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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 571

Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 12:42:05 PM | message detail
Eh, a lot of people figured Division 1 would be a giant mess. Somehow it was even a bigger mess than we thought.

don't worry though we'll be back to our cynical selves in no time c'mon predictable matches and expected results
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
transience | Posted 9/21/2008 12:49:02 PM | message detail
the mess of a bracket came from the later matches, not round 1.

round 2 and 3 should be pretty predictable. should.
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Yesmar | Posted 9/21/2008 12:49:25 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't think this is symbolic of the entire contest being crazy. We had 6 upsets/Near Upsets in a row at the beginning of last contest, and with a couple notable exceptions nothing seemed that crazy in regards to the established characters.

Also, has anyone else noticed that these polls seems very topheavy? During the weekdays, polls usually reach their halfway point between 12:30 and 1:00 PM, but the first two polls reached their peaks around noon. Upon further review, Mega/KOS-MOS/Diablo/Arthas also had a noon half way point, so this is probably, just something that happens during the first couple matches*. Very curious that every match so far has gotten very similar votals as well. It'll be interesting to see how that changes throughout the contest.


*Although by the 3rd match last year, things were back to normal.
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Midget_Fetish | Posted 9/21/2008 1:02:24 PM | message detail
so I just got back from a weekend vacation and I have no idea what's going on with this contest anymore.
NotTerrafire | Posted 9/21/2008 1:04:29 PM | message detail
Something's just struck me after looking at a graph of votes rather than percentages. Guybrush is not affected by what time of the day it is. His graph is a straight line right the way throughout the day, whereas all the others have a larger board vote, smaller night vote, larger day vote. That's crazy. He gets the same number of votes from 3am - 4am as he does from 10am - 11am.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 1:19:31 PM | message detail
um, Guybrush is getting different stuff.

01:00 | 39.68% | 12.25% | 23.95% | 24.12%
02:00 | 42.03% | 12.05% | 22.36% | 23.56%
03:00 | 40.93% | 14.14% | 23.48% | 21.45%
04:00 | 40.97% | 16.11% | 22.61% | 20.31%
05:00 | 41.38% | 18.41% | 20.17% | 20.04%
06:00 | 40.16% | 20.68% | 19.26% | 19.89%
07:00 | 40.92% | 20.58% | 19.40% | 19.11%
08:00 | 38.61% | 19.77% | 20.36% | 21.26%
09:00 | 41.65% | 16.92% | 17.83% | 23.60%
10:00 | 41.35% | 13.53% | 21.02% | 24.10%
11:00 | 42.29% | 12.96% | 21.11% | 23.63%
12:00 | 43.21% | 12.58% | 21.26% | 22.95%
13:00 | 44.28% | 12.65% | 20.53% | 22.54%
14:00 | 43.75% | 13.30% | 21.57% | 21.38%
15:00 | 44.83% | 12.86% | 20.38% | 21.93%

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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
NotTerrafire | Posted 9/21/2008 1:21:41 PM | message detail
I'm talking about votes, not percentages. His percentage goes up during the times when there are fewer votes overall, because he still gets the same number of votes. Creepy.
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/21/2008 1:28:00 PM | message detail
So, how well would Jigglypuff do? Puff, as we all know, is one of the original 151 and has the other smash games and was in the anime.
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Tohoya | Posted 9/21/2008 1:37:33 PM | message detail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamblers_fallacy

This topic is like an inverse gambler's fallacy with everyone saying that all of the most unlikely upsets are actually going to occur
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Malakuko | Posted 9/21/2008 1:38:46 PM | message detail
Jigglypuff would probably be a decent midcarder in this format

we need to get her into a damn contest anyway, because she's the only original Smash character who hasn't been in one. She's long overdue
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swirIdude | Posted 9/21/2008 1:39:02 PM | message detail
I would take Jigglypuff over Lucario even before today, now that would be a lock to me.

But I wouldn't take Puff over Pikachu, Mewtwo, or Charizard. She would probably beat any other Pokemon though.
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Lopen | Posted 9/21/2008 1:45:29 PM | message detail
Eh. Unexpected as these first four matches have been, I could've stretched to make cases for 3/4 of them and even considered 3/4 of them. (Duke is the one that totally blindsided me, but it's Kefka after all) It's an unpredictable division by nature, that doesn't mean that the contest is suddenly just going to be like "NOTHING MAKES SENSE." I don't like Roxas's chances to upset at all.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/21/2008 1:46:22 PM | message detail

swirIdude (#161)
I would take Jigglypuff over Lucario even before today, now that would be a lock to me.

But I wouldn't take Puff over Pikachu, Mewtwo, or Charizard. She would probably beat any other Pokemon though.


