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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 569
| Link The Hylian | Posted 9/20/2008 4:09:14 PM | message detail |
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"Guy is not stronger than Kefka with a normal pic unless he boosted for some strange reason." Oh yeah? Well I say we make Kefka the new fodder line since he can't win against anyone whos above it (barring 2003). --- "The PS2 had 12,000,000 pre orders. To give you an idea of how many people that is that's over half of the world population." - DifferentialEquation |
| Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 4:10:04 PM | message detail |
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Just because he hasn't beaten anyone of note does not mean he's weak. His losses were decisive ones against low micarders/high fodder like Sam Fisher and Max Payne. Just tell me, do you really think a trailer + the GC Fire Emblem games have what it takes to put someone over the fodder line? Because if you don't, then Duke and Gordon were both below it last year. His one win was a 57% against Phoenix Wright. I seriously doubt anything that's a midcarder doesn't at least 60-40 Phoenix. He'll beat Balthier easily just because (yes I said just, I'd have some trouble picking Gordon to beat Balthier 1v1) the format is kind to him, but Scorpion has no troubles at all winning that four pack. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 4:10:37 PM | message detail |
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Ike was never in a trailer. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| G0EMONIMPACT | Posted 9/20/2008 4:12:11 PM | message detail |
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Duke has Balls of ****ing Steel. Of course thats gonna beat crappy angel wing picture Kefka. --- holy crap, you used an apostrophe to make a word plural at least 3 times in that post. that's like cryptonite to me if I was batman - Bako Ikporamee |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/20/2008 4:12:50 PM | message detail |
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His losses were decisive ones against low micarders/high fodder like Sam Fisher and Max Payne. All that was Pre HL2. Ever since HL2 Gordon has looked at least a low midcarder. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| M80TheWolf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:13:56 PM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Duke would be winning today's match if his pic were a pair of steel balls. --- wish fulfillment every day |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 4:14:41 PM | message detail |
| Duke looked good in the first round, then terrible in the second. Seeing as how his second round performance was a lot more in line with what we'd already seen of him, it made sense to take that as his actual value and assume the first round was some sort of wonky PC SFF making Ike look stronger than he actually was. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:18:25 PM | message detail |
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All that was Pre HL2. Ever since HL2 Gordon has looked at least a low midcarder. Bingo. Everything before the Gordon/Leon match is completely outdated. Gordon looked respectable against Leon and Sora. He didn't get 60% against Phoenix (still got 58%) because B8 really backed Phoenix hard, and a hell of a lot of people outside board 8 still believed in GFNW, so they had Phoenix in there bracket. Duke went and beat that Gordon in round 1 last year. In my mind, that was enough to put Duke over someone like Kefka and Tommy Vercetti/Niko. And before someone says it, you can't use Duke/Gordon/Sonic/Sub Zero against Duke. Sonic/Sub Zero are stronger already, and Gordon had The Orange Box released 4 days before this match. Duke performed as well as he did during the first round, just he was facing three new, stronger characters. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:19:30 PM | message detail |
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Duke looked good in the first round, then terrible in the second.
