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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 565

MnMZero | Posted 9/18/2008 5:56:14 AM | message detail
I was just looking at that myself... I forget how contest season gets. Now all we need is a close match with 10 topics about each and every single update/lead change.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 5:57:39 AM | message detail
i cant see all this coming from Crisis Core. maybe i'm just cynical about voters, but i think this has more to do with Zack himself than it does with him getting a PSP game.

i mean would you take any handheld character at all over Wario?
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Bracket: Wario > Zack | Vote: Wario
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/18/2008 5:59:47 AM | message detail
Cecil Harvey 17.36% 8651
Jade Curtiss 6.27% 3125
Wario 33.16% 16521
Zack Fair 43.2% 21525
TOTAL VOTES 49822

Jade's dropping....
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/18/2008 6:02:40 AM | message detail
The thing about Crisis Core is that, while I feel like it's where Zack is drawing a lot of the love from, it supplements FFVII. And yeah, he was only in that game for an optional five minutes, but it was a really interesting and memorable optional five minutes that Crisis Core expands on really well. So even though most of his character is in Crisis Core, if it didn't originate in FFVII it wouldn't mean anything. So it's hard to compare to other handheld characters.
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MnMZero | Posted 9/18/2008 6:06:59 AM | message detail
Yeah, remember Crisis Core wouldn't exist without FFVII so you can't really compare it to a standalone PSP game.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 9/18/2008 6:58:59 AM | message detail
Is Jade's two 7 vote updates a record low? I can't find anyone who's done worse. >__>

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Kegger9 | Posted 9/18/2008 7:11:24 AM | message detail
Kegger9
Posted 9/18/2008 1:03:09 AM
message detail I predict Zack's lead to be at 6000 by noon


Shouldn't be off by too much ^.^

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what ever i always new bruce wayne was batman anyway - ertyu
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/18/2008 7:12:11 AM | message detail
You know what, I take it back. I don't mind seeing the Tales characters in the contest. It's entertaining to watch them fail so completely and utterly. Really makes those Tales fanboys re-think their horrible opinions.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 7:14:34 AM | message detail
what do you mean by 'horrible opinions'?

i mean this is a popularity contest.
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Bracket: Wario > Zack | Vote: Wario
Xuxon | Posted 9/18/2008 7:15:34 AM | message detail
Is Jade's two 7 vote updates a record low? I can't find anyone who's done worse. >__>

Agent J had a 4 vote update, and two 6 vote updates.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/18/2008 7:16:42 AM | message detail
not that it matters, because luke will break that record tomorrow.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/18/2008 7:20:43 AM | message detail
Well, I think this match is a combination of things. One being that Nintendo voters really don't care for Wario much. You could kind of see it last year, but this is undeniable proof. The other being that I underestimated Zack and CC obviously, but I'd really like to see him in Round 2 before I say how much I underestimated him.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was just Wario being a turd instead of Zack being super special awesome.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/18/2008 7:34:59 AM | message detail
brawlFEAR my ass
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2008 7:40:29 AM | message detail
I called Zack winning this one through pure apathy toward the other three, and I don't think I'm too far off. I'm glad to see he's doing well. I was really afraid he was going to bomb. I'm hesitant to call him the favorite against Shadow because, again, his competition is pretty crappy. At the very least, based on last year's fourpack with Jade, Zack is stronger than Balthier and Ada Wong, and Wario's about on their level. Maybe that's kinda stretching it, but still.

Also, I'm surprised Cecil is doing so badly. If Zack and Cecil are hindering each other right now, watch out, Shadow!

For the record, Zack is getting 87.33% on Jade, 71.39% on Cecil (Whoo, Tidus level!), and 56.59% on Wario.

Wario is getting 84.10% on Jade and 65.69% on Cecil.

Cecil is getting 73.42% on Jade.

Can't wait to see Luke at work tomorrow!
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Malakuko | Posted 9/18/2008 7:41:30 AM | message detail
I went to bed with Wario beating Zack by like 10 votes and wake up to this

holy ****

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Xuxon | Posted 9/18/2008 7:42:56 AM | message detail
luke will shatter all low voting records
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__Smurf__ | Posted 9/18/2008 7:43:30 AM | message detail
I think beforehand Shadow was the one to beat, I'd give Zack that title right now. But Shadow has a chance to impress before then, if he goes out and murders Zidane tomorrow I'll rethink that.

