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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:41:32 PM | message detail
Even if that's true, we're not just talking about the FE fanbase - we're talking about the FE fanbase that have played FE games featuring Ike or Marth in them. That narrows the relevant pool considerably, and thus lessens the impact on the outcome.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:42:57 PM | message detail
No one has played Marth's game. They're incredibly outdated and require an emulator + translation.

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Sir Basch | Posted 9/12/2008 1:44:12 PM | message detail
I have!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:45:13 PM | message detail
When I say no one I mean within reason, like 'no one has played Fantasy World Dizzy' even though we know Yahtzee has.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:45:32 PM | message detail
All the more limiting to the pool! So basically we're talking about the core fanbase of two B/C-list games here. Again, Ninty SFF is typically brutal - either way it goes it's only going to pad the lead or stem the deficit.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:46:56 PM | message detail
How is no one playing Marth's games limiting to Ike? I'm not quite getting that. >_>

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:47:00 PM | message detail
Not to mention you can make a very similar comparison with San Andreas and Carl Johnson...

GameFAQs is racist, so you can't make any comparisons with Carl.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:47:34 PM | message detail
And with that I'll change gears: on a scale of 1 to 10 how crazy is it to have Samus in the Finals? <_<
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:48:13 PM | message detail
8

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:49:24 PM | message detail
Good enough for me suck it down tranny all aboard the Samus train
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:50:12 PM | message detail
And with that I'll change gears: on a scale of 1 to 10 how crazy is it to have Samus in the Finals? <_<

10

I don't see how she could get past Link SFF if Mario couldn't, and if you're taking Samus to go with Link with Mario in the poll, that's pretty crazy too... either Mario and Link go to the finals or Link and someone non-Nintendo (MMX ^_^) go to the finals
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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 1:50:46 PM | message detail
what do I have to do with this
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:52:09 PM | message detail
By saying Ike's match was to be trusted stat/percentage wise is saying that Duke would break 40% on Leon. That's never going to happen.

Being the casual favorite in a poll of unrecognizable characters (Kind of...) is going to win you votes. That's the only reason Duke advanced and the EXACT reason why he bombed in round 2.

Aside from the fact that he has a natural talent for sucking.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:52:31 PM | message detail
I will be happy if it pans out. My bracket will be hurtin', but I've already set up my bracket so it goes kaboom by the second match, meaning I won't care by then.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:53:08 PM | message detail
I don't see how she could get past Link SFF if Mario couldn't

observe the awesomeness

Quarterfinals

Link
Zack
Mario
Mega Man X

Samus
Vincent
Crono
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Link
Zack
Samus
Vincent

what do I have to do with this

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ZFS | Posted 9/12/2008 1:54:53 PM | message detail
Lopen is that you

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:54:59 PM | message detail
Link>Zack>Mario/X

o_o

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/12/2008 1:55:58 PM | message detail
I'd take Vincent over Samus in that situation.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:56:27 PM | message detail
Don't doubt THE KING OF SFF he always returns on every even-numbered year imhhhho
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:56:50 PM | message detail
...Zack over Mario and X? O_o
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ZFS | Posted 9/12/2008 1:57:12 PM | message detail
sounds like someone has been drinking the black-haired cloud kool-aid a little too much imho

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:57:42 PM | message detail
This is literally what my bracket says

...

I was on the Analysis Crew for two years what's your excuse
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:57:52 PM | message detail
Well I suppose me banking on Link SFFing everyone except Zidane is hardly better

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ZFS | Posted 9/12/2008 1:58:11 PM | message detail
p.s. - do you have snake over cloud too

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:58:38 PM | message detail
p.s. - do you have snake over cloud too

It's like you're reading my mind argh
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:58:41 PM | message detail
By the way, KP and I have agreed that Zack is garbage who's only getting so far by riding Link's coattails out of the division.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/12/2008 2:00:53 PM | message detail
I'd take Vincent over Samus in that situation.

I actually had that exact pick (Link > Vincent > Samus > Zack) for a couple of days when the bracket first came out.....Link's sadly not that good at SFF.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/12/2008 2:01:52 PM | message detail
Meaning that Zack wouldn't get past Mario, not that Vincent wouldn't beat Samus.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 2:02:45 PM | message detail
Link's sadly not that good at SFF.

woah there

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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 2:03:00 PM | message detail
I'd rather lose a world record than whatever that was
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 2:04:53 PM | message detail
And I'd rather lose a war than win an election we all have our shortcomings
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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 2:13:34 PM | message detail
who needs foreign policy when you've got a kid with down syndrome
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/12/2008 3:24:38 PM | message detail
Wait people actually think that Marth > Ike?

