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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 567

KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 9:53:40 PM | message detail
If Shadow manages to come back, you all die. Oh, and Ooh, soft

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html

~*aprosenf's poll script*~
http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms, Percentages For Dummies, and Odd Matches*~
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 9:55:08 PM | message detail
Oh, and obligatory WTF LUKE DOING SO WELL

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Gaddswell | Posted 9/18/2008 9:55:51 PM | message detail
aww yeah luke
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/18/2008 9:56:20 PM | message detail
This is so hilarious.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/18/2008 9:57:26 PM | message detail
Duke's all out of bubblegum. He's off to kick some terrorist butt!

Goodbye Niko! Goodbye Kefka!
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/18/2008 9:58:12 PM | message detail
XD Luke may actually CUT Shadow's lead on him sometime through the night.
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/18/2008 9:59:34 PM | message detail
Why is it I find Luke gaining percentage more amusing than Shadow sucking? >.>
staplefish | Posted 9/18/2008 10:00:33 PM | message detail
...and shadow loses more %
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 10:02:55 PM | message detail
Here are some updates. Left side is Link, right side is Shadow.

60.51% 15.95%
62.21% 12.81%
58.50% 15.08%
63.40% 10.46

So yeah, anyone denying Link isn't SFFing Shadow is off their gourd

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Yesmar | Posted 9/18/2008 10:03:59 PM | message detail
Comments about Shadow last year copied from the last topic:

He lost updates to PYRAMID HEAD.

And Pyramid Head did a hell of a lot better against Auron than he was expected to. Did Auron do terrible for doing substantially worse on Pyramid Head than Bowser did?

If Shadow's performance on Auron was terrible than so was Tails', Scorpion's, Alucard's and Ness's.
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ZFS | Posted 9/18/2008 10:05:08 PM | message detail
down 400 votes to zidane remember when he got 45% on mario

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 10:05:35 PM | message detail
Honestly if Chief hasn't lost a few steps since last year, I can't see Sonic pulling it out against him.

Looks like Sandbag may punk out Sonic long before Chief gets the chance!
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/18/2008 10:05:55 PM | message detail
Wario > Shadow IMO

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Ngamer64 | Posted 9/18/2008 10:06:08 PM | message detail
From 44.90% directly against Mario to, if this result holds, 19.84% directly against Link.

That's got to be the greatest fall from grace in Contest history, right?

(Or at least it will be until Magus gets booted by a bag of sand.)

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/18/2008 10:06:13 PM | message detail
zidane to beat mario
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/18/2008 10:06:15 PM | message detail
What a bunch of lol 2k3 was

I bet Link gets 90% on Magus today or something
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 10:06:35 PM | message detail
I like the cut of your jib Kleenex

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/18/2008 10:06:37 PM | message detail
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#497 Link - Nintendo
Shadow - Sega

All the evidence I need for no SFF. And before it is mentioned, Link/MM is as outdated as Mario/Shadow.


Mega Man/Yoshi?
Mario/Zero?
Luigi/Zero?
Sonic/Luigi?
Yoshi/Knuckles/Rikku/Vaan?
Link/Crono/Vincent/Zero?

This is why I didn't take X over Mario.
paraboxx | Posted 9/18/2008 10:06:56 PM | message detail
This can't be backlash from Sonic '06, can it?
Or would that have happened last year? (...or did it happen last year?)
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 10:08:16 PM | message detail
So does anyone still have faith left in Shadow?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:06 PM | message detail
Shadow is dead. If anything, this gives me faith in an Auron > Sandbag > Shadow result in Round 2.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:09 PM | message detail
This is backlash from the Sonic franchise not putting out a good game since Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Gaddswell | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:15 PM | message detail
So, Tidus / Magus / Shadow / DK

Tidus > DK?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:24 PM | message detail
The one time Shadow tried to make a comeback we got his epic failure of a comeback against Tidus. This is over.
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Big Bob | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:34 PM | message detail
And tomorrow we have another match where anything can go wrong.

At least after that the Fighting/Steel pokemon will save our brackets.

...Right?
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:39 PM | message detail
Auron > Sandbag > Sonic

STOP TRYING TO TURN ALL ZOMBIE, SHADOW. STAY DEAD AND GONE.
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voltch | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:42 PM | message detail
where's my day vote!
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wavedash101 | Posted 9/18/2008 10:09:59 PM | message detail
FF9 remake, SE

Do it
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paraboxx | Posted 9/18/2008 10:10:21 PM | message detail
...god, I think I would have to pick Tidus/DK.

