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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 570

Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:02 PM | message detail
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What in the unholy oh god I love this contest

Altair/Zack in round 3 might be interesting at this rate... but then blowing out Isaac and Lucario may not be worth much, especially if they're hurting each other. No one would take Lucario (or Isaac) > Wario, right?
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hochimnih157 | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:03 PM | message detail
Wait, are you guys really arguing Zidane will be able to beat Zack next round. Let me rephrase this for you stooges - Zack an FFVII character will be bested by Zidane, an FFIX character. I don't think so. Zidane is still fodder no matter how you slice it. Zack is stronger and the SFF will benefit him. All Zidane will do is hold Zack back like Cecil did in Round 1. Zidane still gets third though. I'm skeptical Wario even gets 5%. Jesus Christ, no wonder all of your brackets bleed red.
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smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:04 PM | message detail
I'm not considering Zidane > Zack because I think there was some crazy stuff going on with Link and Shadow (and hence Zidane isn't really any better than he ever was), and because FFVII >>> FFIX in the SFF/LFF priority line.
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:06 PM | message detail

BlAcK TuRtLe (#193)
Then again, I'm wary to call anything a foregone conclusion any more, but if Zidane gets out of this division, I'm closing my account and leaving this dump forever.



Sorry BT, but statements like that gotta be quoted. >_>
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:18 PM | message detail
Well, this is it for Lucrapio. Who will be our next complete dud? Please don't let it be Diddy =(
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:22 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#198)
Seriously, I expected better of you people. ISAAC IS ABOUT TO OVERTAKE LUCARIO AND YOU WON'T ENTERTAIN ZIDANE=ZACK.



difference being these are known opponents and not estimated guesses on of new entrants.
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 9:56:30 PM | message detail
If we're arguin' dedicated fanbases, it doesn't get much more dedicated than FFVII.

HM, I know you love the guy but if you think Zack has a dedicated fanbase you are off your rocker. FFVII=/=instant dedicated fanbase.

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Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2008 9:57:06 PM | message detail
On the plus side, Lucario flopping makes me feel better about not having Sandbag advance. <_____<
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/20/2008 9:57:11 PM | message detail
I come back from Lakeview Terrace and see this. HOW THE HELL IS LUCARIO THIS WEAK?
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Just Some Person | Posted 9/20/2008 9:57:14 PM | message detail
Lucario's starting to sink like a stone. :o

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 9:57:30 PM | message detail
Looks like Altair > Marth will be the "why should we even give a ****" consensus for the next round!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 9:58:16 PM | message detail
I'm actually rooting for Isaac here. If he's in the next round, that gives Marth free reign to perform the best he can, and he's more likely to finish first, which is worth more than the 2 points I get for Lucrapio finishing second here.
hochimnih157 | Posted 9/20/2008 9:59:10 PM | message detail
Truth be told, I flirted with the idea of Altair > Issac for a while. I still expect the day vote to benefit Lucario. Regardless, it makes no difference in the long run.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 9:59:53 PM | message detail
I repeat, you all disappoint me.

We've already seen so many crazy upsets. We may have 1st Round data now, but seriously, Isaac over Lucario? That makes no sense in EVERY WAY. Pokemon>Golden Sun, and Lucario was even in Brawl.

And it's happening.

I said earlier that getting rid of any possible slim upset was stupid. I think I'm being proven right. Zack has the advantage, yes. 100% advantage? If you honestly say that (or some douche answer like 99.9%), then you haven't learned your lessons yet.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2008 10:00:27 PM | message detail
I'm not seeing Nintendo decreasing after what Marth did yesterday.

He let Duke Nukem take the lead on him before the Nintendo vote. You're seeing what you want to see out of that Rorschach (as are others, but two differing wrong assessments don't make a right).

And I don't think I need to say anything concerning Altair that I didn't say yesterday.
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hochimnih157 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:00:36 PM | message detail
Isaac still is a Nintendo character. He'll still be a drain on Marth (Although not quite as bad as Lucarifail)
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:01:01 PM | message detail
honestly you cant just throw that "OUR BRACKETS ARE GETTING OWNED THUS ZIDANE IS UP IN THE AIR"

like i said, this is about NEW ENTRANTS.

back there with Zidane is about entrants we've already see and verified. if you have no logic to back yourself up, you cannot grab straws with our brackets being owned. it doesnt work that way man.
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:01:10 PM | message detail

BlAcK TuRtLe (#193)
Beating Wario by 11% > barely beating a weak Shadow that was being SFFd into the ground by Link.