Incidentally anyone think that Zidane would top this division today?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 7:43:44 AM | message detail
It hasn't been brought up since the match started, but this is the first time in ten contests that a Nintendo entrant has not won the opening poll. Appropriately enough, it's Final Fantasy VII that ends the streak.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 7:43:56 AM | message detail
Wario on ADA WONG'S level? hell no.
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Bracket: Wario > Zack | Vote: Wario
Kegger9 | Posted 9/18/2008 7:45:07 AM | message detail
Zidane is weak weak weak

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what ever i always new bruce wayne was batman anyway - ertyu
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2008 7:45:30 AM | message detail
Also, it looks like FFIV has a bad day vote as well, though it doesn't quite to be as abysmal as FFVI's. Of course, that won't really show up until the after school vote.

Wario vs. Balthier: Who you got?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2008 7:46:33 AM | message detail
By the way, I think it's time for our first LOL Analysis Crew of the contest!

Go go HM!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 7:46:53 AM | message detail
honestly i will never take a brawl character below Ada Wong.
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Bracket: Wario > Zack | Vote: Wario
__Smurf__ | Posted 9/18/2008 7:49:22 AM | message detail
Zidane wasn't far off Ness last year, I'd assume Wario is a step below Ness as well. He lost to Meat Knight before brawl after all. >_>

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 7:51:21 AM | message detail
I think beforehand Shadow was the one to beat, I'd give Zack that title right now.

Same here. After a performance like this, it would take a major collapse for Zack not to move on, and apparently, FFVII really really really wants to make it clear that it doesn't collapse at anything. According to Leon, Zack gets ~56% on Mario in a standard match, and this is despite his being hindered by a 3-way voting split. Remove Jade and Cecile (especially Cecile), and I can easily picture Zack approach the low 60%s, which is almost what Shadow scored against Wario five years ago.

Now, keep in mind that in 2008 we have what is certainly a stronger Wario and a weaker Shadow than we did in 2003. Combining all those factors, you have Zack standing as a near-lock even if Link SFF doesn't hurt Shadow more, which is what many were banking on when they took Zack out of the division.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 7:52:32 AM | message detail
That would be ~56% on Wario didn't mean to get your hopes up there fellow ZackFAQers
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 9/18/2008 7:53:04 AM | message detail
GameZackers IMO
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 7:54:07 AM | message detail
i'd put Wario at least equal to Ness. you have to give him his Mario character props. in fact why would he be weaker than Peach?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/18/2008 7:55:01 AM | message detail
brawlFEAR my ass
You do realize Wario is the exception because he's terrible right?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/18/2008 7:57:42 AM | message detail
honestly i will never take a brawl character below Ada Wong.

not even nana?
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 9/18/2008 7:58:24 AM | message detail
I'd take Ada > Nana 75%-25%
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/18/2008 7:59:06 AM | message detail
You do realize Wario is the exception because he's terrible right?

keep telling yourself that
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Score: 0/0 Today's Pick: Zack Fair > Wario
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 7:59:10 AM | message detail
Yeah, I still think Marth is favored for the win two days from now. Wario would have had one hell of a time trying to equal his performance against DK last year, and Marth seems like he'd have a broader appeal to Nintendo fans, at least compared to fatass Wario, although that seems to be a given at this point.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 9/18/2008 8:00:56 AM | message detail
I'm interested to see how if at all being in Brawl will affect Shadow. It might sound like nothing but it's bringing him a new and crucially the core audience of gamefaqs which will certainly do no harm. Although boost or not it'll be difficult to exploit that with Wario and especially Link in the same poll.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2008 8:01:44 AM | message detail
According to Leon, Zack gets ~56% on Mario in a standard match

Zack = Sephiroth You heard it here first!

Also, I expressed concern about this when KP made the pic, but I'm wondering if Cecil isn't getting hurt by the picture. If you haven't played FFIV DS, you'll have a hard time recognizing who that is, especially since I doubt a lot of people realize "Harvey" is the last name.

