GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 562
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/12/2008 5:00:59 AM | message detail |
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and i dont see why Roxas would be stronger than Axel. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 5:15:54 AM | message detail |
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i don't think roxas would be stronger either, but you have to admit
it's possible. roxas did get in again this year while axel didn't. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| transience | Posted 9/12/2008 6:00:03 AM | message detail |
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heh, I've had Cloud > Link since day 2. --- xyzzy "Man...tranny gets bored, the rest of us suffer." -satai |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/12/2008 7:48:16 AM | message detail |
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you'd take Roxas over Alucard but Axel cant even beat Frog? give me a break. I'd take Roxas over Alucard? --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, Steve! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/12/2008 8:25:58 AM | message detail |
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well if you'd take him over pre-MGS4 Snake, you'd be thinking Roxas can match Alucard at the least. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| voltch | Posted 9/12/2008 8:45:00 AM | message detail |
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what's 45% on riku worth? i reckon roxas can hit that range but i'm not sure where hat puts him. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 9:39:46 AM | message detail |
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heh, I've had Cloud > Link since day 2. the first couple times i brought it up everyone either ignored me or told me i was crazy. i've had it since day one, though briefly had link winning. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 10:31:11 AM | message detail |
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Roxas just scares me because of the Sora proxy potential, and the fact
we didn't get anything resembling a read on him last year. Liquid should throttle him, and if his name wasn't anagram+x I wouldn't even contemplate it, but I'm still thinking about taking him there. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2008 10:34:44 AM | message detail |
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Sora proxy? Tons of KH fans consider
Roxas to be just the part of the game which is lame as all get up. I
wouldn't worry about him being a Sora proxy. He has his fans and all,
but he certainly has his detractors among the fanbase as well. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/12/2008 10:38:37 AM | message detail |
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i reckon roxas can hit that range no. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 10:39:25 AM | message detail |
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I actually like Roxas, even though he's
the reason that I'll never play KH2 again. I can see where his
detractors come from as well, but it's hard for me to get away from the
fact that anyone who's played KH2 even a little is going to have played
as, and gotten to know, Roxas. It just depends on how much they liked
him from that - sure he got stomped by Riku, but Riku's the
fan-favorite - now Roxas has a chance to stand out. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/12/2008 10:49:03 AM | message detail |
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Lopen | Posted 9/12/2008 5:10:40 AM (#118) The better question is why on earth you have Duke Nukem advancing over Kefka. Also, with Marth taking Lucario's votes I'm not sure why you're so confident Lucario takes first. I have zero faith in Kefka doing anything, and I peg Marth this contest being as strong as pre-Brawl Ike -- the same character that couldn't beat Duke Nukem last year. It's almost a "Lucario by default" pick. ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Final Fantasy 4 DS, Spore |
| Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 10:52:13 AM | message detail |
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kefka finishing ahead of duke is about the only thing i'm sure of in
that match. if kefka doesn't place, it will be marth and niko --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2008 11:29:00 AM | message detail |
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You know, I haven't heard much talk about Altair. I actually think he
has a better chance of breaking through than Niko and Niko's at least
gathered a bit
of talk. Assassin's Creed may not be the most critically acclaimed game
out there, but it definitely had to be one of the most well-marketed
games of the year. Most PS3 and 360 owners will know who Altair is or
at least know him as the "Assassin's Creed" guy. He certainly does have
a distinct look as well. Him making the second round is a given, and
granted Niko doesn't make it into that match, with Marth and Lucario
potentially being there to split votes, if Altair gets any bit of
backing, he could actually slip by to the next round. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| Xuxon | Posted 9/12/2008 11:32:16 AM | message detail |
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it's not just enough for the lucario/marth split though, he needs to
beat either kefka or niko. most people don't see this happening, for
good reason. --- DQVIII LLG - level 1/6/10/19, before Captain Crow Brawl FC: 0344-9611-6716 |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2008 11:35:18 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2867 Beating Kefka isn't exactly impossible for a new character. Assassin's Creed certainly isn't Gears of War, but the game doesn't exactly need to be for the character to get some kind of backing. It's not like AC didn't sell well or anything either. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| Lopen | Posted 9/12/2008 11:38:35 AM | message detail |
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I have zero faith in Kefka doing anything You should have zero faith in The Duke doing anything. Like him or not, Kefka beating Pac-Man is more impressive than anything The Duke has ever done. Last year was not an impressive match... it was The Duke winning because the competition was just that weak. Take it from someone who actually picked Duke > Gordon Freeman. Also I'd say Marth = pre-brawl Ike is kinda underrating Marth. Put Ike in Marth's position last year and I don't think he does nearly as well. 20% against Kratos, a SFFing DK, and fodder isn't that bad at all. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Latest RS&D Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=45247247 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2008 11:40:49 AM | message detail |
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It just depends on how much they liked him from that - sure he got stomped by Riku, but Riku's the fan-favorite Roxas didn't really do that badly, all things considered. I'm not sure why people seem to naturally assume Axel is stronger than he is anyway. Because Axel was in CoM? I've seriously considered having Roxas over Liquid, but I can't bring myself to do it. And I'm one of those Roxas fans! He's better than Sora, for sure! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2008 11:43:14 AM | message detail |
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Also I'd say Marth = pre-brawl Ike is kinda underrating Marth. Wait, someone actually suggested that? Huh??? That makes entirely no sense whatsoever... --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/12/2008 11:50:45 AM | message detail |
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Marth and Ike differences are probably negligible at best but i assume Ulti means that he's at the level at the very least.. which doesnt make any sense but i guess it's more of a guide than anything. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/12/2008 11:53:15 AM | message detail |
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Highly popular SSBM character = a character that's from a GC Fire
Emblem game and had a promo in a Brawl video? Nah, it makes no sense.
