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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 568

ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/19/2008 9:59:56 PM | message detail
I don't see how comparing Altair to Niko is delusional. They are going to be drawing from the same fanbase, and honestly Assassin's Creed wasn't as well received as GTAIV, nor is it even close to as popular.

And I've got confidence in this because I think Lucario's going to destroy some people next round, after Marth destroys people this round. I think whatever Brawl vote Marth DOES get will get him through, and Lucario's still gonna have Pokemon support to get him in first.

And I usually don't agree with Turtle, but he's spot on about the Tales characters. Why that filth continues to get 5 characters in, and we still don't get Proto Man or Terry Bogard is just disgusting.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/19/2008 10:00:11 PM | message detail
To say nothing of Altair (of which comparisons to Niko are at this point frankly delusional).

Don't mean this condescendingly (I haven't played either game), but can you please tell me why? Both are main characters from hyped 360/PS3 games that sold well but failed to live up to expectations among the gaming community at large. Altair has the cooler look, but Niko obviously has the bigger sales pool and the GTA name behind him. I still think comparisons are pretty valid, and if Niko finishes last here, I'll be giving Altair less respect for tomorrow.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/19/2008 10:00:17 PM | message detail
You really expect Mr. 'Cool guy I vote for when I don't care about anyone else' to stand up to Link?


Thats not SSF though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:00:22 PM | message detail
Well, why isn't Altair comparable to Niko?

I would like to know this too. Both are main characters of hyped games that received mixed reviews and who the fanbase doesn't really care about.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/19/2008 10:01:13 PM | message detail
WE'RE CALLING YOU OUT KH
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/19/2008 10:01:26 PM | message detail
RESPECTFULLY
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:01:40 PM | message detail
Dammit Marth, everytime I see Niko jump in percent like that I think he has gained, but really it's you losing percent like it's out of style.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 4/8 Today's Match: Marth > Niko
ZFS | Posted 9/19/2008 10:01:42 PM | message detail
Man, complainin' about 5 Tales characters and then saying where's Terry and Protoman!

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:02:07 PM | message detail
Your kind isn't welcome round these here parts

You know

People who play Shadow the Hedgehog to 100% completion

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Seginustemple | Posted 9/19/2008 10:02:30 PM | message detail
I got Duke>Altair next round

it's a thing
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2008 10:02:48 PM | message detail
Well, why isn't Altair comparable to Niko?

They're totally different games, different fanbases, about the only thing that they have in common is that they're new and casual - but as for what the true dealbreaker will be in terms of contest strength? Design.
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paraboxx | Posted 9/19/2008 10:03:22 PM | message detail
Why that filth continues to get 5 characters in, and we still don't get Proto Man or Terry Bogard is just disgusting.

Okay, I'm a huge Terry Bogard fan, but he's had his chance. Proto Man getting snubbed again is way worse.
transience | Posted 9/19/2008 10:03:35 PM | message detail
who knew that downloadable content from a downloadable game that's intentionally trying to look like it's from 1988 would bring up such a debate
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/19/2008 10:05:00 PM | message detail
We dont really know how strong Proto really is(and we got people saying X is as strong as MM? wtf). I cant seem to recall any match he had that wasnt getting SSFbliterated by Zero.

And Its Terry "The Godslayer" Bogard. He deserves to be in EVERYTHING.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/19/2008 10:05:27 PM | message detail
ballgame

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/19/2008 10:05:28 PM | message detail
*crushed*
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:05:36 PM | message detail
Duke > Kefka
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:05:52 PM | message detail
Jade Curtiss
Luke
Lloyd
Kratos Aurion
...

Who's the 5th?
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Character Battle 2008: Points 4/8 Today's Match: Marth > Niko
ffmasterjose | Posted 9/19/2008 10:06:12 PM | message detail
Duke overtakes Kefka by 5 votes! Noooo
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/19/2008 10:06:17 PM | message detail
As terrible as this is, now I'm wondering whether a Guilty Gear character would do better or worse than Jade Curtiss. >_>
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/19/2008 10:06:19 PM | message detail
Marth died there. Kefka and Duke both cut him >_>
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ZFS | Posted 9/19/2008 10:06:31 PM | message detail
duke suckem

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charmander6000 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:06:39 PM | message detail
Duke takes the lead finally.
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Character Battle 2008: Points 4/8 Today's Match: Marth > Niko
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2008 10:07:03 PM | message detail
Altair has the cooler look, but Niko obviously has the bigger sales pool and the GTA name behind him.

The GTA name is a burden on characters here. There's little doubt GTA has a much higher playrate than the WC series here, but antivotes contributed significantly (though were not the primary cause) of its downfall. Obviously antivotes don't mean as much here, but people are generally apathetic on GTA here despite how much it's played.

Or, to put it another way - seriously, Vercetti and CJ sucking it up for years didn't spell Altair's downfall, and Niko certainly doesn't do that either.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/19/2008 10:07:21 PM | message detail

Who's the 5th?


i dunno, BT said 5 so I figured he knew. >.>

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/19/2008 10:07:29 PM | message detail
FAR better than Jade, GG characters have at least Some form of a fanbase.

