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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 560

Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2008 6:23:57 PM | message detail
fine then we'll just go straight for the red meat

Jack Bauer
Batman
Barack Obama
Solid Snake

WHO DO I CHOOSE
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/5/2008 6:26:05 PM | message detail
Snake > Batman
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trannyscience | Posted 9/5/2008 6:26:44 PM | message detail
Batman for fourth

uhh Obama > Snake
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/5/2008 6:27:13 PM | message detail
no way, Batman SFFs Obama
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2008 6:32:23 PM | message detail
no one SFFs Obama

no one

I'm going to go lie down with my registration forms now
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ZFS | Posted 9/5/2008 6:34:40 PM | message detail
ABOVE THE KNEECAP

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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/5/2008 7:23:46 PM | message detail
Quick.

Give me a character people haven't made a match picture of yet.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/5/2008 7:24:23 PM | message detail
Naked Snake
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2008 7:34:42 PM | message detail
Saying that for SFF to have effect the characters have to have an obvious comparison is a little naive I think after everything we have seen in these contests. I mean why did Leon and Dante SFF so bad last year? We can't seriously think everyone knows they are both Capcom characters and yet that was one of the worst cases of the last contest. They are comparable though... I guess.. if you reach, so how about Mega Man Mario, how do those two compare?
-Mega goes toe to toe with Sonic
-Mario throttles Sonic characters with SFF
-Mario throttles Mega as well.


But SFF characters having an obvious comparison is a main condition of SFF.

And why is everyone so convinced Leon and Dante SFF was that bad? Sure they probably hurt each other a bit, but Pikachu was likely just that strong. Look at how he manhandled Tidus in the first round where no SFF was present. Dante and Leon are both PS2 Capcom action game stars with similar attitudes. Magus and Phoenix have absolutely nothing common. Not game genre, not character traits, not company affiliation and their games are 10 years apart. You could possibly make a small argument for SFF there after CT:DS comes out, but even then it is a stretch. The only anomaly there is Chrono Trigger characters continuing to fall off the map last year.

Mega Man Mario and Sonic are all 2-D platforming icons that made their marks in the 8 and 16 bit eras. Then you have the fact that all the popular Mega Man games were on Nintendo consoles, and now Sonic has all his latest games and his Smash appearance creating even more overlap.

We already saw how Nintendo and Mega Man have clear overlap, and last year was a pretty damn good example of Nintendo/Sonic overlap in the Yoshi/Knuckles matches.
Biolizard28 | Posted 9/5/2008 7:35:49 PM | message detail
Okay, I'll be doing that tomorrow. Camo background included, if I can.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2008 7:37:16 PM | message detail
And why is everyone so convinced Leon and Dante SFF was that bad? Sure they probably hurt each other a bit, but Pikachu was likely just that strong.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2906

I think it might have something to do with that
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Yesmar | Posted 9/5/2008 7:37:25 PM | message detail
And why is everyone so convinced Leon and Dante SFF was that bad?

Leon went from beating Pikachu by 10% to losing to him by 10%.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2008 7:52:07 PM | message detail
Point taken.

Regardless though, Leon and Dante have a hell of a lot more in common than Magus and Phoenix Wright, who literally have nothing at all in common.

Chrono Trigger is a popular SNES RPG, Phoenix Wright is a niche DS.... whatever genre those games are considered to be.
Haste_2 | Posted 9/5/2008 7:59:28 PM | message detail
This contest we will finally see that that fluke last year wasn't because of LFF between Dante and Leon... at least, in my opinion. Probably some other reason(s), such as the pic-factor. I've got MC > Dante rather than MC > Kirby.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/5/2008 8:08:40 PM | message detail
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/5/2008 8:10:43 PM | message detail
What's up with Kefka Ledger? That picture disturbs me
ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/5/2008 9:46:07 PM | message detail
Big Boss:

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Panthera | Posted 9/5/2008 10:09:33 PM | message detail
Regardless though, Leon and Dante have a hell of a lot more in common than Magus and Phoenix Wright, who literally have nothing at all in common.

Chrono Trigger is a popular SNES RPG, Phoenix Wright is a niche DS.... whatever genre those games are considered to be.


What does Earthbound, a cult SNES RPG with a decidedly goofy tone, have in common with Shadow of the Colossus, a not quite as but still fairly cult PS2 action/adventure game known for it's complete lack of population and general air of emptiness? Not much, but they're my two favourite games. While SSF is naturally far more likely between characters/games with obvious shared fanbases, it isn't impossible for two characters/games to have shared fanbases for no apparent reason. Like I said, I've seen a disproportionate number of PW fans who also love CT. I'm not saying it's a serious factor, it was just an odd observation I made based on Magus doing so amazingly bad and my observations of a sample I admit is way too small to make any conclusion based on.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/5/2008 10:13:51 PM | message detail
Altair:

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Xuxon | Posted 9/5/2008 11:52:05 PM | message detail
Even if it starts on time, and Tuesday would make a difference, there's no match that would be on a Tuesday involving Blizzard characters anyway (unless Hogger's round 2 or Arthas's round 3 match would be... I didn't bother checking).
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 9/6/2008 12:44:37 AM | message detail
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2008 8:14:10 AM | message detail
What does Earthbound, a cult SNES RPG with a decidedly goofy tone, have in common with Shadow of the Colossus, a not quite as but still fairly cult PS2 action/adventure game known for it's complete lack of population and general air of emptiness? Not much, but they're my two favourite games. While SSF is naturally far more likely between characters/games with obvious shared fanbases, it isn't impossible for two characters/games to have shared fanbases for no apparent reason. Like I said, I've seen a disproportionate number of PW fans who also love CT. I'm not saying it's a serious factor, it was just an odd observation I made based on Magus doing so amazingly bad and my observations of a sample I admit is way too small to make any conclusion based on.

