GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 562
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 7:28:36 PM | message detail |
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one more week !! ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Ulti and MMX's Contest Site (some offensive language)*~ http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/ ~*TRE's poll listing (every poll!)*~ http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html ~*aprosenf's poll script*~ http://web.mit.edu/adamrose/Public/allpolls.txt ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms, Percentages For Dummies, and Odd Matches*~ http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/10/2008 8:20:55 PM | message detail |
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One more week, indeed. ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 4 DS, Spore |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 8:30:14 PM | message detail |
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Another week?! ...gotta boycott again. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 8:34:01 PM | message detail |
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Onto a more serious issue, with Pikachu/Dante/Leon, was it unanimous in
the belief that Dante/leon brutalized each other or was the idea that
in-game Pikachu helped a lot (or a combination)? If it was more about
Pika's pic (or even just quite a bit), does that help Mewtwo against
Yoshi at all? I'm practically certain Yoshi wins against Mewtwo should
they face against Cloud and Squall, but I wonder how the pics may
affect them. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 9/10/2008 8:35:18 PM | message detail |
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Seeing as I apparently have to do an analysis of it... Fei/Knuckles/Mario/Zelda Thoughts? As easy as we think? --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 8:37:35 PM | message detail |
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Dante/Leon more than anything, I'd say. The pic probably didn't hurt,
but I doubt it made that much of a difference. Can't see a Mewtwo
sprite being all that different than regular Mewtwo either, not to the
point where Yoshi needs to worry about losing. --- let's mosey |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 8:43:55 PM | message detail |
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We've seen Mega Man smash Yoshi into oblivion before yet fail to SFF
Yoshi anywhere near close enough for Knuckles to beat him last
year...and, while Mario > Mega Man, Zelda > Yoshi and I don't
think Mario could SFF Zelda like MM did Yoshi. All of that doesn't necessarily mean much, but I like Zelda's odds based on that. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/10/2008 8:52:26 PM | message detail |
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Nintendo fans who have played games from the Mario series and the Zelda series = almost all of them. Nintendo fans who have played Mega Man and Mario series = not nearly as much. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 8:53:55 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi holds up strong to Mario for whatever reason. Mewtwo won't be any
trouble. Mewtwo will do pretty good, but yeah, third is probably the
best he can do. --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 9:01:31 PM | message detail |
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True, but Zelda will have to do quite a bit worse. Mario likely will SFF her because of that, but still: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2895 Fei and KOS-MOS should be somewhat-similar and Mario > MM. Knuckles is still in the poll, too. We also figure Zelda > Yoshi one-on-one...so the question becomes whether or not Mario would SFF Zelda by 8+%. It's possible since Mario had SMG since last year and we don't know how well she'll hold up to him one-on-one or in this format, but I still like her for this. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:06:06 PM | message detail |
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I can't see Zelda avoiding getting destroyed here. Mario's not somebody
you have to worry about dishing out SFF hard. He's going to get nearly
all the Nintendo votes there. All I need to see on that one is the way
Link mauled Zelda - Bidoof finished well ahead of her. It won't be as
extreme, but it's hard for me to see Zelda holding up. --- let's mosey |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:07:39 PM | message detail |
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Mario ain't Link, yo. if Zelda can get 45% on Samus and 38% on Mega
Man, she probably isn't going to get torn to pieces by Mario. she'll do
worse, yeah, but she won't get decimated like she did against Link.