Then again, I'm wary to call anything a foregone conclusion any more, but if Zidane gets out of this division, I'm closing my account and leaving this dump forever.


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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:01:19 PM | message detail
He also did very well against Kefka and Niko. Duke is just stronger than thought.

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smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 10:01:34 PM | message detail
I said earlier that getting rid of any possible slim upset was stupid.

Yes, it is a possible slim upset, but considering every possible slim upset in this contest would make my head explode.
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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:01:51 PM | message detail
Pokemon>Golden Sun

***Golden Sun > Diamond/Pearl

or if you don't believe that. Main character Golden Sun > one of tons of pokemon from Diamond/Pearl
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:11 PM | message detail
Altair is looking really good to escape this division.

And Isaac should get the lead pretty soon. Hopefully he'll hold on.
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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:26 PM | message detail
My prediction on this division come round 2.

Link > Zidane
Altair > Duke

Link > Altair

Wow what the hell is wrong with this thing.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:28 PM | message detail
Eh, FF7 has proven time and time agian that you can't **** with it. Seph and Cloud being Juggernauts they are(Cmon, They Beat ******* Mario like nothing nowadays. THE Goddamn Mario) and Vincent, Aeris and Tifa Hanging around or going toe to toe with NN peeps(and inVincent's Case, Capable of possibly breaking the NN. Hell Tifa almost did).

Why you guys were expecting Wario of all people to beat a guy from the same game that got his own game, and who acctually had a point in the game(which is more than what can be said for Vince).....
WHATS WRONG WITH YOU FOLKS 0_o
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xp1337 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:31 PM | message detail
Quick! Let's invent barriers so we can make this match seem more dramatic!

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satai_delenn | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:33 PM | message detail
back there with Zidane is about entrants we've already see and verified. if you have no logic to back yourself up, you cannot grab straws with our brackets being owned. it doesnt work that way man.

So uh...we all totally saw and verified that Zidane was advancing past round 1 too, right? >_>
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paraboxx | Posted 9/20/2008 10:02:36 PM | message detail
Uhh...why would Isaac hurt Marth less than Lucario?

Brawl? Isn't helping Lucario much right now. (Didn't help Wario much either.)

Meanwhile Golden Sun and Fire Emblem are both Nintendo RPGs that first hit the US on the GBA.
Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:03:21 PM | message detail
Honestly, I never saw a D/P Pokemon doing well.

...Though I didn't expect Isaac levels of unwell for the most popular one.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:03:39 PM | message detail
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:03:41 PM | message detail

satai_delenn (#226)
So uh...we all totally saw and verified that Zidane was advancing past round 1 too, right? >_>



nobody knew Shadow would get SFF'd that bad.

that wasnt Zidane's strength; it was Shadow's weakness. so your point is moot.
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Altair/Guybrush/Isaac/Lucario - Bracket: Lucario > Altair - Vote: Lucario (6/12)
Tohoya | Posted 9/20/2008 10:04:46 PM | message detail
honestly you cant just throw that "OUR BRACKETS ARE GETTING OWNED THUS ZIDANE IS UP IN THE AIR"

like i said, this is about NEW ENTRANTS.

back there with Zidane is about entrants we've already see and verified. if you have no logic to back yourself up, you cannot grab straws with our brackets being owned. it doesnt work that way man.


If this was about new entrants, Link > Shadow > Zidane should have been a lock
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/20/2008 10:05:09 PM | message detail
To be fair, D/P pokes are 1/1 for Round 1 <_<

Soo many Pissed Edgey fans.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2008 10:05:13 PM | message detail
He also did very well against Kefka and Niko.