It's an arguable match, but I think Ike would take it at the end of the day.
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greatone10 | Posted 9/12/2008 3:34:27 PM | message detail
Marth was in Melee. Ike was in Path of Radiance. Tell me which one means more.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/12/2008 3:37:22 PM | message detail
http://people.rit.edu/~zmb0386/marth.png
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 4:02:04 PM | message detail
Marth was in Melee. Ike was in Path of Radiance. Tell me which one means more.

Radiant Dawn + Brawl favoritism.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2008 4:44:46 PM | message detail
I do want to ask what makes the SSB series have such a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately effect to think Marth's fans from SSBM that also like SSBB will suddenly give up on Marth here.

I don't think anyone's getting what I'm trying to say. I'm just trying to say that, once you get into the Smash fanbase, it's basically level footing, especially if you make it into Brawl. I don't see any inherent advantages for Marth being in Melee. What exactly about him being in both games gives him a boost? He's almost exactly the same in both games. I don't see anyone who didn't really care for him in Melee suddenly really liking him in Brawl. He hasn't changed much.

Marth was in Melee. Ike was in Path of Radiance. Tell me which one means more.

Path of Radiance because Ike being in Brawl now makes Marth being in Melee a moot point, in my opinion.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 4:48:03 PM | message detail
I don't see anyone who didn't really care for him in Melee suddenly really liking him in Brawl. He hasn't changed much.

people who haven't played both games? this is the biggest reason why both melee and brawl would have any impact
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2008 5:00:06 PM | message detail
If you're talking about people who've only played Brawl, Ike's got the advantage.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/12/2008 5:17:34 PM | message detail
More people have played Melee than Brawl. Despite that, Marth's performance last year >>>>>>>>>> Ike's performance last year. Ike was beaten soundly by Duke Nukem. Obviously his Fire Emblem games have done nothing for him, and his Smash strength is going to be sapped by a more popular character
Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 5:19:22 PM | message detail
for people who have only played brawl, yes ike would have the advantage, but the point is marth gains some new fans as well. more importantly, people who have only played melee outnumber people who have played FE9/10.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 5:21:23 PM | message detail
what an argument
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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 5:22:05 PM | message detail
(we'd be better off arguing over Marth vs. Lucario, or Ike vs. Pikachu vs. Diddy [Kratos])
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Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 5:24:16 PM | message detail
Ike vs. Pikachu vs. Diddy [Kratos]

ike loses. ike vs arthas is the one worth arguing.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/12/2008 5:25:15 PM | message detail
Okay, let's do Marth/Lucario then. Why is Lucario considered an instant win there, according to the BOP (and even to place first)? I should think Marth would get most of the Brawl fanbase split, but maybe I'm out of touch: is Lucario really that popular in Smash or did Pokemon just put the fear of God in us last time around?
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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 5:27:51 PM | message detail
seemed like the latter to me. I was really surprised there, but when I sat down and thought about it it made sense. well, it made sense that he could top Marth -- he shouldn't take first place. that should go to the winner of Kefka/Niko - if Duke is there then I have no damn idea.
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/12/2008 5:28:47 PM | message detail
Well, the way I figured it, Marth's fanbase is pretty much only Smash, while Lucario has Smash + Pokemon. And looking at what Pikachu did last year, Pokefear leads me to believe that, while Marth is a more popular Smash character than Lucario, a lot of Smash fans are also going to be Pokemon fans, and I'm not really up on the more recent Pokemon games, but I'm assuming there's a reason Lucario was the choice for the "new Mewtwo" in Brawl in the first place.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/12/2008 5:33:34 PM | message detail
But how big is Lucario in Pokemon? I picked up Diamond on a whim but got bored of it pretty quickly, and I never saw him or even heard anything about him.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/12/2008 5:35:01 PM | message detail
I had a big topic a few days ago about this - apparently he's the 'face' of 4th-gen Pokemon (as in, all its advertising), the star of a new movie, and the "cool" Pokemon a la Mewtwo. I don't know crap about Pokemon, but isn't Mewtwo just an end-game Pokemon as well?
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satai_delenn | Posted 9/12/2008 5:36:40 PM | message detail
Yeah, in R/B Mewtwo only showed up right near the end, and I don't remember the game very well but I think he might even have been optional. Mewtwo got his awesome mostly from the movie, I think.
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