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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 570

MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:21:32 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#294)
Yes, it does. Zidane was the 4th weakest character in the poll and on the receiving end of double PS1 SFF. He's obviously stronger than that poll shows.


you do realize this is a point against you right? if he's susceptile to those guys, what makes him not susceptible to Zack?

in fact, what about that 'hardcore fanbase' you were talking? wouldnt it have stood up to those guys/

KamikazePotato (#294)As for Wario...I think we see how Nintendo is doing. Wario could very well be weaker than he was last year, and he was weak.



you'd have to entertain Wario being much much weaker than Ness to even get your point valid. that's not happening.

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Yesmar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:21:34 PM | message detail
There would be 64 entrants, not 128

Then you'd just have different characters pulling off upsets instead. And you can still have a 1 vs. 1 contest with 128 characters.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 9/20/2008 10:21:41 PM | message detail
don't worry guys, we will see whether this site is still a NintendoFAQs or not in the next three days. If the mario people can't obliterate their weakling competition, it means NintendoFAQs is done!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:21:53 PM | message detail
Yeah, KP has the dubious distinction of being the one and only person I have ever put on my ignore list. His philosophy major-like arguments make my head hurt, and he contributes nothing to discussion.

Congratulations.
M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:22:44 PM | message detail

hochimnih157 (#254)
Moreso than Lucario bombing I want to know how Altair is this ****ing strong? He's going up like a madman. What the hell?!


The answer is obvious. Look at Kratos. Now consider this fact - Assassin's Creed is more popular than God of War.


The answer is obvious. Look at Altair. Now consider this fact - GTAIV is more popular than Assassin's Creed.
The answer is obvious. Look at Altair. Now consider this fact - Pokemon DP is more popular than Assassin's Creed.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:23:41 PM | message detail

Yesmar (#289)
What I love about this contest especially is that so far characters who normally get no love and get slaughtered in 1v1 formats are actually getting their moment in the sun. Zidane, Duke, and now Isaac and showing that they do have at least some strength with their surprising runs, and it's great to see these normally 13-level seeds beating opponents. It's fantastic.

But Duke and Isaac WOULD HAVE WON A 1 V. 1 if they got the same opponents. I don't know how this being a four way changes anything.


128 characters. They wouldn't have had such opponents in a 64 field! Hell, they may not have even made it!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:23:47 PM | message detail
you do realize this is a point against you right? if he's susceptile to those guys, what makes him not susceptible to Zack?

To SFF someone you have to be a good bit stronger than them. =)


in fact, what about that 'hardcore fanbase' you were talking? wouldnt it have stood up to those guys/

It did. He got 19% in that poll. He got 18% in the other one. Zidane might have the most hardcore (if small) fanbase we've ever seen. >_>

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:23:56 PM | message detail
Altair being at pre GoW2 Kratos levels isn't that much of a stretch given how much he's dominating here. No way he's equal to last year's Kratos though.
HaRRicH | Posted 9/20/2008 10:25:05 PM | message detail
I will say this current argument is making me annoyed...and seeing BT get high and mighty and indignified by it is weird.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 10:25:05 PM | message detail
yoblazer33: Now I'm just waiting for the joke matches
yoblazer33: Let's go, L-Block.
Mr TheMailman: l-block is in a really tough position in round 2 this year
Mr TheMailman: huge difference between SFF'd kirby + kratos and crono + ryu
yoblazer33: Yeah but we can never doubt it.
yoblazer33: It has pointy edges.
yoblazer33: Four of them
yoblazer33: No wait, FIVE OF THEM
yoblazer33: And TEN OF THEM if it's a 3D L-Blockk
Mr TheMailman: the joke character i'm most frightened of, to be honest
Mr TheMailman: is the sandbag
yoblazer33: Ok seriously Drac
Mr TheMailman: and its ability to take down magus
yoblazer33: How many pointy edges does Sandbag have?
Mr TheMailman: not one
yoblazer33: HOW MANY POI
yoblazer33: Oh, I thought you weren't gonna answer!
yoblazer33: Yes, not one!
Mr TheMailman: lol
yoblazer33: This tournament is over.

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ZFS | Posted 9/20/2008 10:25:29 PM | message detail
Yes, there are FF7 fans that do nothing but vote for it, but saying they all are, or most of them even, is just silly.

You don't even need half of the FFVII fans to do this, man. We're talking about 20 - 23% here. I'm talking about the group that considers FFVII their favorite game -- that 25% or whatever it was. There's *a lot* more fans of FFVII than that, but that group is where you're gonna find the hardcore guys. Not sure why Zidane should be expected to have a more dedicated fanbase there, or assume he's not going to lose some of that base going up against another Square character. We can call out Zack's role all we want to here, but the same argument was used before, and he still wrecked the poll with another Square character in there.

Zack's got a whole lot going into his favor in this match. Almost everything points to him winning this one. That's why you've got more people going with Zack here and not talking about Zidane, who may not have even advanced without some help. Of course, I'm biased here, but if there's one thing I'm good at in these contests it's the FFVII guys.

We'll see what happens, but I'm confident Zack takes this without any trouble.