It's Kefka. I never considered him even in the running to take down Marth, and I'm not sure why others did - Marcus Fenix and Revolver Ocelot are not impressive characters. Niko is a GTA character in today's contests where being a GTA character means constantly disappointing (and more importantly, an unknown quantity), and it's still just Duke Nukem. You can't just go and say, "oh, that must mean that X was stronger than I thought" when it's just as possible that Y is weaker than you thought.
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/20/2008 10:05:16 PM | message detail
that wasnt Zidane's strength; it was Shadow's weakness. so your point is moot.

I'm pretty sure KP's point is that despite having seen the characters before, we didn't predict what happened. So we shouldn't assume that we can 100% do so now.

That said...I'm still on the Zack train. But Link > Zidane would be okay with me too!
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:05:27 PM | message detail
What I love about this contest especially is that so far characters who normally get no love and get slaughtered in 1v1 formats are actually getting their moment in the sun. Zidane, Duke, and now Isaac and showing that they do have at least some strength with their surprising runs, and it's great to see these normally 13-level seeds beating opponents. It's fantastic.

That and watching the Stats topic implode into itself. <3
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:05:55 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato (#229)
WARIO COULD BE WEAKER THAN LAST YEAR FOR ALL WE KNOW

OR ZACK COULD DOMINATE

ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN YOU CLOSE-MINDED MORONS



i'm not being close-minded. you're being paranoid simply because of a hard division being thrown at us at the very beginning. you cannot entertain an upset as 'up in the air' simply because of our brackets and i will stand by this.

sure, this match obviously throws that in the grinder, but at least with Zidane and Zack, we've seen them in action. there is simply no reason Zidane should win outside of Zack's fanbase being abandoned which is very, very slim.

i'm not saying it's impossible but it's just slim.
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smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 10:06:01 PM | message detail
Woah Kamikaze, take a chill pill.
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paraboxx | Posted 9/20/2008 10:06:34 PM | message detail
Hey, what's up with the #ed quotes? (BlAcK TuRtLe (#193), satai_delenn (#226), etc) How do you get that kind of quote on this MB?
Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:06:43 PM | message detail
Hmmmm. Stall while Altair destroys everyone.

...Even Guybrush. At this hour.

...That's disgusting.
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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:06:45 PM | message detail
anyone continuing to doubt the possibility of Zidane > Zack really is just a complete fool at this point. Say what you want about new entrants blah blah blah, guess what? Zack's still a new entrant, we never had a good read on Zidane (who is a returning character mind you, and people still didn't see that coming), and he was involved in a SFF ridden match, that allowed him to presumably advance. Zack should still be considered the favorite, there's really no questioning that, but come on.

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:01 PM | message detail
Moreso than Lucario bombing I want to know how Altair is this ****ing strong? He's going up like a madman. What the hell?!
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smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:11 PM | message detail

paraboxx (#238)
Hey, what's up with the #ed quotes? (BlAcK TuRtLe (#193), satai_delenn (#226), etc) How do you get that kind of quote on this MB?



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KronicYouth | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:36 PM | message detail

i'm not being close-minded. you're being paranoid simply because of a hard division being thrown at us at the very beginning.


Just like you weren't being close-minded about Lucario > Altair today being an essential lock. lolerskates.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:41 PM | message detail

KronicYouth (#240)
guess what? Zack's still a new entrant,



a new entrant that got 44% in a poll Zidane would never achieve in.
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Tohoya | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:47 PM | message detail
***Golden Sun > Diamond/Pearl

If you'd seriously take golden Sun > D/P in a games contest, you are not very smart.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:52 PM | message detail
i'm not being close-minded.

Yes, you are. You're dismissing a valid upset due to previous performances. There have been so many times when that has gone wrong...

Sticking by my close-minded morons thing.

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Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:07:58 PM | message detail
To be fair, D/P pokes are 1/1 for Round 1 <_<

...
I forgot that thing existed. Whoops.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 10:08:01 PM | message detail

KronicYouth (#243)
ust like you weren't being close-minded about Lucario > Altair today being an essential lock. lolerskates.



do you read? or are you that stupid about what i just said?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 10:08:07 PM | message detail
I'm seriously contemplating ignoring KP. He's been so damn annoying since the contest started.

I never thought I'd ignore someone.
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/20/2008 10:08:10 PM | message detail
I would like to point that Lucario is closer to GUYBRUSH FREAKING THREEPWOOD than he is to Altair. >_>
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