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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 561
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/8/2008 8:08:21 AM | message detail |
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using stats, Fire Emblem, the first GBA game, gets 45% on Earthbound. Despite FE facing another portable game. And said game being a Final Fantasy. Before said Final Fantasy would go on and face ANOTHER Final Fantasy in the next round. --- Honky Tonk Man: 64 Santino Marella: 3 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:09:22 AM | message detail |
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I just noticed... HaRRicH argues for Ness a lot. Just now? I noticed this at least two years ago. Also, if Marth is only worth 43% on Ness indirectly, no way he's advancing past the first round and he probably gets last place. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:09:41 AM | message detail |
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and that right there is an assumption. nothing is pointing to FE9, as an individual game, doing better than EB in ANYTHING. that's about as valid as Mega Man 2 or 3 = Resident Evil 4 because their series tied against Final Fantasy. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:10:30 AM | message detail |
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Also, if Marth is only worth 43% on Ness indirectly, no way he's advancing past the first round and he probably gets last place. I said it was off the top of my head. Jeez guys. And yeah, what Extha said. I cannot believe I forgot that FE was in the games contest. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:10:37 AM | message detail |
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using stats, Fire Emblem, the first GBA game, gets 45% on Earthbound. Despite FE facing another portable game. And said game being a Final Fantasy. Before said Final Fantasy would go on and face ANOTHER Final Fantasy in the next round. Starcraaffffft. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/8/2008 8:11:15 AM | message detail |
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MarioSuperstar (#205) FFX was in the SSBM half of that division, so Starcraft didn't affect it at all. --- Honky Tonk Man: 64 Santino Marella: 3 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:13:19 AM | message detail |
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oh yeah that's right. i just looked at the division again. i dont see why you'd call SFF on them simply both being portables though. FFTA vs FFX i could probably buy but i wouldnt put much faith in it. besides, that's an FE that doesnt have Ike. why are you discussing it? --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:13:57 AM | message detail |
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I'm just saying. If Marth isn't stronger than Ness indirectly, he's
going to have a hard time advancing. I know we've had several
Kefka/Ness debates over the years. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:14:07 AM | message detail |
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... If you seriously can't see the flaws in the argument you just made, I'm done. This is getting ridiculous. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/8/2008 8:14:13 AM | message detail |
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Starcraaffffft. FFX was in the SSBM half of that division, so Starcraft didn't affect it at all. don't you feel crunchy now --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:15:14 AM | message detail |
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I'm just saying. If Marth isn't stronger than Ness indirectly, he's
going to have a hard time advancing. I know we've had several
Kefka/Ness debates over the years. Well, you have to factor in Brawl. It's going to boost old characters too, if only by a little. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:16:09 AM | message detail |
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If you seriously can't see the flaws in the argument you just made, I'm done. This is getting ridiculous. what's it matter what the GBA FE did though? I still wouldn't take it over Earthbound regardless. 42% on doom still sounds better than getting doubled by a GBA port no matter how you slice it. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:17:15 AM | message detail |
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It's going to boost old characters too, if only by a little. and that still wouldn't put him over Ness if he's anywhere near 43% on him. Ness is even older than he is. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/8/2008 8:17:41 AM | message detail |
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Did you just call FFTA a "port" Time to die --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/8/2008 8:18:00 AM | message detail |
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a....port? What? --- Honky Tonk Man: 64 Santino Marella: 3 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:18:01 AM | message detail |
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bah whatever i never played it leave me alone!! --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:18:08 AM | message detail |
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Nevertheless, it will still be difficult if he can't at least match Ness in strength prior to Brawl. For what it's worth, Marth was shown to be worth 42-43% on DK based on their match last year. Don't know if it really means anything, but still. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:18:13 AM | message detail |
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Dear god just stop digging yourself deeper. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:19:07 AM | message detail |
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Nevertheless, it will still be difficult if he can't at least match Ness in strength prior to Brawl. For what it's worth, Marth was shown to be worth 42-43% on DK based on their match last year. Don't know if it really means anything, but still. Wouldn't that put him really close to Ness? Not that we've ever had a clear reading on Ness, but... --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:21:08 AM | message detail |
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Dear god just stop digging yourself deeper. my argument still stands. EB isnt a joke. at least not as joke as you're putting it to be. neither is Doom once it matches Mortal Kombat unless you think that's a joke too. if you think Ike is ahead of Ness directly, how far would you put him ahead exactly? ahead of DK? --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:21:57 AM | message detail |
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It's been a while since we've had a reliable reading on DK, too. He
went equal with Master Chief back in 2005, but I dunno if the Chief
overperformed on Crono or not. DK 2005 is worth 30.38% on Base Link.