Seeing as how his second round performance was a lot more in line with
what we'd already seen of him, it made sense to take that as his actual
value and assume the first round was some sort of wonky PC SFF making
Ike look stronger than he actually was. Which is completely wrong. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 4:20:33 PM | message detail |
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Duke is okay against midcarders like these characters, but is going to falter when he hits someone people really care about. He has a chance of going to R3, but once he gets there Link is going to slaughter him. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:22:45 PM | message detail |
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Duke is okay against midcarders like these characters, but is going to falter when he hits someone people really care about. Where does this come from? Why is accepting Duke as having his own fanbase so hard for people in this topic? There is nothing showing that he loses his support in these types of contests to "stronger competition", unless you mean the way every other weaker character loses their "support" to stronger characters. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:23:26 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of which, would anyone take Duke > Marth in this poll if Niko were removed? Not me. And by the way, for the record (mostly because Ulti is here) I still say Duke pickers just got lucky today. Guy is not stronger than Kefka with a normal pic unless he boosted for some strange reason. No. Duke beat Gordon, and I would easily pick Gordon over Kefka (and Tommy, therefore Niko as well). That's all there is to it. This. Duke looked good in the first round, then terrible in the second. Seeing as how his second round performance was a lot more in line with what we'd already seen of him, it made sense to take that as his actual value and assume the first round was some sort of wonky PC SFF making Ike look stronger than he actually was. I think it's better to attribute it to Duke having a disloyal fanbase that will desert him against decent competition. But as I said before, Duke does not need his fanbase to be loyal against this caliber of opponents. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 4:23:30 PM | message detail |
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Or, the far more likely explanation than some silly HL2 monster boost
is that Gordon simply has a non-linear fanbase that makes him
overperform against stronger opponents. (Leon, Sora) Put Gordon against
high fodder 1v1 and he's back to his old tricks, I guarantee it. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 4:23:45 PM | message detail |
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Why is accepting Duke as having his own fanbase so hard for people
in this topic? There is nothing showing that he loses his support in
these types of contests to "stronger competition" He beat Gordon when there was weaker competition in the poll. He then got killed by Gordon when there was stronger competition in the poll. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/20/2008 4:24:19 PM | message detail |
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He beat Gordon when there was weaker competition in the poll. He
then got killed by Gordon when there was stronger competition in the
poll. This. Duke is NOT the kind of character with a dedicated fanbase. --- Bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=10 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:26:54 PM | message detail |
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He beat Gordon when there was weaker competition in the poll. He then got killed by Gordon when there was stronger competition in the poll. So if Snake places second to Mario in these contests, then gets MGS4 between rounds, and finishes ahead of him next round, it's because Mario was facing "stronger competition"? Please, help me with that. Yes I'm going to extremes to prove my point, but it's the same thing. Gordon had a strong PC fanbase, then grew his fanbase significantly because Orange Box just came out, not only for PC, but for PS3 and 360. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 4:27:51 PM | message detail |
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And while Duke did get crushed in round 2 last year, I think part of it
was Gordon Freeman abusing his non-linear fanbase against stronger
competition. I think Duke will be weaker in the face of strong
competition, but not so much that he has no hope of winning anything.
He still has a small chance to escape round 3 with all the other SFF
flying around (though Zack/Zidane are far more likely). --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/20/2008 4:28:02 PM | message detail |
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No nonlinear fanbase is going to let Gordon get more on Leon S. Kennedy
than he did on Sam Fisher and Max frikking Payne. Gordon got a HL2
boost, that is undeniable. How much it really did for him is hard to
say. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:28:14 PM | message detail |
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How about instead of believing all this crap, how about thinking Duke as a regular character in this contest. You'd realize that everything that has happened the past two contests makes perfect sense. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| M80TheWolf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:29:00 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I don't know what people aren't getting about Soul's argument.
There's no way that the Orange Box didn't boost Gordon. Yet all anyone
can keep repeating ad naseum is "B-B-But he went from BEATING Gordon,
to getting eaten alive by him!" i mean come on, at least come up with something to counter his point instead of just saying the same damn thing over and over. --- hungry like the wolf |
| smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:29:21 PM | message detail |
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There is nothing showing that he loses his support in these types of contests to "stronger competition" http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2893 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2910 --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:29:47 PM | message detail |
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Gordon Freeman is a joke unless you take his values through Sora or Leon Kennedy to mean something. I do, plus Half-Life 2 is one of the most respected games ever. --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Final Fantasy 4 DS, Spore ~*ST*~ |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 4:29:57 PM | message detail |
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You'd realize that everything that has happened the past two contests makes perfect sense. I would sig this if I didn't have an unhealthy love of my fantabulous lyrical sig! --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:31:17 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I don't know what people aren't getting about Soul's argument.
