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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 561

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 2:30:22 PM | message detail
I mean personally I think its better to have this pic for round 1, then http://www.blizzard.com/shared/blizz-com/images/war3x/wallpaper/arthas-640x480.jpg for round 2 as the close face pictures
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 2:30:58 PM | message detail
I know Ike is a homosexual who fights for his friends, yet I'm not voting for him.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/7/2008 2:31:54 PM | message detail
Ike is asexual.

Nobody is capable of satisfying him.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 9/7/2008 2:32:05 PM | message detail
I know Ike is a homosexual who fights for his friends, yet I'm not voting for him.


But you also know other characters in the match. You were suggesting someone would be voting for Arthas just based off his picture instead of a character they must be familiar with.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/7/2008 2:32:52 PM | message detail
Albion, you're just not voting for Ike because after pushing for Arthas > Ike so long, you'd look like a hypocrite.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 2:33:48 PM | message detail
Well I'd say casuals would more then likely vote for Pikachu over anything. But for people who think pokemon is kiddy or dumb, I'd say their "oh he looks badass" votes (kinda like Duke) would go to Arthas over the others, if Pikachu is the only one in the match they know
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/7/2008 3:05:00 PM | message detail
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BesaidGuy | Posted 9/7/2008 3:07:28 PM | message detail
i have a bad feeling this contest is going to suck.

either

A.It's going to go back to the standard "Cloud and Link" with no surprises

or

B.This is the one I most fear. After the L Block thing, everyone will vote for joke characters.
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HotManGravy | Posted 9/7/2008 3:11:16 PM | message detail
the contest already sucks for effectively killing any good discussion we could potentially have in here by doing 4-ways again. now it's nothing but crappy speculation and MATCH PICS.

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/7/2008 3:16:45 PM | message detail
Eh, the contest SHOULD be starting tomorrow. This bracket period has been long and painful, an discussion has just worn thin by now.

i mean we spent a week just discussing zack fair geez
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 3:43:56 PM | message detail
Hey Kamikaze. I just realized that pic of "Arthas" you got was nothing but a human paladin in level 50 gear. What made you think that was Arthas?
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/7/2008 3:46:07 PM | message detail
I didn't know that. I thought it was a pic of Arthas from Warcraft 3.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 3:47:05 PM | message detail
Nope, its a WoW human model. This is Arthas from Warcraft 3 in human form: http://war3.incgamers.com/uploads/05272.arthas.jpg
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 3:51:47 PM | message detail
These are his WoW models: http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/6/6b/Arthas-wowmodels.jpg

First one is in Stratholme Caverns of Time, and second is his Lich King model
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ZFS | Posted 9/7/2008 3:53:02 PM | message detail
i mean we spent a week just discussing zack fair geez

contest champion watch out

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charmander6000 | Posted 9/7/2008 4:31:43 PM | message detail
This entire board either fears Zack or doesn't care about him. In the BOP...

Round 1 - Wario is doubling Zack for 1st place.
Round 2 - Zack goes toe and toe with Shadow for 2nd.
Round 3 - Zack loses some ground to Shadow though is the 2nd favorite at getting 2nd.

Do people now see Wario > Shadow and that he's the 2nd strongest character in the division if it wasn't for Link?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/7/2008 5:57:58 PM | message detail
I could see Wario>Shadow, although Shadow would be the favorite.

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charmander6000 | Posted 9/7/2008 6:40:10 PM | message detail
I've just updated the BOP, it now has 30 brackets.

http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB7%20BOP.xls

Post your bracket here - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=45301104
or e-mail at board8bop@hotmail.com