Clearly, we got to rally Chipp next year. He's the only GG character I see that never gets hate.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/19/2008 10:07:32 PM | message detail
kicking ass and chewing bubblegum

where is your night vote now kefka
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Kegger9 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:07:45 PM | message detail
Duke cut Marth

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/19/2008 10:08:10 PM | message detail
Kefka showing day vote tendencies here, faltering right after the Power Hour. Duke and Niko are in for trouble come morning, I think.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/19/2008 10:08:21 PM | message detail
Well if you say so KH.

But honestly, the better Altair does, the better that looks for Luario > Marth next round in my eyes. I think Duke and Altair are going to be each other's main detriments.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:08:27 PM | message detail
Blow it out your ass Kefka


They're totally different games, different fanbases, about the only thing that they have in common is that they're new and casual - but as for what the true dealbreaker will be in terms of contest strength? Design.

Design is the only point that matters. Different games/fanbases don't mean as much for casual characters. And I think Altair's design is somewhat canceled out by his game's poorer sales.

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/19/2008 10:08:27 PM | message detail
duke suckem

And when you do eventually play Forever, you'll be all over him for no reason.

Just like Kefka.
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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:09:10 PM | message detail
ExTha, Soul, FFD, anyone else who joins us in the Marth > Duke club...

^5s all around gentlemen.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:09:27 PM | message detail
All our trends are going out of whack.
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/19/2008 10:09:35 PM | message detail
i dunno, BT said 5 so I figured he knew. >.>

Well, there was Sheena back in the female bracket and Zelos last year...?

FAR better than Jade, GG characters have at least Some form of a fanbase.

Clearly, we got to rally Chipp next year. He's the only GG character I see that never gets hate.


I'd be down with that. I just remember trying to get the board to agree on one to rally on and getting nothing like a consensus. ;_;
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transience | Posted 9/19/2008 10:09:57 PM | message detail
And I think Altair's design is somewhat canceled out by his game's poorer sales.

I'm guessing you don't know Assassin's Creed's sales, unless you're comparing it directly to GTA4 (to which ALL games look bad in comparison)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:11:05 PM | message detail
I'm guessing you don't know Assassin's Creed's sales, unless you're comparing it directly to GTA4 (to which ALL games look bad in comparison)

Well yeah. I think AC sold almost 2 million, but that's nothing compared to GTAIV, Gears of War, ect.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:11:07 PM | message detail
Duke just doubled his lead!

...to ten votes!
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Kegger9 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:11:28 PM | message detail
Altair will probably get pic based votes


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JaKyL25 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:12:14 PM | message detail
Didn't someone say recently that Altair was unlikeable for the first 95% of the game?
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Kegger9 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:12:58 PM | message detail
I wonder how the poll would be different if Duke as listed 4th and Niko first


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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:13:07 PM | message detail
That was me, and it was debunked by someone else saying that he reverts to merely being a character no one cares about after the initial douchebaggery.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:14:04 PM | message detail
*checks*

...Assassin's Creed sold 4 million on the 360 alone? Damn. Did not know that.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/19/2008 10:14:26 PM | message detail
Well yeah. I think AC sold almost 2 million, but that's nothing compared to GTAIV, Gears of War, ect.

Which means that comparing ANY game to GTA in sales and positing that said character should be weaker because of the sales is a fallacy, at least here.

And don't forget that we've seen this before - Ryu Hayabusa is a perfect example of a character whose strength is not representative at ALL of the strength of his games. You take away his badass ninja design, and you take a huge portion of his strength with it.

If Altair bombs, so be it, but it will be the biggest surprise of the contest to me thus far (whoever thought that statement could have so much gravity four matches in!).
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/19/2008 10:14:27 PM | message detail
Well yeah. I think AC sold almost 2 million, but that's nothing compared to GTAIV, Gears of War, ect.

AC sold over 6 million worldwide. About 3 million of that in America.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/19/2008 10:14:30 PM | message detail
I wonder how the poll would be different if Duke as listed 4th and Niko first

That only works if all the characters are unknown.
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Starion | Posted 9/19/2008 10:14:35 PM | message detail
According to Vgchartz, 2.59 M in the US and 3.90 M worldwide (including the US). I assume this pools together all the different versions. But we all know that sales isn't everything in this contest. Not sure if reviews matter more but Assassin's Creed did have mediocre reviews.

Back to the poll, man Niko just isn't getting any traction around here. Any chance of at least a small turnaround in the morning?
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/19/2008 10:15:27 PM | message detail
unlikeable is a rather opinionated term when used on characters.

Most of the newer SNOIC characters are unlikeable(to me), but that much fan art and blah blah blah on the Internet say otherwise 0_o
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/19/2008 10:15:42 PM | message detail
If Altair bombs, so be it, but it will be the biggest surprise of the contest to me thus far (whoever thought that statement could have so much gravity four matches in!).

SHADOOOOOOW

More than that?

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Gaddswell | Posted 9/19/2008 10:16:04 PM | message detail
Yikes, Duke's gonna pull away fast here.
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