I don't think that he'll be terribly weak... TWEWY reminds me of Tales of Symphonia (no I've not played the game, just the fanbase) somehow, so I think its characters will fall around there. But uh... yeah... the geometry vote is his only chance. However, if we're taking sines or cosines of angles with respect to Sho, that makes Luigi the opposite character, Roxas the adjacent, and Liquid!! that rebellious hypotenuse. Now, I've always found the hypotenuse to be the most badass triangle edge component... I think most math people will agree. So yeah, Sho's getting geoSFFed by Liquid!! game over.

... what? Well, looking at the history Luigi is way above Liquid!!, geometry vote or not. So it becomes Liquid!! vs Roxas for second place. Looking at what a crutch Roxas was to Riku last year it should be pretty clear that Roxas isn't a total pushover here. I ain't takin him, but, you could... maybe. But I mean, thinking about it... Roxas, no matter how rough and tough you think the kid is, probably is not stronger than pre KH2 Riku, logically, from a 0 stats perspective. Liquid!! would probably beat pre KH2 Riku, ergo you can feel pretty safe about this one. Plus Mr. SOHCAHTOA certainly can't help his chances. And finally, MGS4 should give Liquid !! a decent little boost

Lopen's prediction:
Luigi – 33.33%
Liquid !! - 28.24%
Roxas – 21.24%
Sho Minaminimoto (I typed this from memory let's see how close I got) – 17.19%



Transience’s Analysis

finally, a chance to exhale. division 1 was a pathetic landfill of fodder parity, where the good characters were only marginally better than the bad ones. and with that came unpredictability. division 2 looks to be a lot more stable, and we're going to have a few days here to relax. sometimes an expected match can be fun because you have solid expectations and can really track how good the performances are based on that.

well, I hope so anyway. on the top, you've got Luigi, a character who improves each year and has gone from being the ultimate average entrant to a really solid high-tier midcarder. Luigi's head and shoulders above the rest of this group and should take first easily. at the bottom, you have board 8 fave Sho Misomethingorotheroto. he'll get last.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 7:58:09 PM | message detail
in the middle, you've got Liquid Snake and Roxas. Liquid Snake is pretty obviously stronger than Roxas - you could argue Liquid Snake being at Riku's level thanks to MGS4 and Riku beat Roxas down pretty good. not many good brackets are going to pick Roxas. there's something about him that unnerves me, though -- namely, his picture. if Zack is a Black Cloud, Roxas is a Blonde Sora. I know it shouldn't scare me, but it always makes me pause whenever I see a match picture with Roxas in it. that said, Liquid really shouldn't have any problem dispatching this dude, and Solid Snake did have that one epic beatdown of Sora in 2005, picture or not. this seems like the ultimate 40/30/20/10 match, the most predictable and least exciting kind.

one last note -- if there's anything that overlaps with The World Ends With You, it's Kingdom Hearts. both games reek of Tetsuya Nomura character designs. both games are huge in those creepy deviantart circles. fans of TWEWY tend to like KH. I expect Sho to drag Roxas down a bit here, making his slim chances even worse.

Roxas, Sora clone
BROTHER, THEY'RE COPYING US!
who votes Roxas, geeze


transience's prediction: Luigi with 41.45%, Liquid Snake with 28.32%, Roxas with 21.87%, Sho with 8.36%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Well now, that was just an old-fashioned kick in the face. The Zack win I could see, Zidane was weird but I could at least blame Link, Duke was crazy but I guess you should never trust Kefka. But Lucario, being this weak, after everything we saw from Mewtwo and Pikachu and even Bidoof for crap's sake? I'm still reeling.

Anyways, time for us to finally call one match right! I'm sounding like a broken record I realize, but I REALLY think we should be able to nail this one.

Let's look closer...


Last Known Values
Luigi - 29.78% (2007)
Liquid Snake - 21.08% (2007)
Roxas - 17.10% (2007)
Sho - new

After a good showing in '06, Luigi once against looked like a stud last year. He advanced ahead of Ganon (pig pic or no) and would have had a great shot at downing Dante if not for Pikachu messing things up. He's got a strong picture here, no Nintendo characters to hold him back, and has no excuse to not perform around that same 30 value. L. Snake on the other hand is something of a wildcard... if he acts like his R1 Alcuard-beating self he'll have no problem advancing, but why did he collapse so badly in his second showing? You've got to think he'll be looking more like the former than the latter though, what with MGS4 having been so well-recieved on the site.