That would put Marth at around 25% on BL. Nevertheless, that's all sketchy at best. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/8/2008 8:22:15 AM | message detail |
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Prince Marth gets literally all his support from Smash, though. (Take it from a real
Fire Emblem fan, you should all play Mystery of the Emblem and remedy
this.) Anyway, point being, another Nintendo character with a fanbase
outside of Brawl is going to hurt him, probably by a lot. DK is such a
character. Lucario might be such a character, I'm not sure. Link
definitely is; if Marth gets to round 3 it's gonna hurt. --- Mustache...and green... |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:23:36 AM | message detail |
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If Captain Falcon got 25% on Crono, I really can't see Marth getting 25% on BL. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:23:52 AM | message detail |
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I'm taking Lucario over Marth because of Pokefear. Forget Brawlfear. But I still have Ike beating Pikachu because I don't trust Pika to be favored over any non-fodder Nintendo character. Weird, I know. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:23:55 AM | message detail |
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er, i meant indirectly btw. anyway i guess that discussion comes to a close. i always figured Ness would be around 22%/23% and most new Brawl characters would hover around that area. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/8/2008 8:24:44 AM | message detail |
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KamikazePotato (#223) Unless Crono 2k6 = 2k3 Link oh god we've been getting it all wrong. Crono's boosting so much that the matches can't even comprehend it! --- Honky Tonk Man: 64 Santino Marella: 3 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:25:10 AM | message detail |
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Weird, I know. i wouldn't call it weird at all. how far behind was he compared to Luigi? that's the only thing holding me back from doing that. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/8/2008 8:26:14 AM | message detail |
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As for Fire Emblem vs Earthbound... yeah, I take Fire Emblem, but I
agree Earthbound is being underrated. Well, all things considered, it's
probably Fire Emblem being overrated more than Earthbound being
underrated. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:26:29 AM | message detail |
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Ike might be able to beat Pikachu 1 on 1, but in this format Pokemon just shine. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:27:24 AM | message detail |
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I treat Pikachu a little differently from the other Pokemon because he has the hate factor like no other. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| ZFS | Posted 9/8/2008 8:28:36 AM | message detail |
| Ike beating Pikachu? Can't see that one happening. |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/8/2008 8:28:48 AM | message detail |
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The hate factor is long dead, my friend. I still don't know where you're getting this idea of crumbling against any Nintendo from... I mean, he fought Luigi and did fine. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:29:36 AM | message detail |
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Does he, though? You really don't see many Pikachu haters anymore, and
hate voters don't matter as much in this format. Master Chief also has
a lot of haters and he does just fine. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/8/2008 8:30:17 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'd absolutely love for Ike to beat the rat, but compare Ike's
first round match to Pika's Leon/Dante match and the most severe
BRAWLFEAR ever can't convince me to take it. Even in the MC/Dante/Luigi
match the rat did much better than I would expect Ike to do. --- Mustache...and green... |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:30:58 AM | message detail |
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Ike beating Pikachu? Can't see that one happening. Eh, it would rely on Ike simply being a lot more likable than Pikachu despite Pikachu having more power to draw from. It's a longshot even in 1 on 1, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it happened. In 1 on 1. In this format, nope. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| ZFS | Posted 9/8/2008 8:32:28 AM | message detail |
| Yeah. RPGuy has my feelings on this one. Pikachu did a lot better than I'd ever expect from Ike while Luigi was in the poll. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:35:52 AM | message detail |
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i wouldnt count Ike out yet though. it's quite possible that Brawl
favors Ike heavily compared to Pikachu. at the most it would make it a
close match maybe. and we all know Brawl > anything Pokemon too. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:36:31 AM | message detail |
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oh yeah and before anybody says "Pikachu has the past SSB votes" or
whatever, yes, I considered, that I'm just throwing out possibilities. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:40:22 AM | message detail |
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*sigh* Still a week until the contest. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:41:27 AM | message detail |
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how long would Bacon delay the first match anyway? he never really specified. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:42:30 AM | message detail |
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...The first match is being... Please excuse me while I go beat my head into a wall. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 8:45:51 AM | message detail |
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what? i havent really browsed this place last friday or the weekend.
