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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 3:28:45 PM | message detail
Well, to be fair CATS also uses an in game sprite. I don't think Angel Kefka looks very "sprite" like so I'm still somewhat confident it'll be used. ... hell, confident enough to change my bracket Kefka > Marth R1 let's do this.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/17/2008 3:29:18 PM | message detail
Cats only uses in game sprite pics cuz he has no official artwork cuz it was a budget game
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/17/2008 3:29:24 PM | message detail
how many characters do you know that possibly get votes from simply looking like a stronger character?

With Shadow it's part of his intrinsic strength, though he clearly subsists on more than a handful of "Sonic-proxy" votes (considering how terrible a character he is, it'd be a damn travesty if he didn't). Big Boss is probably the one character for whom we KNOW this is the case - the disparity between his R1 and R2 performances last year are about as incontrovertible as evidence gets in these things (unless someone wants to argue that SFF'd Pac-Man and Wander > Magus and Phoenix Wright).
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/17/2008 3:30:35 PM | message detail
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SFF_potential | Posted 9/17/2008 3:36:21 PM | message detail

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CATS finally wins a match!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/17/2008 3:37:07 PM | message detail
Heh, I'm still tweaking Division 1. Goes to show my level of confidence when I'm making eleventh hour changes that have nothing to do with the joke characters.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/17/2008 3:39:03 PM | message detail
i just changed division 1 like a half hour ago. i now have zack beating shadow and losing to kefka.

whyyyyy
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/17/2008 3:39:04 PM | message detail
I refuse to change things anymore. I am taking Marth > Duke, because I refuse to pick against the Duke, as I have balls of steel.

And everything else is staying the same, damnit.

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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 3:39:18 PM | message detail
Just changed to Kefka > Marth, entirely based on the possibility of angel pic.

Although if Kefka doesn't get it, I don't think I'm totally doomed anyway... it's always been a tossup to me without the pic. Kefka's being underrated here. I know he's a chronic disappointer but this match is... pretty damn weak.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/17/2008 3:40:12 PM | message detail
CATS finally wins a match!

Indeed, and we'll make it happen.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/17/2008 3:40:24 PM | message detail
How dare you call the Duke weak. I'll rip off your head and **** down your neck.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/17/2008 3:41:36 PM | message detail
I'm still expecting Marth to surge to a safe win and Duke and Niko to neutralize one another with their casualness, thus giving Kefka the edge.

Lettuce, though... and the possibility of things uglier still!
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SFF_potential | Posted 9/17/2008 3:41:58 PM | message detail
i haven't actually changed Division 1 since i first made my bracket
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/17/2008 3:42:42 PM | message detail
Marth's making me go batty over my Lucario > Altair round 2 pick. Altair had better not suck.

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Big Bob | Posted 9/17/2008 3:43:31 PM | message detail
Zack will bomb, MMX will bomb.
LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 3:44:15 PM | message detail
The Duke is weak. DUKEFEAR is a result of him owning everyone last year. I wasn't owned, and so am immune to his threats.

Cartwheels are stronger than anything he can dish out anyway.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/17/2008 3:48:28 PM | message detail
Zack will bomb

Zack can end up pretty weak and still make it through. He has two indispensable advantages after the first round: he'll be sharing the poll with Link, and he'll be sharing the poll with guys more susceptible to Link's massive SFF range. Link probably won't fall below 60% throughout his divisional matches; when you have three other characters fighting for such meager scraps, one of them can luck out to a second place finish and still suck.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/17/2008 3:52:31 PM | message detail
woo first match pic, looks like some of these mock-ups are going to be pretty close to the real thing

zack also got "his pic". time to see him live up to expectations!
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/17/2008 3:53:11 PM | message detail
well i just changed to Cloud > Link


somebody shoot me

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/17/2008 3:53:41 PM | message detail
Question: If Riku beats Leon in Round 1 does he beat both Dante and Leon in Round 2?

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/17/2008 3:56:28 PM | message detail
Zack will do fine. He'll get pretty far methinks.