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xp1337 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:25:42 PM | message detail
You know, if my bracket wasn't already dead because I was an idiot, I'd be going about saying my Arthas > Ike pick was looking pretty good compared to what it looked like a few days ago.

Of course, with all the crazy picks I make based on twisted logic, I'm bound to get a few things right. The Game Contest was just the Perfect Storm for me where I was almost invincible until I pushed my luck with SMB3 > CT. =(
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:26:09 PM | message detail
To SFF someone you have to be a good bit stronger than them. =)

until you prove that isnt the case here, then i'd turn that smile into a frown right about now.

It did. He got 19% in that poll. He got 18% in the other one. Zidane might have the most hardcore (if small) fanbase we've ever seen. >_>

i guess Zidane could beat Mario if we also add Samus! he may even come close!

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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/20/2008 10:27:11 PM | message detail
Ugh, I agree with HM.

Link Kills, Zack cleans up.
Wario's Corpse is going to be one ugly mess though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:27:36 PM | message detail
I will say this current argument is making me annoyed...and seeing BT get high and mighty and indignified by it is weird.

All I've asked for is for people to acknowledge the small possibility of an upset. Really, its not hard and I expect better of some of you.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:27:58 PM | message detail
well not add Samus but Sephiroth as well.

i'm referring to last year's match of course.
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:28:19 PM | message detail

KronicYouth (#300)
Holy god... I want to say Altair should do well in the day, what with his intense casual appeal, and 360 love, but with the way he's tearing it up right now, is it possible for him to go anywhere but down in the day?



Yeah, Altair does look to be a day vote character but this start is just too insane. Isaac didn't do much with the day vote last year though and it was pretty much downhill for him at night.

I'm going to guess day-vote wise, Lucario > Altair > Isaac >>>>> Guybrush.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/20/2008 10:28:33 PM | message detail
Today's match should be a good example of LFF in action. Issac and Lucario are holding each other back, allowing Altair to easily take the win.

As for my bracket, I could still get two points for calling Isaac correctly. But only if Issac can overtake Lucario.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:28:35 PM | message detail
This brings to mind an interesting question. If Zolom wasn't stacked against Cloud last year, how would he have done?
Gaddswell | Posted 9/20/2008 10:28:39 PM | message detail
Back and forth between Isaac cutting and Lucario gaining. Proof that they're hurting each other?

Anyways, since we have two four way matches with Zidane now where he got similar percentages, is it possible for someone to use the two matches to try and find an x-stat formula? >_>
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 10:29:32 PM | message detail
All I've asked for is for people to acknowledge the small possibility of an upset. Really, its not hard and I expect better of some of you.

Sure, there's a small possibility, but I've heard rumors that Bacon is in talks with CNet to officially change this place's name to ZackFAQs in the next week or two. That should seal the deal, I think.
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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:29:38 PM | message detail
you don't need to go about it in the way of capitalizing every word you post and separating your sentences into paragraphs, and the general OH MY GOD NO WAY GAH GAH GAH manner. I agree with you, and I think Dranze is being just as ridiculous, just in a different manner. If you want to get your point across better, do it in a less offensive way.

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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:30:01 PM | message detail
and yes i realize the hilarity in me telling someone else to be less offensive. SUCK IT
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:30:16 PM | message detail
Can I just say, from the entire stats topic and Board 8 in general, damn you EC.
ZFS | Posted 9/20/2008 10:30:19 PM | message detail
who wants my nuts

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:30:52 PM | message detail
You don't even need half of the FFVII fans to do this, man. We're talking about 20 - 23% here. I'm talking about the group that considers FFVII their favorite game -- that 25% or whatever it was. There's *a lot* more fans of FFVII than that, but that group is where you're gonna find the hardcore guys.

But is Zack even a character they care or know about? No matter how well he did, he's still the most obscure FF7 character by far, Crisis Core or not.


Not sure why Zidane should be expected to have a more dedicated fanbase there, or assume he's not going to lose some of that base going up against another Square character. We can call out Zack's role all we want to here, but the same argument was used before, and he still wrecked the poll with another Square character in there.

The Cecil argument assumed he gained some New Square fans with the releases and remakes. He...didn't. And Old Square/New Square by a lot.


Zack's got a whole lot going into his favor in this match. Almost everything points to him winning this one. That's why you've got more people going with Zack here and not talking about Zidane, who may not have even advanced without some help. Of course, I'm biased here, but if there's one thing I'm good at in these contests it's the FFVII guys.

See, everything does point to Zack winning. I agree with this. That doesn't mean Zidane has no shot. He did well enough for the possibility to be there.


you don't need to go about it in the way of capitalizing every word you post and separating your sentences into paragraphs, and the general OH MY GOD NO WAY GAH GAH GAH manner. I agree with you, and I think Dranze is being just as ridiculous, just in a different manner. If you want to get your point across better, do it in a less offensive way.