all i know is that he said a few days which could mean much more than a
week. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 8:47:51 AM | message detail |
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My head banging is directed at Bacon, not you. Whyy, Bacon? Why? We got all the match pics in. We've already waited two weeks. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| HotManGravy | Posted 9/8/2008 8:48:00 AM | message detail |
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lol kp your argument isn't half as sound as you think it is. you're getting pissed off and attempting to completely dismiss MS' arguments for not having any solid proof. guess what? neither do you. 50% of trying to figure out these stupid 4-ways is instinct and feel. hell even if you just base both of your arguments on speculation, you're still not outclassing his argument in any fashion whatsoever. you really need to stop thinking you're right just 'cause. --- Feeding the children since 1979. |
| Grand_Healer | Posted 9/8/2008 8:48:25 AM | message detail |
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I really do care what people think of me. That made me lol. --- http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/DragonMaester/arock.jpg http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emoqx6.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 8:58:31 AM | message detail |
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I'm not changing my bracket now! Ike over Pikachu! Wait and see! --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/8/2008 9:00:21 AM | message detail |
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ike isnt even the favorite to be second, let alone be first xD --- Married to Heroic Palmer! HeroicTronBonne - "Albion, I would Love to do an account bet with you over Ike/Arthas. " Don't forget! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 9:13:44 AM | message detail |
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Alright. The 2k7 stats have Pit at 15.73, an he likely gets all of that
from Brawl hype. Ike is at 19.51. Assuming that being announced on the
site is worth 2/5 of the trailer (which I think is fair considering how
popular and well-known that trailer was), that means that Ike's
strength based on FE alone is worth 13.218. Marth is at 17.12 based on
SSB power alone. If we assume that Ike gets a boost worth 2/3 of that
(as being on the site will have weakened boosting power some), the
Ike's strength becomes 24.69. Pikachu has a strength of 24.59. The
match is debatable at this point, but Pikachu is subracted two points
for ruining Luigi's chances last year that jerk. So there you have it, irrefutable proof that Ike>Pikachu. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/8/2008 9:26:19 AM | message detail |
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Well all this discussion on Ike and Ness (what the...) got me to take another look at my bracket. I'm kind of surprised that everything feels right now, but Division 1 is still a giant mess. I also started thinking about my Dante/Leon/Riku/Ramza pick and started second guessing myself...augh --- Moltar Status: =D Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/8/2008 9:43:39 AM | message detail |
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We haven't really talked about the later rounds much. In the north
half, there's the big Crono/Vincent rematch, and it's possible the
winner rides Nintendo LFF to the finals. As for the rematch itself,
there's a Link-sized gap in the percentage, and the winner is probably
going to need high 20s to win rather than low 20s like last year. Does
that favour Crono or Vincent, or does it not matter at all? --- Mustache...and green... |