If you admit that the logic is shaky at best, and you can't draw any conclusions due to a complete lack of evidence, why do you insist on arguing this still?

If Ness suddenly gets a 90-10 beatdown on Wander, your argument may have merit. Just because the very very very small minority (Board 8 users) seem to have a hard-on for anything non-mainstream, doesn't mean that the other 150,000 voters have this same complex.
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 8:19:03 AM | message detail
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Board_8%27s_2008_Match_Pics

Wiki page has been updated for those who care.

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Biolizard28 | Posted 9/6/2008 8:57:37 AM | message detail
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n278/Biolizard28/bigboss.jpg

Hope he accepts pattern backgrounds. >_>

Anyone else need doing?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 8:58:25 AM | message detail
Good, but post it in the other topic Bio.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 9:01:21 AM | message detail
Based on B8 created/submitted images, here's what the first match pic may look like:

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1069/1stmatchad5.png

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/6/2008 9:22:58 AM | message detail
Looks pretty good.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/6/2008 9:24:15 AM | message detail
Eh, I'm not sure I like the background colors for Jade and Wario.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/6/2008 9:54:30 AM | message detail
Yeah, the backgrounds for those two could stand to be toned down a bit, but other than that, I like it.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/6/2008 9:56:46 AM | message detail
I don't see what's wrong with Jade's background but Wario's is terrible.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 9/6/2008 9:57:34 AM | message detail
I just checked that board 8 wiki article with the pics... I'm not sure if that Sackboy pic will be eligible. Since its a Sackboy of a different character in the contest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 10:24:14 AM | message detail
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4356/wario2yb9.png
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5564/wario3se0.png

Take your pick.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/6/2008 10:27:31 AM | message detail
The second.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/6/2008 10:28:36 AM | message detail
Yeah, second Wario one is better.

Problem with Jade's background is that it's too saturated and there's two much of a contrast between that and Cecil's white background.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 10:32:46 AM | message detail
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I didn't do Jade, so I can't change it.

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Panthera | Posted 9/6/2008 11:12:06 AM | message detail
If you admit that the logic is shaky at best, and you can't draw any conclusions due to a complete lack of evidence, why do you insist on arguing this still?

I'm not arguing in favour of it, I'm pointing out that your arguments against it weren't actually addressing it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 12:48:21 PM | message detail
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http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8964/dukenukem2mn4.png

Which do I work with?

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Gaddswell | Posted 9/6/2008 12:49:05 PM | message detail
I like the first one more.
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sidharta | Posted 9/6/2008 12:49:44 PM | message detail
Just wondering, do you guys have a Boards-Odds-Project for this contest?


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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 12:50:06 PM | message detail
I don't think we do.

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/6/2008 12:50:36 PM | message detail

Gaddswell (#388)
I like the first one more.



And judging from most of the stuff submitted so far, Rounds 1-3 are going to be looking good in the picture department. Guess I'll just save my talents for the later, full-pic rounds.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 9/6/2008 1:01:56 PM | message detail
We don't have a BOP because everyone's afraid to start a topic when so many people are still changing their brackets. I still say someone ought to start at least a small one, so we could get some kind of idea what the consensus is going to be.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 1:16:08 PM | message detail
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...Boy.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/6/2008 1:17:59 PM | message detail
Not having Duke Milkem should be a crime.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/6/2008 1:18:56 PM | message detail
Then submit Duke Milkem, I'm not bothering.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/6/2008 1:29:33 PM | message detail
Ngamer64 | Posted 9/6/2008 4:01:56 PM (#387)

We don't have a BOP because everyone's afraid to start a topic when so many people are still changing their brackets. I still say someone ought to start at least a small one, so we could get some kind of idea what the consensus is going to be.



You should just use the Guru Contest as the BOP. They've basically been the same thing for years.

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voltch | Posted 9/6/2008 1:41:09 PM | message detail
who think the nukester becomes Leon Kennedy level once the game of forever comes out for real(in the too distant future that is).
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/6/2008 1:43:10 PM | message detail
You should just use the Guru Contest as the BOP. They've basically been the same thing for years.

Yep. I've never really understood the point of dividing them, especially now that the Guru challenge is big enough.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/6/2008 1:43:39 PM | message detail
But then that means I have to join the Guru Challenge!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/6/2008 1:44:09 PM | message detail
It will be a lot of fun.
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