Roxas is something of an unknown as well... Riku had a nice showing as soon as KH LFF was taken out of the picture, and of course Sora held up well against Squall, so I'd imagine that 17 is something of an underestimation. But then there's a THIRD wildcard thrown into the mix as well, in the form of Sho. Considering TWEWY was developed by the same team responsible for Kingdom Hearts, and with the characters having similar anime designs, you'd have to image there's a healthy bit of fanbase overlap here. I'd expect Sho to look pretty bad as a result, so we'll probably have to wait until Neku's match to see if TWEWY is worth anything in these Contests.

In summary, Roxas is probably a pretty good match for Lake, but between MGS4 and Rox getting held back a little by Sho, he should still be able to get by without too much drama. But heck, I've said this before! Throwing those numbers into the pot with a little bit of mix 'n matching gives us...

Luigi - 39.75%
Liquid Snake - 26.58%
Roxas - 21.67%
Sho Minamimoto - 11.99%

Liquid seems a touch low... but with the way things have been going, Roxas is going to take him down outright, so what the hey!

Ngamer Says: Luigi > Liquid Snake
Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 7:58:47 PM | message detail
Guest’s Analysis - Leonhart

Liquid Snake

Fresh off of MGS4 (sort of…), Liquid Snake returns! This time, he doesn’t have a complicated matchup to start things off. This one is pretty clear cut…on the surface anyway. Luigi is out of his league, so first place isn’t a realistic expectation, even after Metal Gear Solid 4. I’m not certain that it will do much for him, boost-wise, since he is literally in the game in name only. He might get a general Metal Gear boost, but nothing major. He is rightfully the favorite for second place, but Liquid has folded in big matches in the past, particularly against Square characters, like Yuna last year. What will he do this time?

Luigi

Luigi is out to improve on his most successful contest to date. Each contest for him seems to get better than the one before, though he will have a hard time doing better than he did last year. However, as far as this match is concerned, the green plumber shouldn’t have any problem doing well in this match. He’s a step above everyone else in this fourpack, and so I look for him to impress in this one.

Roxas

And now, introducing our third clone (of sorts) in this match, Roxas! Seriously, that’s an odd coincidence, don’t you think? Anyway, Roxas got a tough draw last year being stuck in the same fourpack with Riku, basically giving him no chance of advancing. He handled the LFF fairly well and didn’t get destroyed, which is a plus. This year, Roxas will have very little (if nothing) holding him back from performing up to his full potential. Most people have him pegged at third place, but I think he’s got a great shot at Liquid Snake. Remember, the MGS villain isn’t much more than a low midcarder, and we don’t really know where Roxas stands due to last year. I think he’s stronger than Axel (who went even with Frog, who went even with Liquid at one point), so I don’t think the strength disparity should be much different. We’ll see though.

Sho Minamimoto

These lame hectopascals are out of their vector here! Minamimoto will add them to the pile! CRUNCH! These other three guys are so zetta slow! Pi-Face will achieve perfection here by erasing these zetta garbage competitors!

Sho Overcoming Hectopascals
Can’t Actually Happen
Two Others Advance

Liquid Snake – 27.33%
Luigi – 39.44%
Roxas – 23.91%
Sho Minamimoto – 3.14159%

(Real prediction: 9.32%)



Crew Consensus: Well, everyone here has Luigi > Liquid except for...HM...wait HM has a Metal Gear character losing? Look what you've done to us, Crewfear!
Tohoya | Posted 9/21/2008 8:06:44 PM | message detail
TWEWY vs. ToTA who ya got?
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:13:20 PM | message detail
TWEWY in a landslide. It's a Square RPG for the DS vs. a Tales game that no one bought
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:14:10 PM | message detail
Match V: Liquid Snake vs. Luigi vs. Roxas vs. Sho Minamimoto

Information

Name: Liquid Snake
Game/Series From: Metal Gear series
2007 Results: 1st in round 1, 4th in round 2

Winning the closest match in contest history and losing to that same character by a good chunk the next round shows how random these four way matches can be and sometimes it can come down to who else is your opponent and who shows up to vote. Since the previous year Metal Gear Solid 4 has been released. It’s really hard to explain Liquid’s position in the game without spoiling it, but he more or less exists and it will be interesting to see how well he performs.

Name: Luigi
Game/Series From: Mario series
2007 Results: 1st in round 1, 2nd in round 2, 2nd in round 3, 3rd in round 4

Luigi was able to take advantage of Ganondorf’s picture which featured Ganon instead to sneak past him, but he was later screwed by Pikachu who stopped him from having any chance with Dante and outliving his brother. Luigi is stuck within a division that includes two more members of the Mario series including the red man himself.

Name: Roxas
Game/Series From: Kingdom Hearts series
2007 Results: 3rd in round 1

Roxas was given the worst position in the bracket with the exception of facing Sora himself. While he caused Riku to lose to Hayabusa in the first round he did perform decently and this time he has nothing holding him back, will he be able to take the upset?