That is really depressing.
_Hogger_ | Posted 9/18/2008 10:10:30 PM | message detail
I picked Mario > Knuckles

I'm screwed -sigh-
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 10:11:07 PM | message detail
So what does Dissidia do for Zidane? He's the character most likely to benefit from it.

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ZFS | Posted 9/18/2008 10:11:12 PM | message detail
STOP TRYING TO TURN ALL ZOMBIE, SHADOW. STAY DEAD AND GONE.

just a blue shadow

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/18/2008 10:11:36 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm regretting that. I started off with Zelda, but changed when I realized Knuckles never loses in the first round. Another tradition that will be destroyed.
Lopen | Posted 9/18/2008 10:11:49 PM | message detail
Why is it I find Luke gaining percentage more amusing than Shadow sucking? >.>

You and me both, man... I'm looking forward to the opportunity to say LUKE CUT!
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__hiei__ | Posted 9/18/2008 10:11:57 PM | message detail
This is backlash from the Sonic franchise not putting out a good game since Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

both adventure games are better than any of the 2d stuff from sonic.
smitelf | Posted 9/18/2008 10:12:03 PM | message detail
Shadow was at... Tidus level in 2k4, and look at what happened to Tidus. Then we didn't see him for three years. That's plenty of room to fall, and then there's Sonic characters stinking up the joint in this format.

Yeah, we didn't see Shadow for three years...but we did see him last year, and as others have pointed out, he did appear to do better than Zidane then. And yes, Sonic characters suck in this format - they also sucked last year, so that couldn't have been the cause of a sharp decline for Shadow.

Is it possible for a character to fall this far in a year? Yes, sure. But it seems less likely to me than Link being an SFF machine. Shadow has always gotten his popularity from looking like Sonic (obviously it's not for his good games *cough*), and the Sonic series as a whole, especially Sonic himself, have grown ever more entwined with Nintendo of late. So when faced with the choice of believing this to be the result of explainable SFF or a random drop for no particular reason, I elect to think this is the former.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 9/18/2008 10:12:35 PM | message detail
DK>TIdus
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CP724 | Posted 9/18/2008 10:13:30 PM | message detail
Auron>Sonic
luke | Posted 9/18/2008 10:13:36 PM | message detail
heh, if Link is SFFing the hell out of Shadow, I wonder if Shadow hurt Bowser in round 2.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/18/2008 10:13:43 PM | message detail
Unless they make him not be a stupid wiener, absolutely nothing.
ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/18/2008 10:13:50 PM | message detail
why is no one answering my question about Wario > Shadow?!?!?

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ffmasterjose | Posted 9/18/2008 10:14:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, my Mario > Knuckles upset pick is looking more and more like ass with each update.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 9/18/2008 10:14:17 PM | message detail

Gaddswell (#023)
So, Tidus / Magus / Shadow / DK

Tidus > DK?


It would cause a black hole of contest suck that would devour the world.

Thank god we have the Cube to plug in said hole.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 10:15:18 PM | message detail
Assuming Zidane gains 30 votes every update, and that there are still 4 more hours until Shadow is able to stem the bleeding, we're looking at a 1900+ lead by morning.

=)

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_Hogger_ | Posted 9/18/2008 10:16:06 PM | message detail
1900... I think that is too much to overcome with Link there.
HaRRicH | Posted 9/18/2008 10:16:07 PM | message detail
Points Shadow has cost me to date:

Wario > Shadow (on my birthday, too!)
Tidus > Shadow
Auron > Shadow (R2)
Link > Shadow?
Link > Shadow...?
Link > Shadow......?

God, I hate your contest history Shadow.
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luke | Posted 9/18/2008 10:16:25 PM | message detail
these two are pretty similar to Frog/Axel, except Zidane probably doesn't die at 4am like Frog does. I'd be curious to see Zidane's hourlies if anyone's got Guy's spreadsheet available.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/18/2008 10:17:06 PM | message detail
60.51% 15.95%
58.50% 15.08%

Nah, Shadow just sucks.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/18/2008 10:17:12 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis
Posted 9/19/2008 1:13:50 AM
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#041 why is no one answering my question about Wario > Shadow?!?!?


We're in the middle of one scrub loser match with another 2 coming in the next 2 days. We don't want to think of these hypothetical suck fests.
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2008 10:17:19 PM | message detail
Zidane's other matches involved Crono and two other PSX characters strong with the night vote. Can't be trusted far, really.

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