There's no way that the Orange Box didn't boost Gordon. Yet all anyone
can keep repeating ad naseum is "B-B-But he went from BEATING Gordon,
to getting eaten alive by him!" Because that's quite the boost. I'm not saying you're wrong, but rather that the Orange Box theory and the Duke-has-a-weak-fanbase theory can coexist and even complement each other. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 4:32:34 PM | message detail |
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I do, plus Half-Life 2 is one of the most respected games ever Well, take your Gordon at 25% on BL then, and know that Gordon should beat Scorpion if this is at all true. Then come back to me when Scorpion beats him by at least 10% --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| Tohoya | Posted 9/20/2008 4:35:41 PM | message detail |
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Why do people keep referring to the WCC as a joke character? People
legitimately loved that thing, even if it was an inanimate object. You
couldn't sell very many plushies of the L-Block, but people love the
companion cube enough to make their own damn plushies. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| M80TheWolf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:36:25 PM | message detail |
| The thing is, Gordon didn't just get a new game.
It was the first time console gamers could experience his game and
realize who he is. It's far more significant than another character who
has had a bunch of games already appearing on a system, and then
getting a new game on the same system, or new generation of said
system. It makes sense for Gordon's boost to be pretty damn substantial
when he's being introduced to a totally new audience, as well as still
catering to his old. --- hungry like the wolf |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/20/2008 4:37:26 PM | message detail |
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And yeah the Orange Box introduced Gordon to the rapidly growing 360 fanbase of the site. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| M80TheWolf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:38:02 PM | message detail |
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Why is it being referred to as a joke character? Because it is. It's not a character, it's an object and last I checked this was the character battle. Not shape battle, or inanimate object battle. --- hungry like the wolf |
| smitelf | Posted 9/20/2008 4:39:39 PM | message detail |
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WCC is not a character. It didn't even talk! It would be like saying
that a spiky-haired JRPG character who just went ... for the entire
game is a "character"! ...*runs* --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 4:48:17 PM | message detail |
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Well, take your Gordon at 25% on BL then, and know that Gordon should beat Scorpion if this is at all true. Then come back to me when Scorpion beats him by at least 10% Like I said, I could see Gordon outright beating Scorpion in their match. I would sig this if I didn't have an unhealthy love of my fantabulous lyrical sig! Heh. I meant between Duke/Gordon, but go ahead and sig it! I don't remember the last time I got sigged. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Tohoya | Posted 9/20/2008 5:00:52 PM | message detail |
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He beat Gordon when there was weaker competition in the poll. He
then got killed by Gordon when there was stronger competition in the
poll. The Orange Box was released inbetween those two matches. I point you to Mario/Cloud 2k2 for proof of how effective something like that could be. I think people are underestimating the effect of the Orange Box on Gordon. We all know that this site is highly biased against PC games, and Orange Box was the first runaway hit of the HL franchise on consoles. It was certainly my first exposure to the series, mostly because of the awesomeness of Portal. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| Malakuko | Posted 9/20/2008 5:02:51 PM | message detail |
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I have Scorpion > Balthier and I believe in it! --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer We rockin' stilettos, ho! |
| Tohoya | Posted 9/20/2008 5:07:47 PM | message detail |
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Why is it being referred to as a joke character? Because it is.