Then again, I thought the last name "Fair" might hurt Zack, so maybe I'm just paranoid!
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Xuxon | Posted 9/18/2008 8:01:56 AM | message detail
marth and wario aren't in the same category really. marth gets literally all his strength from smash, while apparently by today, wario doesn't get much at all. in fact i think zack doing well proves marth could do well despite having no substance whatsoever.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/18/2008 8:04:43 AM | message detail
well not proves but you know what i mean
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/18/2008 8:07:28 AM | message detail
I'm worried about my Marth > Niko pick, though
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Score: 0/0 Today's Pick: Zack Fair > Wario
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2008 8:07:47 AM | message detail
Look at Marth against DK last year, and look at Wario against Fox and Captain Falcon last year. Tell me which looks more impressive.

Seriously, Fox is at DK's level at best. Wario doesn't take SFF well, and Marth seems to take it well. Then again, he WAS facing DK. Nevertheless, Marth has far more appeal to a casual voter than Wario does.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 9/18/2008 8:13:44 AM | message detail
Darn, Wario's toast. Zack ran away with it and never looked back.

At least he's not Balthier-strength and can very well actually tag along with Link in the Div Finals, to say the least. I was worried about that.

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H__RR____H | Posted 9/18/2008 8:15:35 AM | message detail
After catching up from last night, two things: I really hope Luke shatters some kind of record tomorrow after seeing Jade again today, and I'd take Wario > Balthier because I don't think Ada would beat Wario (at least not easily).


Here's a question: I know none of us are impressed with Cecil right now, but would Cecil be able to make a notably better match against Wario one-on-one? Zack's got ~43% right now that would probably favor Cecil and -- for what it's worth -- I would think Cecil would take more than half of Jade's ~6% too. I'm sure we'd all agree Wario still wins since he has a solid lead on him, but would Cecil be able to make a match out of it at all? At the least, despite Leonhart's earlier projections, I'm not 100% sure Wario breaks 60% on Cecil head-to-head right now.....
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Xuxon | Posted 9/18/2008 8:18:53 AM | message detail
wario breaks 60 i think. but it'd be close to 60 either way.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/18/2008 8:19:23 AM | message detail
^
Honestly, I really doubt it.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 8:20:05 AM | message detail
for what reason? did Cecil gain that much?
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Bracket: Wario > Zack | Vote: Wario
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2008 8:20:44 AM | message detail
I guess it depends on whether or not you think Zack and Cecil are LFFing each other, but that makes Zack look like he's stronger than Tidus, heh.

Also, I can't imagine Wario doubling anyone but really bad fodder because...well, it's Wario.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/18/2008 8:23:45 AM | message detail
By the way, let us not forget that Zack has already gotten one of the best pictures in contest history, but this is expected here on Zack's home website which is ZackFAQs of the GameZacks family of online media.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/18/2008 8:24:41 AM | message detail
yeah, but it's still a Brawl Mario character vs Cecil. doubling Cecil isnt exactly out of the question. Peach managed to break 60% on a character you could argue stronger than him.
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Bracket: Wario > Zack | Vote: Wario
H__RR____H | Posted 9/18/2008 8:25:56 AM | message detail
Look at Marth against DK last year, and look at Wario against Fox and Captain Falcon last year. Tell me which looks more impressive.

Seriously, Fox is at DK's level at best. Wario doesn't take SFF well, and Marth seems to take it well. Then again, he WAS facing DK. Nevertheless, Marth has far more appeal to a casual voter than Wario does.


About Fox/DK: I would take Fox over DK -- I figure he's both naturally stronger and doesn't get phased by SFF so easily. DK was destroyed by Mario before his big Mario-boost in 2k5 nearly as bad as Ness was in 2k5, plus he looked like he failed to SFF Marth much and was easily dismantled by Kirby. Fox has SFF'd Pikachu, pre-SSBB MK, and pre-SSBB Wario before (and I think he would still SFF MK/Wario this year). Though he did get destroyed by Mario last year, Sephiroth was also in the poll and it was the sprite round. He was also destroyed by Link in 2k3, but he still did almost as well against Link as DK against Mario. The SSB-fanbase will definitely side with Fox and I assume SF64 is stronger than any game DK has his name on.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 9/18/2008 8:29:38 AM | message detail
zack > link tbqh
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Zea_Destroyer | Posted 9/18/2008 8:29:46 AM | message detail
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