POST Brawl Ike = Marth, I'll buy, but not pre... especially considering
how they both did last year. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Latest RS&D Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=45247247 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2008 11:54:09 AM | message detail |
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I'd say Ike has an advantage over Marth now because he actually has
games people in America have widely played. I know someone's going to
pull the "Marth's in SSBM!" card here, but I really think that, as long
as you're in Brawl, that's all that matters as far as Smash is
concerned. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2008 11:57:57 AM | message detail |
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So being in one of the site's most popular games and having 7 years
since the release of said game to gain a fanbase means nothing since
Brawl is out now? --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2008 11:59:51 AM | message detail |
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I doubt that there's some sort of pile-on effect for Marth when it
comes to something like that. I just don't see why it matters that he
was in Melee when Brawl is probably more popular. I think it cancels
out that advantage. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| Lopen | Posted 9/12/2008 12:01:53 PM | message detail |
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Believe it or not not everybody on this
site has a Wii. And of course there are the people who didn't really
take to Brawl but liked Melee. Melee should not be wrote off. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Latest RS&D Topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=45247247 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/12/2008 12:09:11 PM | message detail |
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Marth/Ike might be negligible now, but
last year? Noooooo. This is comparing SSBM to FE:PoR and
SSBB-online-hype (not even a trailer). I would argue Marth looked
stronger last year too, despite DK. People talk about Ike's match as if
barely getting third is impressive; honestly, his four-way can make a
case of being the weakest four-way last year (its main competition is Ada/Balthier/Frank/Jade) and it doesn't help Ike's case that Duke and Gordon probably hurt each other... ...Ike was nothing last year. This year should be different for him, but Marth was logically stronger last year. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2008 12:10:58 PM | message detail |
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I didn't say anything about last year. Ike has every reason to be just
as strong as Marth, if not stronger, now that Brawl is out. He's a
casual friendly character, and he stars in multiple Fire Emblem games
Stateside. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/12/2008 12:29:48 PM | message detail |
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I'm with ya on that, I'm just addressing the idea of Marth = Ike last year. That's not happening. Ike could beat Marth, but I'll take Marth head-to-head. I do want to ask what makes the SSB series have such a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately effect to think Marth's fans from SSBM that also like SSBB will suddenly give up on Marth here. Have we seen similar cases of this happening before? I can't think of any, personally, especially none with such high playrates and favoritism. I know Ike has two console FE games now, but Marth put FE on the map and neither FE game has shown any sign of worthwhile strength here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2245 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2988 It's nice that it did what it did and characters =/= games, but the SSBM/B fabases will matter much much more and also run over a lot of the FE fanbase. It'll help Ike, credit given, but I don't think SSBB automatically runs over everything SSBM has...and Marth is still well-liked in SSBB, too. It wouldn't be an easy win for either one though. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Yesmar | Posted 9/12/2008 12:40:10 PM | message detail |
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The one thing that worries me about comparing Brawl characters from
this year to the last, is that I question how much of the game's
current fanbase was already built in last year. Sure the game is huge,
but how do we know how many *new* fans the game actually brought in? Based on what's happened to Snake in recent years, Brawl's built in fanbase on this site is already huge, and I wouldn't be surprised if people like Ike, MetaKnight, and Snake (albeit he as MGS4 as well) don't boost as much as people expect them to. More than any other game I've ever seen, the fanbase for this game was already there years before the game was even released and they were willing to vote for Brawl and its characters regardless of the quality of release (Not that I'm saying anything on the quality of the game.) It's not like Balthier or Midna or Fenix who had to rely on how well their games hit to determine their popularity. I honestly believe that a lot of Smash fans are ready to monolithically vote for these characters no matter what, even when all they had on them was hype, and since the fanbase remains somewhat static some of these characters might get limited boosts. Oh, and here's my simple logical progression for why Niko *should* (Although I've been these contests too long to guarantee anything) beat Kefka: GTA IV > Gears of War Main Character of Gears of War > Kefka Main Character of GTA IV's personality >= Main Character of Gears of War's personality Main Character of GTA IV> Kefka It just seems like Niko should be the obvious pick and anything else is just overthinking it. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 12:47:17 PM | message detail |