What about Jigglypuff VS Mudkip? I might be tempted to take the 'Kip there.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/21/2008 1:47:26 PM | message detail
Jiggly would be doing better than Lucario, for sure. I would still rather see Charizard though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/21/2008 1:49:19 PM | message detail
win one for the ole kipper
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 9/21/2008 1:50:06 PM | message detail
Altair vs. Scorpion who do you pick?
ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/21/2008 1:50:21 PM | message detail
Scorps.
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NotTerrafire | Posted 9/21/2008 1:50:36 PM | message detail
Who'd take Jigglypuff > Bidoof? Not sure how much that fad has died down, and it could all be stirred up again with judicious linking of the comics.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/21/2008 1:51:43 PM | message detail

NotTerrafire (#168)
Who'd take Jigglypuff > Bidoof? Not sure how much that fad has died down, and it could all be stirred up again with judicious linking of the comics.


Bidoof wouldn't stand a chance.
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Tohoya | Posted 9/21/2008 2:07:13 PM | message detail
So, MM9 is out tomorrow, at least on the Wii, and will soon be released on the other consoles. MMX's first round match takes place on the day of its PSN release (Sept 25), and Mega MAn's first match will be soon after the release of the XBLA version. What effect do you guys think it'll have on his contest performance?
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/21/2008 2:07:45 PM | message detail
I wish Protoman got in so we could see if a "DLC Boost" exists.

>_>
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 2:08:27 PM | message detail

Tohoya (#159)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamblers_fallacy

This topic is like an inverse gambler's fallacy with everyone saying that all of the most unlikely upsets are actually going to occur


quote of the week. abide by it.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/21/2008 3:10:00 PM | message detail
This topic is like an inverse gambler's fallacy with everyone saying that all of the most unlikely upsets are actually going to occur

No, not really. The gambler's fallacy and its inverse have only to do with independent events. You could argue the fact that not a single match went as expected makes it more likely that many characters' relative popularities have shifted enough to change future outcomes from the expectation.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/21/2008 3:25:00 PM | message detail
you could, but as far as i'm concerned not a single person said it that way. =P

everybody pointed more to our disaster brackets rather than anything changing.
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ZFS | Posted 9/21/2008 4:14:36 PM | message detail
Oh man Guybrush has kept 14%

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 4:28:04 PM | message detail
hey hm just imagine how Midget with Huge Belt would have done
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/21/2008 4:29:10 PM | message detail
Heh, so I just got back from a three day weekend convention and I see some surprising results occuring. Excellent. I knew I shoulda stuck with Altair > Lucario instead of vice versa!
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therealmnm | Posted 9/21/2008 4:39:28 PM | message detail
You know, I'm thinking this isn't particularly a case of Nintendo disappointing rather than non-Nintendo gamer demographics have grown much more in proportion to Nintendo. Yes, Wii ownership is high, plus there has been Brawl/Galaxy/Mario Kart and whatnot, but we're talking a small amount of games for Nintendo, and the biggest one of them (Brawl) already brought in tons of fans to the site just in terms of pure anticipation of the game. The release of the game as a result might not have added that much to the site since a ton of Brawl fans were already on the site talking about it.

However, my main thought points to the tons of games for PS3/360. I'm not going to waste time trying to list them all, but between big releases for both consoles, plus the tons of multiplatform releases, it might be a simple case of the demographic balancing out due to rise of the PS3/360, not necessarily Nintendo weakening. Of course, I'm just speaking off the top of my head. I don't exactly remember if the "Got Console" polls support this or not...

But yeah, if that's the case, it could be the explanation of everything! You can be stereotypical and say that PS3/360 gamers love FPSs and therefore easily choice The Duke because they like BALLS OF STEEL! Or perhaps Duke Nukem and Niko Bellic LFF'd each other amongst that fanbase and Kefka just really sucks balls (of steel).

Anyways, I'm just yapping while I take a break from homework...
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ZFS | Posted 9/21/2008 4:43:41 PM | message detail
hey hm just imagine how Midget with Huge Belt would have done

cutthroat bill, baby

would've placed here book it

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2008 4:46:15 PM | message detail
THAT'S what his name was

believe
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
ZFS | Posted 9/21/2008 4:53:58 PM | message detail
Not a bad thought there, mnm. I don't know if that's what today's match is showing (these dudes are still less than 10% off from Guybrush), but I always figured we might see more of a move toward the non-Nintendo demographic here, especially after that disastrous E3 showing -- the polls that came after that were pretty ugly. Here lately it seems like the 360 is this site's console of choice, despite the ownership polls.

Gotta see some more matches, though.