that's just not fair. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:08:21 PM | message detail |
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Comparing Mario to Samus and Mega Man when it comes to SFF isn't exactly fair either! --- let's mosey |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 9:10:34 PM | message detail |
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Bidoof's votes weren't going to budge for anybody and Mario won't do anything like Link did. SFF, yes, but nothing
like Link did. Mario's not that strong and doesn't share the LoZ series
with her. Bring up Samus if you like, but the situations are still
different. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/10/2008 9:10:34 PM | message detail |
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Comparing Mario to Samus and Mega Man when it comes to SFF isn't exactly fair either! http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1753 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2121 Not much difference there! --- Mustache...and green... |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:10:53 PM | message detail |
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"it's Mario" is so 2005! Zelda 39.25% 42329 Mega Man 60.75% 65528 TOTAL VOTES 107857 Mega Man 68.08% 63395 Yoshi 31.92% 29719 TOTAL VOTES 93114 hmm --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:11:31 PM | message detail |
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And I can't see a four-way poll being kind to her with Mario there
either. Different scenario than a one-on-one - where I would expect
Mario to have no problems rocking her. Mario's no slouch when it comes to dishing out SFF. He may be not quite on par with Link, but he still made Samus look silly. --- let's mosey |
| WalrusJump | Posted 9/10/2008 9:17:07 PM | message detail |
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I refuse to change my Mario>Zelda pick. Because it's Zelda. And it's Knuckles. Knux could get SFFed by Mario too. --- Well..looks like I'm gonna have to be *** - SDR |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:17:57 PM | message detail |
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holy zelda respect no thanks ! --- let's mosey |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:18:47 PM | message detail |
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hatin' Zelda better in Brawl suck it Mario --- xyzzy |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/10/2008 9:20:46 PM | message detail |
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Is being rocked one on one the only precondition? Cause I'm pretty sure Sephiroth would destroy Tifa one on one. --- Mustache...and green... |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/10/2008 9:24:38 PM | message detail |
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And that's why Zelda and Tifa are going to get destroyed where's the argument here --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/10/2008 9:26:27 PM | message detail |
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The argument is for being consistent! Either have Mario > Knux and
Seph > Kratos or the other way around, not some weird mixture of
both. --- Mustache...and green... |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/10/2008 9:28:36 PM | message detail |
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I've got Zelda. Knuckles was simply too disappointing last year, and
unlike Zelda, he didn't have a convenient excuse. The echidna will also
have to deal with a Mario fanbase split; it won't be as big as the one
between Mario and Zelda, but it'll still be there. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/10/2008 9:28:38 PM | message detail |
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Well now you've just guaranteed that one of the two is going to happen and one of them isn't DAMN YOU IRONY Consistency is all I ask immortality is all I seek --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MadGamer_11 | Posted 9/10/2008 9:28:59 PM | message detail |
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Luigi/Liquid Snake/Roxas? I have right now Luigi>Liquid.. The more think about it the more I want to put Roxas down and then Roxas to advance again because of the Bowser/Luigi SFF..... Maybe that's a little crazy I duno what yall think? --- "To be forgotten is worse than death"-Freya FFIX Super Smash Bros Brawl Code: 2105 8311 6321 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:29:30 PM | message detail |
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Well, I'm just saying be it one-on-one or in a multi-poll I think Mario
wrecks her. I think Zelda and Tifa are two different cases - we all
know why Zelda gets her votes. You stick her up against the Nintendo
guy and I have a hard time seeing her hold up. It's one thing to hold
up against Samus, or Mega Man back in 2003 (Mario / Mega Man - what
happens?), but it's another to manage against Mario. Maybe I'm overestimating what Mario can do. Man, Bidoof... --- let's mosey |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/10/2008 9:30:07 PM | message detail |
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Zelda had a convenient excuse? I must have forgotten what that was in the middle of her being such A LOSER last year <_< --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 9:30:35 PM | message detail |
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It's still worth pointing out we've rarely seen anything LoZ-related
fail against anything else Nintendo not named Link. LoZ held up to
SMB3, LoZ:OoT smoked SM64's **** and GE's soon after, and LoZ:WW
cleanly beat MP in 2k4. Ganon destroyed Gigyas (as expected) and
avoided much/any SFF against Samus in 2k5. LoZ man-handled Metroid and
Zelda held strong to Samus in 2k6. Ganon beat Luigi/Mudkip once and
nearly beat Luigi again despite his terrible sprite last year. We've
also seen Link SFF Mega Man, Zelda hold up to Mega Man, and LoZ
decimate MMX while Yoshi got destroyed by MM one-on-one before (though
it doesn't look like that came into play much last year and we need to
see more Mario-characters/MM matches for this). The only anomalies to
this trend of LoZ-dominance/resistance are Midna against Samus (not
surprising after R1) and Tingle against Luigi/Mudkip/Pit...and that's Tingle. I don't see Mario costing Zelda 8+% after all of that. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 9:36:04 PM | message detail |
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I will say there's a chance Zelda's just not so good in the format
though. Remember what Vincent did to her? R2 was expected to be a
blow-out for her, but it still wasn't good to see either. SSBB may help
just a touch, but that won't matter a lot against Mario who had SSBB,
MKW, and SMG in the past year. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:37:46 PM | message detail |
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don't compare it to Mario. compare it to Knuckles, who got... uh.... --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:39:46 PM | message detail |
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The argument is for being consistent! Either have Mario > Knux
and Seph > Kratos or the other way around, not some weird mixture of
both. It's pretty different, if you ask me. Tifa/Kratos is like Auron/Ryu - we've seen how close that was, close enough to take a chance with Tifa. With Zelda, it's asking for Nintendo SFF to not be as severe as it should be. There's reason to be suspect of Zelda's ability to hold up after what Link did to her. That's pretty unfair, admittedly (losin' to the Doof), but she doesn't need to get hit that hard for Knuckles to win. --- let's mosey |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:41:47 PM | message detail |
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if anything, Zelda/Knuckles is like
Auron/Cloud, two characters from the same company but different games.