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GTA IV > Gears of War I think this is where things get a bit sketchy for your thought processes. GTA's a very fickle entity to put stock into from what I've seen. Not to mention you can make a very similar comparison with San Andreas and Carl Johnson... As for the SSBB thing, would anyone here NOT take Ike to win if he were placed in the same fourpack this year as he was in last year's? I don't doubt that the Brawl fanbase is largely already built into this site's DNA, but even if 75% of it knew that, say, Meta Knight was in the game prior to release, that's still 25% of the fanbase he has to grow with. Not to mention the impact of favoritism within the actual game (I'd expect big things from MK this year if there weren't an L-Block in the way). --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/12/2008 12:48:35 PM | message detail |
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Also, about what mnm was saying about Altair: I think he's interesting,
but there's not a lot of room for him to do the unexpected. He's gonna
have Lucario in both of his match, so if he's like the Pokemon last
contest then not even Marth is going to slow him down much until Link.
Marth was able to hold up against DK fairly well last year so he
wouldn't be out of the running for second place. Kefka should still do
well enough if he makes the second round since Altair isn't likely to
be on par with Fenix, though there is space between them...and if Duke
or Niko oust Kefka in the first round, that's all the more difficult
for Altair, especially if it's Niko since GTA4 outdoes AC in pretty
much everything that matters. Altair would need to rely on Marth >
Kefka and that he can do better against Kefka than Niko...which should
prove to be difficult for him. Second place is too far-fetched for me to see Altair do it. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Sir Basch | Posted 9/12/2008 12:54:28 PM | message detail |
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Chris decides to say hi for the for the first time in a year because he hates you all Let's go over the list of stuff I've seen on the last page. 1. Cloud > Link is hilariously bad. Hilariously. 2. Zack is going to crash and burn 3. Sora Proxy? What in the ****! 4. I laugh at both Marth and Ike. --- Achromatic The Cream of Cubs Fanboyism |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/12/2008 12:58:24 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, MK got screwed. I think he could have caused a lot more controversy if he would been where Guybrush or Wander is. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:11:26 PM | message detail |
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Taking Marth over Ike on 1 on1 is stupid. I'm not even debating that or even considering it. It's just plain idiotic. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:14:54 PM | message detail |
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Cloud > Link is entirely reasonable, and I think likely, if Mario
does make the finals. I have a feeling he wouldn't hold up nearly as
well as he did last year, as Nintendo fans would realize they needed to
rally around Link, but if he does do as well as last year, Cloud wins
easily fairly. Give Sephiroth Vincent's votes, and Seph is up about 5%
on Link- replace Seph with Cloud and it becomes a larger gap. Put Snake
into the mix, and Link catches up a bit- but Cloud only got around 55%
of Snake's votes in the BR, and post-Brawl this may be even less. Link
more or less has to SFF Mario harder than last year to win that final. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:20:41 PM | message detail |
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Taking Marth over Ike on 1 on1 is stupid. I'm not even debating that or even considering it. It's just plain idiotic. What's up fanboyism blinders I mean sure I have the same opinion on Samus > Snake this year but at least I'll debate that horrible opinion --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Sir Basch | Posted 9/12/2008 1:21:20 PM | message detail |
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There is one general principle that guides me in these contests, that holds me in most storms not named L-Block. Link is ****ing Link. --- Achromatic The Cream of Cubs Fanboyism |
| Sir Basch | Posted 9/12/2008 1:22:19 PM | message detail |
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see all I heard, by the way, red sox guy, is blah blah blah. You punch
in all these numbers in theory and I just have to stop you. Link is ****ing Link. --- Achromatic The Cream of Cubs Fanboyism |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:22:32 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I overrate the characters I like, but I admit it when I do. Marth
over Ike has almost no ground at all. You have to assume that Melee is
much more significant than Brawl, that Ike isn't a Brawl favorite and
liked more than Marth, that the FE games are worth nothing, ect. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:25:26 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and these polls that were used to illustrate FE weakness? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2245 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2988 I actually thought FE did decently there. Or is getting blown out by Resident Evil 4 and Super Mario Galaxy that bad now? --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:30:05 PM | message detail |
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I have no opinion on Marth v Ike in terms of the final outcome, but
taking Marth over Ike 1v1 is merely the product of believing the Smash
fanbase prefers him over Ike - everything else is secondary, only
relevant for indirect strength (same reason I believe Marth and/or Ike
would smash Ness even if the kid was stronger indirectly thanks to EB
or whatever). Do I believe that Ike's favoritism in Brawl is a
significant factor in such a matchup? Yes. Do I believe that completely
overshadows the fact that Marth held that same level of prestige in
Melee for years and has a great Brawl presence that can't be
discounted? Absolutely not. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/12/2008 1:32:15 PM | message detail |
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I actually have a better record for my bracket than Link in Link/Cloud
matches (probably pure luck), but Link isn't invincible- he's lost 2
contests out of 6. I don't think Mario will escape the Nintendo
SFF-fest in the semifinals though, so Link should be safe from Cloud.