Name: Sho Minamimoto
Game/Series From: The World Ends with You
2007 Results: Did not enter

Never played this game, though from what I’ve heard from my friends it’s pretty good. I think Sho is the villain in the game. Anyways this game seems to be cultish in my opinion so while multiple characters from did enter the contest I don’t think this will translate into any strength.

Analysis:

We are finally out of the division of death and into hopefully a more bracket friendly division. Of course there is always the chance for an upset in this match even if most of the brackets are supporting only one outcome.

Sho is coming in last; I have no faith in him having any strength. He won’t be Tales of the Abyss weak, but he won’t be doing anything in this match besides swallowing his share of 10 or so percent of the pie.

Luigi should have no problem here. His performance last year was probably one of the best Luigi has ever had. Sure he needed Ganondorf to pull one of his worst pictures to give him the win, but in round 2 he was able to approach Ganondorf by 3%. Luigi is leap and bounds above his competition and even with MGS4 Liquid would need an insane boost.

With MGS4 Liquid has become the overwhelming favourite at coming in second. In round 1 Liquid was about equal to Alucard though in the next round he decides to bomb. Maybe Master Chief took away his casual support or maybe there’s no answer and this was just a once in a lifetime type of thing. This match may shed some light into this though I’m expecting Liquid to gain some kind of a boost from MGS4. Even though it was sold on the PS3 it was its most hype game of the year for the system.
charmander6000 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:14:24 PM | message detail
Personally I think Roxas has been given the shaft. While he failed to do anything in his match was able to hold pretty well against Riku. Looking at their match Roxas was expected to get just below 40% against Riku and I find it hard to believe that Liquid would reach that last year. I don’t believe that Riku SFF Roxas, but rather LFF which was obvious since Hayabusa was able to win against the both combined than through random changes lost to Riku next round. I think the main reason why Roxas hasn’t been given the chance here was because of MGS4.

If I knew that Liquid was such the overwhelming favourite in this match I may have gone with Roxas. Metal Gear Solid 4 was huge though Liquid is not exactly a pillar of strength himself. We may be looking at our 5th upset or the very least a match which causes people to talk.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Luigi > Liquid Snake

charmander6000’s Prediction: Luigi – 39.52%, Liquid Snake – 26.36%, Roxas – 24.38%, Sho – 9.74%

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Character Battle 2008: Points 6/12 Today's Match: Lucario > Altair
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 8:25:35 PM | message detail
i think if anyone expects Roxas to get under 20% is underestimating him. i personally expect mid-twenties at worst.
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:27:15 PM | message detail
Luigi: 44
Liquid: 24
Roxas: 22
Sho: 10
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 8:27:20 PM | message detail
well actually maybe not at worst but.. that's where i think he'd do.
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/21/2008 8:37:07 PM | message detail
Round 1

Division 2- Match 1

Liquid Snake


Liquid is back following a decent showing last year. Will he be able to ride his arm-y appearance in MGS4 to success? We shall see in the later rounds.

Luigi

The man in green has been getting more impressive every year, culminating in him beating the crap out of Bacondorf last year. This year his test is Bowser, will he prevail?

Roxas

All we know about Roxas is he gets SFF'd up the bum by Riku. He could be anywhere from Kairi to Riku.

Sho Fodder

lol fodder

Analysis

Should be an interesting match here. Luigi takes 1st barring hell freezing over, and this Sho guy might beat Jade's run for futile performances. That leaves Liquid and Roxas to fight for second.

Given our current contest results so far, it's hard to say with any confidence who will win here, so I will abruptly end this analysis now.

Seriously though, Liquid is a decent midcarder, and would wipe the floor with Axel, and I can't see Roxas being worth much more. Then again, maybe he's really strong and was masked by Riku SFF last year. Who knows.....

TuRtLe's Prediction: Luigi 38%, Liquid 28%, Roxas 22%, Sho 12%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Luigi > Liquid
TuRtLe's Vote: Luigi
transience | Posted 9/21/2008 8:38:25 PM | message detail
trend watch:

Luigi: awesome early vote, he was actually beating Dante with Pikachu in the poll for a while. average night vote, good day vote.

Liquid: great night vote. pretty bad day vote.

Roxas: bad night vote, great day vote, I'd imagine.

Sho: Phoenix Wright-lite. board vote wonder, gets weaker as the poll goes on.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:38:57 PM | message detail
Oh snap, HM's going against the consensus again.

Was the entire division a fluke? Will we finally get a normal, predictable match? Is this contest truly going to be unpredictable every step of the way?

This contest is awesome.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/21/2008 8:41:38 PM | message detail
Quetion, Altair vs Prince of Persia, who wins?