Link/Zelda is more like Sephiroth/Tifa, sharing the same game. --- xyzzy |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/10/2008 9:44:36 PM | message detail |
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Oh, but she does need to get hit hard to lose to Knuckles. This is the
same Knuckles, remember, that very nearly lost to Rikku even with Vaan
hanging around in the poll (1100 votes!). Yoshi beat Knuckles easily,
twice, and he had Mega Man holding him back the second time, and I
think most of us will agree that Zelda is stronger than Yoshi, at least
in 1v1s. --- Mustache...and green... |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:46:27 PM | message detail |
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This is the same Knuckles, remember, that very nearly lost to Rikku even with Vaan hanging around in the poll (1100 votes!) whoops I didn't remember this! --- let's mosey |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/10/2008 9:46:45 PM | message detail |
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It's actually worth noting that Yoshi did better against Knuckles once Mega Man was in the poll, oddly enough. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/10/2008 9:47:37 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2863&num=4 Man, he did almost lose. --- let's mosey |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/10/2008 9:48:11 PM | message detail |
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I'd fairly call it a wash between Zelda and Yoshi in this format.
Fortunately for her, that should be good enough, as Yoshi kicked
Knuckles's butt twice. It was never close. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:48:46 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi wins in this format though, and Mario/Zelda is more overlap.
Knuckles may suck , but Zelda is also not very suited to this format -
what was she expected to get on Vincent, 45%? Zelda (2006c) VS Vincent (2006c) Zelda has a strength of 41.02. Vincent has a strength of 37.09. Zelda wins with 54.79% of the vote! A win of 12,302 with 128,403 total votes cast. ...ha. woo female bracket. regardless, it went 56.5-43.5 in Vincent's favour. --- xyzzy |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/10/2008 9:50:52 PM | message detail |
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my super-hacked 2k6 x-stats give Vincent a 54/46 victory over Zelda, for whatever that's worth. --- xyzzy |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/10/2008 11:46:41 PM | message detail |
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I'm picking Knuckles because it's ****ing Knuckles and I'm not going against one of my favorite characters with Zelda. It's just a freakin' point anyways. I don't think I'll be losing any sleep over it. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/11/2008 1:38:33 AM | message detail |
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I think Zelda will show some loss of strength, but Sonic side
characters are so past their prime that Knux just won't be able to take
advantage of it. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/11/2008 1:48:14 AM | message detail |
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TWo trends in these type of contests: Mario SFFs anything nintendo except Link. Knuckles always makes it to round 2. Mario > Knuckles is a lock. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| Gaddswell | Posted 9/11/2008 1:48:55 AM | message detail |
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I've got Mario > Zelda. That near-loss to Rikku really makes me doubt that Knuckles could come out of this. Then again, he's never lost in round 1 before. If he comes out of this, it'll be close. --- sig |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/11/2008 3:17:37 AM | message detail |
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I have Knuckles simply because he never loses in Round 1. Tradition has to be upheld! --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/11/2008 3:20:47 AM | message detail |
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KamikazePotato (#045) Just curious, do you have Wario taking first in the first round? --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2008 4:57:38 AM | message detail |
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I know I'm a little late here, but I figured I'd add my two cents to the Mario/Link/Samus/Vincent discussion! Yes, Mario and Samus each held up respectably against Link when it was just them and Link last year. However, it's not going to be so nice for them with all three of them together. I personally think Samus and Mario affect each other more than Link affects either one of them, so that's why I think Vinny or Crono have a great shot of advancing. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/11/2008 7:09:59 AM | message detail |
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Think for a second, if you may... Does Zelda have any fans on this site? Or is most of her "fans" because of her being in the LoZ series? If you chose option A, go with Zelda. If option B is your choice, I don't see how it's possible to go with Zelda when she's going to lose all of that support to Mario. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune I MISS MY QUICKPOST! ;_; |
| HotManGravy | Posted 9/11/2008 7:26:26 AM | message detail |
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The argument is for being consistent! Either have Mario > Knux
and Seph > Kratos or the other way around, not some weird mixture of
both. Seph/Tifa are a lot more tied at the hip than Mario/Zelda. Everyone knows Seph would maul Tifa like a bear with SFF. Zelda on the other hand, is from Nintendo's premier gaming series over the last decade, and her name is it's damn namesake. Not to mention Sonic crew looking absolutely disgusting in this format/last year (Auron > Sonic. Book it), and Knuckles not being immune from being associated with the Nintendo crew. Sure the overlap probably isn't as great as Mario/Zelda, but it's about as big as you're going to get while not actually being Nintendo. Plenty of good reasons to have Seph > Kratos and Mario > Zelda. Though I gotta say, more worried about Knux making a move than Mrs. Boobs so big my back should be broken. --- Feeding the children since 1979. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/11/2008 7:26:47 AM | message detail |
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That's why I've got Knux over Zelda. I think a large portion of her popularity comes from name brand value. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