As for the earlier discussion on Cloud/Crono, I think Crono would hold
up just fine- his game did. But no, the connection between Cloud/Crono
is not anywhere near close enough, and Crono nowhere near strong
enough, to vault Snake into second, especially with Link in the poll. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:32:39 PM | message detail |
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...And you're completely discounting the FE fanbase. Yeah, it's not big, but completely discounting it? --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Yesmar | Posted 9/12/2008 1:34:30 PM | message detail |
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I think this is where things get a bit sketchy for your thought
processes. GTA's a very fickle entity to put stock into from what I've
seen. Not to mention you can make a very similar comparison with San
Andreas and Carl Johnson... And I would tentatively take 2005 CJ over 2007 Kefka. As for the SSBB thing, would anyone here NOT take Ike to win if he were placed in the same fourpack this year as he was in last year's? I think SSB characters will get a boost. Just not as big as some people might be saying. And I would take Ike to win that fourpack this year, since the difference between the three was very slim, and I think either Duke or Gordon's performance was a fluke. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2008 1:35:50 PM | message detail |
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...And you're completely discounting the FE fanbase. Yeah, it's not big, but completely discounting it? I'm of the belief that whoever wins on the Smash pecking order is going to create enough of a SFF gap that the FE fanbase preference isn't going to alter the final outcome in the end. Now, if the gap in Smash preference is close enough to make it a 50/50 match? (doubtful) Yeah, then the FE fanbase plays kingmaker. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Yesmar | Posted 9/12/2008 1:36:12 PM | message detail |
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Umm....Kinda of ignore part of the last line of my post. I think Ike
would still win, but Gordon's performance last year being a fluke
probably wouldn't be to Ike's advantage. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/12/2008 1:36:39 PM | message detail |
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What the hell is with this discussion today? Duke advancing? Marth being weaker than Ike? We saw Duke's true colours last year in the second round when a post Orange Box GF beat the crap out of him. Duke is crap, and there's no way Ike was stronger last year than Marth is any year. I'm not one to promote BRAWLFEAR, but I feel as though Marth winning that match (and beating Lucario the next round) is a foregone conclusion. The real question is what happens between Kefka and Niko, and who will take second in the round 2 match, Kefka/Niko/Lucario/Altair We have 3 contest newbies, with the clear strongest of the bunch being sapped by Marth and the other 2 having valid arguments for being above OR below Kefka. Not to mention Kefka himself who looked not so bad last year. Right now I have Marth > Niko, Lucario > Altair and Marth > Niko, but those 3 matches can go any which way. As a matter of fact, aside from Link coming first in every match, all of division 1 is very questionable and up in the air. |
| Sir Basch | Posted 9/12/2008 1:37:51 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon are Pokemon. Lucario > Niko for me. I am going for some simple hax logic here, tbh. --- Achromatic The Cream of Cubs Fanboyism |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:39:32 PM | message detail |
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I'm of the belief that whoever wins on the Smash pecking order is
going to create enough of a SFF gap that the FE fanbase preference
isn't going to alter the final outcome in the end. Now, if the gap in
Smash preference is close enough to make it a 50/50 match? (doubtful)
Yeah, then the FE fanbase plays kingmaker. Eh, and I still think that the FE fanbase is being underrated. They're more B-list games than C-list like everyone here seems to assume. Or somewhere in between. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/12/2008 1:40:31 PM | message detail |
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Gordon vs. Ike 1 on 1 would actually be a good match, I think. Ike has boosted, Gordon has boosted. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