X is being heavily overated, but will also get pretty far due to his path.
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cyko | Posted 9/17/2008 3:59:21 PM | message detail
There is entirely too little discussion about Kefka.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1419/match3x07792278rc6.png
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7660/3rdmatchalternatedt7.png

I get the feeling Bacon won't make any changes when the work is already done for him. I also get the feeling he won't use the second pic because it features an in-game sprite (don't think that's against the rules, but it's pretty uncommon for the first round all the same). Look at what we're left with.


upon realizing this, i quickly cropped and submitted a vastly superior Kefka pic. it's basically a zoomed in version of this pic:

http://www.finalfantasytr.com/artwork/artworkler/Diger/ff6-cg-art/kefka1.jpg



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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/17/2008 4:00:39 PM | message detail
And Leonhart had a good point in his topic, which is that a lot of Zelda's votes in a 1v1 come from name recognition more than people actually being Zelda fans

Which is the same thing I read from one of Ulti's analyses.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/17/2008 4:00:51 PM | message detail
i've never seen that pic before. that isn't official art is it?
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SFF_potential | Posted 9/17/2008 4:02:32 PM | message detail
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therealmnm | Posted 9/17/2008 4:02:44 PM | message detail
Okay, I never thought about this, but how the hell did Pikachu gain so much percentage last year going from Leon/Tidus/Vivi to Leon/Dante/Amaterasu? Sure Amaterasu is a lot weaker than any of the first 3, but Dante is also a lot stronger... I know Leon/Dante LFF and all, but Pikachu got almost 10% more than the last round...
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cyko | Posted 9/17/2008 4:02:46 PM | message detail
that is indeed official Kefka art. it was in the bonus content of the PSX version.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/17/2008 4:03:53 PM | message detail
Okay, I never thought about this, but how the hell did Pikachu gain so much percentage last year going from Leon/Tidus/Vivi to Leon/Dante/Amaterasu? Sure Amaterasu is a lot weaker than any of the first 3, but Dante is also a lot stronger... I know Leon/Dante LFF and all, but Pikachu got almost 10% more than the last round...

He stood out like a sore thumb. The other three are all Capcom characters and Leon and Dante are very similar.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 9/17/2008 4:04:39 PM | message detail
Okay, I never thought about this, but how the hell did Pikachu gain so much percentage last year going from Leon/Tidus/Vivi to Leon/Dante/Amaterasu? Sure Amaterasu is a lot weaker than any of the first 3, but Dante is also a lot stronger... I know Leon/Dante LFF and all, but Pikachu got almost 10% more than the last round...

Triple Capcom SFF maybe?
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/17/2008 4:06:16 PM | message detail
It's official art, but I dunno how many people would recognize it as Kefka.

Although if Kefka doesn't get it, I don't think I'm totally doomed anyway... it's always been a tossup to me without the pic. Kefka's being underrated here. I know he's a chronic disappointer but this match is... pretty damn weak.

But he chronically disappointed to Marcus Fenix. I have to think the main character of GTA will get more recognition than Marcus Fenix, right?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/17/2008 4:06:45 PM | message detail
So... is anyone going to answer my question.

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therealmnm | Posted 9/17/2008 4:08:14 PM | message detail
Uh, I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as "Capcom" SFF. RE and DMC are very similar (the original DMC was supposed to be a RE game), so I can see those two fanbases overlapping, but I don't think Okami would overlap with those games simply for being Capcom. That's another story though. Back to Pikachu... shouldn't he have stuck out like a sore thumb in the previous round? Yeah, Leon isn't Square, but I'd think he'd be closer to that Square/Playstation fanbase than Pikachu...
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cyko | Posted 9/17/2008 4:09:52 PM | message detail
It's official art, but I dunno how many people would recognize it as Kefka.

*shrugs*

well, it can't possibly be any worse than those other "official artwork" pictures of Kefka.

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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 4:10:47 PM | message detail
I have to think the main character of GTA will get more recognition than Marcus Fenix, right?

*Shrug* Probably, though I think Marth and/or Duke would be great candidates to eat Marcus Fenix's casual vote if he were there last year meaning they might eat Niko's too.
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SFF_potential | Posted 9/17/2008 4:11:24 PM | message detail

Dilated Chemist (#220)
Question: If Riku beats Leon in Round 1 does he beat both Dante and Leon in Round 2?