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creativename | Posted 9/21/2008 4:54:49 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=4

Terrific pic for Liquid...Kindgom Hearts is usually underrated by people in more recent years...and Luigi goes all Home Alone style.

I see significant Luigi underperformance coming up here.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 9/21/2008 4:56:28 PM | message detail

creativename (#182)
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=4

Terrific pic for Liquid...Kindgom Hearts is usually underrated by people in more recent years...and Luigi goes all Home Alone style.

I see significant Luigi underperformance coming up here.


I made the Liquid pic! :D

Also, not trying to sound cocky, but I would think my Luigi pic would've performed better :|

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w250/Justin_Crossing/Luigi.jpg
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creativename | Posted 9/21/2008 4:57:07 PM | message detail
The video game market just keeps expanding, and while Wii I think is still the sales leader, it's relative dominance is decreasing I believe.

Also, I think most Wii game sales are for games that are clearly not FAQ-ish type games.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/21/2008 4:58:17 PM | message detail
I wouldn't call Liquid's pic terrific, but at least no one else looks super appealing. Luigi is his normal goofy self, Sho is actually kinda drawn like Liquid, and Roxas looks very normal.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/21/2008 5:04:16 PM | message detail
Here lately it seems like the 360 is this site's console of choice, despite the ownership polls.


Well ownership is just a part of it. Like I said, besides those 3 games, there hardly have been any big hits for the Wii, and in the case of Brawl, a lot of those fans probably were already on the site just for hype reasons alone (I actually saved screenshots of the Brawl Board activity over the course of the hype, although I don't remember where I put them, heh).

I actually just did the numbers, taken from the "Got Console" polls of Summer 07 and 08.

PS3: 14% => 27%
360: 41% => 50%
Wii: 51% => 60%
PSP: 33% => 38%
DS: 66% => 64%

Nothing too surprising: The PS3 had the most to gain. 360, Wii, and PSP steadily gained, and DS is already "maxed out". But then couple that info with the amounts of games that have been coming out for each system and the contest results might actually make sense outside of Nintendo just "disappointing".

Although Shadow just sucks sucks sucks, that hasn't changed
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creativename | Posted 9/21/2008 5:04:26 PM | message detail
I'd be more inclined to say, Sho is actually kinda drawn like crap :) Not like it matters...
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:07:32 PM | message detail
I see significant Luigi underperformance coming up here.

I don't see why... that's Luigi. People who like Luigi should totally want to vote for that.

And really... it's Luigi. I don't think a picture will affect him at all... everyone knows who he is, the picture is completely recognizable... unlike like... a Kefka picture where he looks like a generic shirtless guy instead of a crazy clown.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/21/2008 5:10:26 PM | message detail
You know, speaking of that pic, I fail to see why SBallin' decided to choose that Luigi pic over the one that KP submitted (http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/438/match5zh7.png) other than the fact of personal lulz. I guess he thought it was "cute" or something. Plus it conjures up images of his Sailor Bacon female cosplaying days. That Luigi pic seems like a "Bacon" thing to do, heh. <_<;
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/21/2008 5:11:46 PM | message detail
Yeah, not trying to sound arrogant but my Luigi pic>>>>the one being used. It was one of my favorite ones.

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WishFulfillment | Posted 9/21/2008 5:13:14 PM | message detail
I love the lack of respect Bacon gets around here. God ceej should have left the site to a flinging poo monkey

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therealmnm | Posted 9/21/2008 5:14:54 PM | message detail
Hey, choosing a picture doesn't exactly take a computer science degree!
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/21/2008 5:15:48 PM | message detail
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:16:11 PM | message detail
I think the thumbs up picture is the worst of the three. I like Justin's most.

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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:20:47 PM | message detail
Luigi's Luigi. Nobody would care about what pic he got. Ever.
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WishFulfillment | Posted 9/21/2008 5:23:55 PM | message detail
man how did Luigi's Mansion get such bad reviews? That game was awesome...

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:27:08 PM | message detail
Because "Mario? Maaaaaario?"
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/21/2008 5:32:28 PM | message detail
Lucario? More like Luflopio. Struggling to break away from Isaac early on? Wow. Just....wow.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:38:18 PM | message detail
Posted by Biolizard28
Luigi's Luigi. Nobody would care about what pic he got. Ever.


Is this where I point out how hard Link was hit by his WW Link pic?
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/21/2008 5:40:52 PM | message detail
Is this where I point out how hard Link was hit by his WW Link pic?

Even so, that's a wildly different Link than most people are voting for


Luigi is Luigi in this picture. Maybe you could make an argument that like... Mr. L would hurt Luigi, but a picture of Luigi that is just Luigi being Luigi? No way.
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