And was Prince an EC rally? If so, what's with him and Ubisoft?
RPGuy96 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:41:59 PM | message detail
Luigi's got the best morning vote out of anybody, so watch out for that. Not that he'll need it in this match, but Link didn't look as good as he usually does with the morning vote so I'm curious if something has changed. Liquid let Alucard of all people manage a day vote comeback against him, so if he's only moderately ahead of Roxas that won't end well for him.
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smitelf | Posted 9/21/2008 8:44:35 PM | message detail
The Crew is predicting Luigi > Liquid oh god my bracket is screwed again.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:45:20 PM | message detail
Quetion, Altair vs Prince of Persia, who wins?


I think I'd still have to take Prince of Persia... probably a lot of fanbase shared right there, and I'd have to give the edge to the series that's got more history... maybe Altair is indirectly better, though... I really have no idea based off this match.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/21/2008 8:46:23 PM | message detail
transience
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#139 that Pikachu was held down in some way - Isaac/Pikachu/Serge vs. Dante/Leon/Amaterasu? I mean, come on. Isaac probably loses to Amaterasu, Serge definitely does and Tidus couldn't beat either Dante or Leon.

3% difference.


I'm about 99% sure I threw this out there during that match when people were saying Pikachu was only advancing because he was against 3 RPG characters, and when I suggested that a GBA RPG character might have way more overlap with another Game Boy RPG character than Serge and Tidus would, I was flamed.
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2008 8:48:07 PM | message detail
Quetion, Altair vs Prince of Persia, who wins?

As the #1 or #2 PoP fan on the board, I would be shocked if Altair lost that.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/21/2008 8:50:55 PM | message detail
Prince of Persia, thinking logically here.

I still don't believe Altair is as strong as he's showing here. To me, this is all just Lucario being weak as ****. If Altair performs well next round, I'll say him > PoP.

But even still, the Prince has had three games span across all platforms, and 1 and 3 were both critically acclaimed. Altair had one game across two platforms, and was hit and miss with critics and fans. I just don't see how he could be more popular then Prince here.
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Lopen | Posted 9/21/2008 8:51:27 PM | message detail
I'm more inclined to believe that Lucario and Isaac are just very weak as opposed to Altair being that strong. PoP is a pretty respectable competitor in his own right and I'd assume his fanbase would be more loyal, so I'd take PoP.
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paraboxx | Posted 9/21/2008 8:52:18 PM | message detail
I like your style, MK.

Luigi - 37
Liquid - 26
Roxas - 23
Sho - 14
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2008 8:52:39 PM | message detail
You guys are REALLY underestimating the power of Altair's design and exactly how many more people have played his game as compared to PoPs'. It really wouldn't be close, in all likelihood.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 8:54:24 PM | message detail
are you sure it wouldnt? are you expecting SFF or something? if isnt close he'd be.. a bit higher than Donkey Kong, wouldn't he?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/21/2008 8:55:05 PM | message detail
I have to agree that Prince would win that one. Guybrush doing so well speaks volumes as to how weak this fourpack is, though we'll know more next round.
Lopen | Posted 9/21/2008 8:55:19 PM | message detail
Eh I'd think that the amount of people who've played at least ONE PoP game rivals that of Assassin's Creed. And PoP looks pretty badass too from the second game on.

Maybe the sales are way against me here... in which case, yeah I'll probably give it to Altair.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:56:42 PM | message detail
oh like sales mean anything

Did you guys see Niko? Jesus, that guy was disappointing.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/21/2008 8:58:06 PM | message detail
I think I'll vote for Roxas, as I'll have other opportunities to vote for Luigi later.

ROXAS > LIQUID CONFIRMED
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/21/2008 8:58:35 PM | message detail
I'd comfortably take Niko over Altair. GTAIV is much more liked then Assassin's Creed.

The pic-factor can only get you so far.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:58:41 PM | message detail
I'm tempted to vote for Sho, but I think I need to follow my heart and vote for Luigi.
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smitelf | Posted 9/21/2008 8:59:05 PM | message detail
I'd comfortably take Altair over NIko, because Niko sucks.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:59:11 PM | message detail
I think I'll vote for Sho, making this the first time I haven't voted for Luigi.

SHO > ROXAS AND LIQUID COMBINED CONFIRMED
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/21/2008 8:59:37 PM | message detail
Voting Luigi, as always. LUIGI 4 LIFE
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smitelf | Posted 9/21/2008 8:59:54 PM | message detail
I think I'll vote for Liquid, even though I've never played any of his games, because the others are lame and I think my Oracle prediction for Liquid was too high <_<
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/21/2008 9:00:06 PM | message detail
I have other rounds to vote for Luigi. I wanna see if Roxas can upset or not first. If he can't, I'm throwing a vote to Sho.
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