After what Pikachu did last year, i wouldn't count it out, though Ramza will probably hold Riku back a little bit, so i would still have him in 2nd.
Dante should win easily in round 3 though.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 4:13:07 PM | message detail
RE and DMC are very similar (the original DMC was supposed to be a RE game)

I'm tired of hearing this, by the way. I mean, yeah, the "it was supposed to be a RE game" thing... but DMC has been changed SO MUCH since the time that it was supposed to be a RE game. They aren't really alike that much at all.

That being said they SFFed each other for SOME reason. So uhhh... I dunno. It still doesn't make sense to me, though.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/17/2008 4:15:23 PM | message detail
I remember being heavily criticized when I brought up the possibility of significant Dante/Leon SFF last year. Never before did I wish I was so, so wrong.

pikachu you son of a
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therealmnm | Posted 9/17/2008 4:15:40 PM | message detail
I'm tired of hearing this, by the way. I mean, yeah, the "it was supposed to be a RE game" thing... but DMC has been changed SO MUCH since the time that it was supposed to be a RE game. They aren't really alike that much at all.

That being said they SFFed each other for SOME reason. So uhhh... I dunno. It still doesn't make sense to me, though.


Well of course the games are different, but it's a fact that DMC was originally designed to be a RE game and they scrapped that and made it a standalone game (and the game sprouted off of that). And last year showed that there was a sharing of the fanbase, so I don't know what exactly you're trying to argue...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/17/2008 4:17:44 PM | message detail
so can Lucario possibly be stronger than Pikachu?
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 4:18:19 PM | message detail
I just think that in spite of DMC being originally based off of the RE games it still doesn't make sense to me why there'd be a big overlap, because I don't think they're alike at all. I mean, that's a reason that happens to work, but I just don't think it's the real reason for the overlap... rather a coincidence.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 4:19:53 PM | message detail
Obviously, none of this REALLY matters since it's clear they share a fanbase (or maybe Pikachu capitalized on droll pics for the two of them I suppose) but yeah. Just a peeve of mine <_<
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/17/2008 4:21:56 PM | message detail
The games appeal to a similar enough audience, but the characters themselves are even more alike. Confident, badass humanoids full of cool action scenes and dopey one-liners. Really, it's like comparing a Mario and Luigi that just branch across a few different consoles!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/17/2008 4:22:00 PM | message detail
Or Pikachu really was that strong <_<
therealmnm | Posted 9/17/2008 4:23:01 PM | message detail
Games don't have to be exactly alike to draw from the same fanbase. Resident Evil was a huge PS1 franchise. DMC was one of the first PS2 hits and had similar air to a RE game even if the gameplay was entirely different (bad camera angles FTL!). Why wouldn't it be capable of drawing from that fanbase?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/17/2008 4:23:31 PM | message detail
Or Pikachu really was that strong <_<

and got his ass handed by Leon the match before?
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/17/2008 4:24:01 PM | message detail
so can Lucario possibly be stronger than Pikachu?

I doubt that.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/17/2008 4:24:45 PM | message detail
Anyways, I brought this all up because I was wondering whether or not Pikachu might be strong enough to beat Alucard outright, but then I realized that he most likely will have Diddy and Ike (unless Arthas surprises) in that poll. So scratch that thought!
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/17/2008 4:24:54 PM | message detail
but the characters themselves are even more alike. Confident, badass humanoids full of cool action scenes and dopey one-liners. Really, it's like comparing a Mario and Luigi that just branch across a few different consoles!

This actually makes a lot more sense to me. Not sure why I didn't think of this. Regardless, I think the similarity of the games is overplayed, because I don't agree. I wouldn't expect Dante to SFF Jill for instance.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/17/2008 4:27:47 PM | message detail
Next question: Midna or Axel Steel, who takes 2nd behind crossdressing Cloud?

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/17/2008 4:28:27 PM | message detail
Midna.

I assume People who play Guitar Hero couldnt give 2 ****s about Axel.
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