Yeah, when I explode, I explode. Sorry about that.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/20/2008 10:30:52 PM | message detail
Oh, I don't mean to discount the upset potential in Zack/Zidane -- I'm right there with ya that Zidane's in the match, though I still gotta call Zack the favorite. I just mean this escalated QUICK and all caps is bad news for my eyes.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:31:24 PM | message detail
ec this is all your fault for getting altair in no love for you tonight
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Xcarvenger | Posted 9/20/2008 10:31:28 PM | message detail
This brings to mind an interesting question. If Zolom wasn't stacked against Cloud last year, how would he have done?

Zolom > anyone who got below 20% on BL tbqh
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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:31:45 PM | message detail
Today's match should be a good example of LFF in action. Issac and Lucario are holding each other back, allowing Altair to easily take the win.

Sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Altair has his way with either of these punks 1v1.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:31:58 PM | message detail

Yesmar (#302)
There would be 64 entrants, not 128

Then you'd just have different characters pulling off upsets instead. And you can still have a 1 vs. 1 contest with 128 characters.


A 128-character 1v1 contest would be 4 months. The additional possibility of upsets wouldn't even compare to the long periods of boredom and apathy over characters people care nothing about. We'd be burned out long before the contest was over.

You just can't replicate this kind of intensity in a 1v1 setting anymore. Look how furious everyone is! When was the last time you've seen everyone so angry for several days in a row? The board hasn't been this pissed off and ecstatic since 2002! A 1v1 contest would not come close to the intensity, especially since if this were 8 separate matches, there'd be several gaps between upsets (Link VS Luke, Cecil VS Jade, whoever VS Guybrush) rather than upset after upset without rest. You just couldn't replicate this success in a 1v1 setting no matter how you crack it.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:32:05 PM | message detail
Is he still whining about this?

All the better it will be when the true star of FF7 lays the Zackdown on that emo loser's whiny monkey tail.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:32:15 PM | message detail
all i really 'asked' was that being paranoid over matches that had little to no logic (based on past performances) because of upsets happening time and time again is the silliest thing anybody could ever do.

and as long as ive been in this stats topic, it's happened a couple of times. it happened in Knuckles/Magus (some people entertained Geno > Squall); and i see this no different honestly. i do not lose my ability to interpret victories over being screwed by new entrants and unexpected leeching.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:32:35 PM | message detail
Oh, I don't mean to discount the upset potential in Zack/Zidane -- I'm right there with ya that Zidane's in the match, though I still gotta call Zack the favorite. I just mean this escalated QUICK and all caps is bad news for my eyes.

Consider me placated then!

I apologize for freaking out. However, me freaking out got BT to ignore me, so I can't be too sorry over it.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 10:33:26 PM | message detail
People argue hardest for the characters they like most.

Can you imagine me if Ariel somehow got in one of these contests?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:33:45 PM | message detail
While it's possible there's some overlap with Isaac/Lucario, Altair is winning by enough that he'd kill either one in a 1v1 situation.
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:34:06 PM | message detail
I STILL LOVE AND BELIEVE IN YOU, CECIL! ;____;
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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:34:49 PM | message detail
like i need your love moltar i got that hunk of sex altair to fulfill my desires
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paraboxx | Posted 9/20/2008 10:34:53 PM | message detail
We're not seriously ragging on EC for his nomination, are we?

Cause this is probably the most successful Guru nom we're ever gonna get...
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:34:53 PM | message detail
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#336 People argue hardest for the characters they like most.

Can you imagine me if Ariel somehow got in one of these contests?


Zero > Crono/Vincent!
HaRRicH | Posted 9/20/2008 10:35:40 PM | message detail
People argue hardest for the characters they like most.

Not so -- Ness isn't in my top ten and I couldn't finish EB!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 10:35:48 PM | message detail
I already congratulated EC for picking an excellent candidate. I would have picked Waluigi.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:35:51 PM | message detail
Proto Man would be kicking Altair's ass right now.
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:36:34 PM | message detail
QB Eagles would be rocking this match so hard, 60% even...and that's without the Philly vote!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:36:49 PM | message detail
meh. i cant ever remember a time i was incredibly biased in a pick i ever had. when i look at matches, i forget i even like the character.

i mean i'm honestly voting Zidane...
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/20/2008 10:36:55 PM | message detail
All the better it will be when the true star of FF7 lays the Zackdown on that emo loser's whiny monkey tail.

This may be the best post BT's ever given us. Lay the Zackdown. XD

and yeah, didn't last year's guru winner want us to nominate ****ing Toad or something like that. This is pretty much the best guru pick we're gonna get.

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ZFS | Posted 9/20/2008 10:37:37 PM | message detail
But is Zack even a character they care or know about? No matter how well he did, he's still the most obscure FF7 character by far, Crisis Core or not.

I would have thought this wasn't a question after he got nearly 45% in a poll. You can downplay this to benefit Zidane, but you don't get that much on people not caring about you. Would you have expected Zidane to do anywhere near that? Most wouldn't. And Crisis Core will help in something like this. Don't know why it wouldn't -- look at how many people around here support Zack because of it.

Not buyin' this 'obscure' or 'who cares about him though' stuff after what he did.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:38:09 PM | message detail
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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:38:47 PM | message detail
i should have picked toadette

god what is wrong with me
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