Some things to look at...
- Division 1, rounds 1, 2 and 3
- Knuckles and Zelda (R1) are tied
- Meta Knight and L-Block (R1) are battling it out for 2nd
- Arthas has the slight favorite over Ike in round 1 for 2nd.
- Nero and Olimar (R1) are tied
- Ness > Pac-Man (R1) for 2nd
- 4 brackets took L-Block > Ryu in round 2 though 2 of them fall to Pikachu next round
- Despite having up to 3 Nintendo characters in that match Pikachu is the favorite to win his round 2 match over Alucard
- Leon > Riku (R2) for 2nd despite Dante being in the poll
- One bracket has Nana going to round 3 brawl fear
- Pikachu is a more popular pick of making it to round 4 than L-Block
- Dante and Kirby (R3) are more or less tied though as of now Dante has the lead by one bracket
- Vincent > Crono (R4) for 2nd
- As of now for 2nd in round 5 it's Vincent > Mario > Crono
- Only 2 brackets have Sephiroth going to the finals
- One bracket has L-Block winning and another one has it in 2nd
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/7/2008 6:48:11 PM | message detail
- Arthas has the slight favorite over Ike in round 1 for 2nd.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/7/2008 6:50:45 PM | message detail
Magus was also the unanimous pick to win against Knuckles.

Guess what?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/7/2008 7:25:20 PM | message detail
I'm kinda flipflopping on Zack now. Seeing those pictures made me realize he's pretty much drawing exclusively from the hardcore FF7 fanbase and Crisis Core fans, and there's definitely not many that weren't already hardcore fans.

But still, Link is going to sap Shadow dry....

This will basically be about who sucks less.
ZFS | Posted 9/7/2008 7:26:48 PM | message detail
Where did you think he was drawing his fanbase from

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/7/2008 7:31:30 PM | message detail
Awesome work, charmander. I'm kinda surprised Prince Marth has such a strong backing in round 1, and then Lucario gets all the support in round 2. I haven't really heard much hype for Lucario.
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CP724 | Posted 9/7/2008 7:34:02 PM | message detail
Frog or KOS-MOS in round 1? :O
Ngamer64 | Posted 9/7/2008 7:51:37 PM | message detail
Taking the lead from char, here are the current favorites in all the debated R1 matchups:

DIVISION ONE

1 Wario 67%
2 Zack Fair 60%

1 Marth 77%
2 Kefka 50%

DIVISION TWO

1 Mario 100%
2 Knuckles the Echidna 50%

DIVISION THREE

1 Ganondorf 100%
2 Frog 83%

1 Scorpion 97%
2 Gordon Freeman 77%

DIVISION FOUR

1 Ryu (SF) 97%
2 Meta Knight 50%

1 Alucard 97%
2 Diddy Kong 53%

1 Pikachu 93%
2 Arthas Menethil 50%

DIVISION FIVE

1 Tidus 60%
2 Donkey Kong 57%

1 Mega Man 100%
2 Nero 47%

DIVISION SIX

1 Mewtwo 100%
2 Ness 63%

DIVISION EIGHT

1 Sonic the Hedgehog 100%
2 Magus 83%


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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/7/2008 8:08:31 PM | message detail
I see no one in the BOP has Zidane getting second in his division.

That will have to be fixed. *goes to add bracket*

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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 9/7/2008 9:16:29 PM | message detail
Can anyone link me the archives for these topics?

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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/7/2008 9:21:23 PM | message detail
All that fluff in the first post does have SOME use, ya know.

http://thengamer.com/stats
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/8/2008 12:42:03 AM | message detail
Since I indeed have an account bet with Albion over who will place in second between Arthas/Ike in Round 1, let's discuss that match. Where do you regulars stand on this match? Arthas and Ike seem rather close in strength, but I'm pretty much counting on Brawl fear to lead Ike to second place in this match. Some may find this a perfect situation for Arthas simply because Pikachu will "take votes via LFF" from Ike, but apart from Brawl, Ike/Pikachu BARELY share a fanbase, so I don't count on that effecting him. I think Arthas will be the one to be exposed in this exchange, and Ike will scratch by in second place. It'll be one hell of a match though I wager.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/8/2008 12:46:49 AM | message detail
I'm also kind of surprised Spy isn't being discussed as a potential nuisance to Ike/Arthas too though. Sure it's not likely but it's not like Team Fortress 2 is some kind of niche franchise.
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voltch | Posted 9/8/2008 1:03:03 AM | message detail
just how strong is the orange box's potential?

to think Freeman might be upstaged by i don't know,Heavy and the cube?
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/8/2008 1:43:10 AM | message detail
I think Arthas has that match, for a few reasons:

1. Arthas beat Diablo last year... sure, they were both owned by KOS-MOS but you've gotta figure there was some SFF messing that up. Diablo is no slouch... and while that doesn't mean Arthas is stronger than Diablo or anything, he has to be at least somewhat close to Diablo level for that to be possible.
2. Diablo would own Ike. Ike wasn't really impressive last year and Smash can only do so much. I'd take Ike over Arthas 1v1, but I do think it'd be pretty close.
3. Pikachu being there certainly doesn't help Ike's case.
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transience | Posted 9/8/2008 1:43:57 AM | message detail
I'd probably pick Ike over Diablo heads-up at this point.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/8/2008 1:58:16 AM | message detail
Ness was a popular pick back in the day too, and he even he had his boost limits. Ike probably doesn't go up more than a % or three from the Smash boost. Maybe own is a strong word... still think Diablo takes it without a struggle, though.
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transience | Posted 9/8/2008 2:04:05 AM | message detail
only a percent or three? youse crazy. I'd take Ike over Ness easily, more appealing visually and more fun to play in Smash. you could argue FE9 vs. Earthbound I guess, but I don't really care about that. Ike is more liked within the Smashbase.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/8/2008 2:11:26 AM | message detail
Oh, I'd take Ike over Ness easily too... I'm just saying Ness was pretty popular in the first two games (especially the first) and had even less exposure than Ike before Smash and it only raised him like 5 or 6% total over the original and melee, probably, estimating from from Giygas's performance in the Villains Contest.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/8/2008 3:54:29 AM | message detail
Consider that Diablo's only win outside the villain's contest was about 54% on Kratos Aurion.

Now consider how poorly ToS characters do in this thing.
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transience | Posted 9/8/2008 4:01:34 AM | message detail
there's revisionist history and then there's making up percentages
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/8/2008 4:04:08 AM | message detail
Oh dear, my apologies.

56%
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transience | Posted 9/8/2008 4:10:03 AM | message detail
and while we're at it, let's throw the Villain Contest away

anything for the cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism
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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/8/2008 4:15:12 AM | message detail
Close wins against Ridley, M. Bison, and Kefka before being doubled by Ganondorf.

How's that?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/8/2008 4:56:51 AM | message detail
I'd take Diablo over Ike even after Brawl. I think people are GREATLY exaggerating the effect Brawl is going to have on most characters. Not to mention Pikachu is in there taking away all of Ike's Brawl support.
greatone10 | Posted 9/8/2008 5:16:48 AM | message detail
Ike > Ness?

When you are talking about characters who are completely irrelevant outside of Smash Bros., let's consider who has been in more SSB games.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 5:32:06 AM | message detail
I could see Wario>Shadow, although Shadow would be the favorite.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1322

I don't see Wario > Shadow, ever. Shadow may not be impressive, but Wario has been far less so throughout his contest history.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 5:33:24 AM | message detail
And the thing is, Ike ISN'T completely irrelevant outside of Smash Bros. He's probably in the most popular Fire Emblem games Stateside.

And Brawl is the Smash Bros. game that matters, and play online Free for Alls and see who you'll face most often.

Hint: It ain't Ness.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 5:43:08 AM | message detail
That was a match from 2003 where Shadow also got 45% on freaking Mario. Things have changed since then.

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transience | Posted 9/8/2008 5:46:49 AM | message detail
I don't know what that has to do with anything. everyone knows that match is BS - Sonic got doubled the same year. look at the 2004 match for a better read on Shadow.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/8/2008 5:50:36 AM | message detail
hm. i'd take Diablo over Ike probably but i cant imagine Ike being weaker than the Kefka we've last seen.

as for Shadow vs Wario: rofl. why would Wario ever come close to Tidus? there is no argument here.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2008 5:53:13 AM | message detail
Don't see Wario ever going toe-to-toe with Tidus, if you want to go there. And no way Wario gets 35% on Mega Man. You can call shenanigans on 2003 if you want, but Wario still ain't in his league. Shadow looked pretty bad with the format last year, but Wario arguably looked worse.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/8/2008 6:05:41 AM | message detail
True, but...BRAWLfear!

And you are all severely underestimating Ike. He's had Brawl and another Fire Emblem game since last year (and is very popular in Brawl), and some of you are considering Ness over him?

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