It's not a character, it's an object and last I checked this was the
character battle. Not shape battle, or inanimate object battle. Whether or not it actually counts as a character, I think people expecting the bulk of the cube's strength to come from "hehe, it's an inanimate object! *votes*" are mistaken. WCC has legitimate fans of its own, independent of the people who will vote for jokes, and I think that's where the majority of its contest strength will lie. In any case, Valve managed to infuse more meaning and attachment to that cube in fifteen minutes than Nintendo has in the entirety of Link's existence. --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 5:09:11 PM | message detail |
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WCC has legitimate fans of its own, independent of the people who
will vote for jokes, and I think that's where the majority of its
contest strength will lie. Yes, but those fans are fans of the Cube because it's a joke. So it's kind of the same thing. In any case, Valve managed to infuse more meaning and attachment to that cube in fifteen minutes than Nintendo has in the entirety of Link's existence. That, I'll agree with. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 5:15:58 PM | message detail |
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Like I said, I could see Gordon outright beating Scorpion in their match. And I think you're a delusional HL fanboy, but we'll see. If Gordon comes at all close to beating Scorpion, I'll concede the point, but for now I expect around a 10% deficit between Gordon and Scorp, with Balthier being the bigger upset threat. --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 5:23:16 PM | message detail |
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I'm not delusional because I think Gordon is being severely underrated
because he got embarrassed before Half-Life 2 and The Orange Box came
out. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Lopen | Posted 9/20/2008 5:27:41 PM | message detail |
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We'll see. If Scorpion beats Gordon in a landslide, will you at least consider that my theory is correct, and Gordon is not a solid midcarder? --- Master Chief's quest to defeat Cloud: Round 1 - Raiden/Kain/Other Dude. Target: 48%. GAME FUEL. Believe |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 5:33:49 PM | message detail |
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I have Scorpion > Balthier and I believe in it! lol --- *is Dranze* Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko - Bracket: Marth > Niko - Vote: Kefka (4/8) |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 5:35:46 PM | message detail |
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If Scorpion beats Gordon in a landslide, will you at least consider
that my theory is correct, and Gordon is not a solid midcarder? If there's no outside circumstances or completely horrible pictures for either, then yes I will. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2008 5:44:34 PM | message detail |
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Gordon was strong in 2k5 and 2k6 due to HL2 recency. In 2k7 he dropped off a bit back to the fodder line and boosted back up again after Orange Box. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2008 5:46:11 PM | message detail |
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you cant really say that through four-ways, like, at all. --- *is Dranze* Duke/Kefka/Marth/Niko - Bracket: Marth > Niko - Vote: Kefka (4/8) |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/20/2008 5:48:45 PM | message detail |
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KamikazePotato (#294) That's a pretty sweet picture I have to say. --- I made a living on time trial blowing myself off to cross the finish line at ludicrous speed. -transience |
| Link The Hylian | Posted 9/20/2008 5:53:47 PM | message detail |
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"I do, plus Half-Life 2 is one of the most respected games ever" The only thing really greay about Half Life 2 is its physics engine. The original Half Life is better by far. --- "The PS2 had 12,000,000 pre orders. To give you an idea of how many people that is that's over half of the world population." - DifferentialEquation |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 5:55:33 PM | message detail |
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In 2k7 he dropped off a bit back to the fodder line and boosted back up again after Orange Box. Did he drop, or did Duke prove his strength? Judging by this match, I'd say Gordon didn't drop. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 5:58:38 PM | message detail |
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The only thing really greay about Half Life 2 is its physics engine. The original Half Life is better by far. lol Half-Life 2 has a great physics engine, true, but it does so much more. Gameplay is amazing (like HL1). The amount of detail put into the game really makes the immersion fantastic. The side characters are very well developed (excluding G-Man, but I guess the mystery surrounding him is a great way to make him interesting). The Gravity Gun is the best weapon in any game. The music is awesome too. HL2 just crushes HL1 in every way possible, except for nostalgia, which is the only plus HL1 has on HL2. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/20/2008 6:03:06 PM | message detail |
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anyone else notice that neither leon, transience, or hm posted in here --- Arsenal FC 4-0-1 Pts: 12 Pos: Top of the league, where we belong. character battle vii ; final fantasy vii. do you believe |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/20/2008 6:05:13 PM | message detail |
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HM and Leon has. I don't remember any of tranny's alts so I'm not sure if he has, but he's probably lurking. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/20/2008 6:05:32 PM | message detail |
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Sorry if I'm a bit late on this subject, but Soul and EC, you guys do
make an excellent point about Gordon getting The Orange Box (which I do
think would result in a boost and which I plum forgot about) between
matches. However, the extent
of his boost was still pretty massive, and here's where I agree with
smite in that it was probably a combination of a Gordon boost and
Duke's disloyal base. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Link The Hylian | Posted 9/20/2008 6:07:19 PM | message detail |
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"HL2 just crushes HL1 in every way possible, except for nostalgia, which is the only plus HL1 has on HL2." To each his own I guess. I've played both and Half Life 2s gameplay is nowhere near as good, or as fun. --- "The PS2 had 12,000,000 pre orders. To give you an idea of how many people that is that's over half of the world population." - DifferentialEquation |
