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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:23:55 PM | message detail
does Falco even have any real fans? it's not like you see Falco vs. Fox arguments breaking out all the time. these guys are just cool cause they're in Starfox 64 and they're good in Smash. they're not characters people are crazy about - look how Fox fell apart to Mario - they're just likable dudes. nothing more.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/3/2008 3:25:05 PM | message detail
Falco's not even likable! He's a jerk!
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Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 3:26:57 PM | message detail
Falco's jerkiness is what makes him cool, man!

I mean... it's not like you see Fox vs Slippy arguments break out all the time either, but it should be obvious who's more popular there. The fanbase just doesn't do that kind of thing, I guess.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/3/2008 3:28:15 PM | message detail
I was mostly pointing at the series being called Star Fox, and Fox himself being the face of the franchise. Falco is still the sidekick even wtih the disparity not being as big as DK over Diddy. And it's not an Auron/Tidus relationship where Falco is the obvious favorite over Tidus. The argument is that Falco might be as popular as Fox. I never got any notion from the fanbase that Falco was more popular amongst the fanbase...

And I thought that Diddy was always the favorite over DK as far as the DKC series went. And I thought this event spilled into DK64 as well. Diddy always came across as the favorites among fans to me. Then throw in the clamor over Diddy Kong Racing and it always seemed like Diddy was the fan favorite amongst the franchise.
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ZFS | Posted 9/3/2008 3:28:18 PM | message detail
Wait, is the argument here about Falco being more popular than Fox? Because that ain't happenin'.

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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:28:28 PM | message detail
but nobody even talks about Falco. I've seen hundreds of top ___ character lists and I've never seen Falco on a single one of those. he's just.. a Starfox 64 character. Fox is playable, he wins here.

kinda reminds me of Crono vs. Magus in some weird way. Fox is pretty obviously the more popular of the two.
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voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 3:28:36 PM | message detail
I want a wolf vs fox vs falco vs captain falcon.

3 Landmasters vs FALCON PUNCH as the match pic.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/3/2008 3:29:27 PM | message detail
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/en/images/thumb/6/68/Slippy0.jpg/250px-Slippy0.jpg

we have a winner

Seriously though, I think it's just that no one really cares about any of them. All four of the main Star Fox crew and enjoyable enough in their own games, but outside of that, who cares.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:29:38 PM | message detail
two pages, two voltches

we're on a roll here gentlemen
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2008 3:32:49 PM | message detail

White_Turtle (#045)
I hate to agree with Ulti, but Crono > Mario had WAY more logic than Samus > Mario. It basically ignores everything we know about SFF.



well if you had Mario > Samus, most would figure Mario > Crono as well.

that and well.. Mario in a finals match with somebody not too far off just seemed weird for him to lose.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/3/2008 3:33:27 PM | message detail
Seriously though, I think it's just that no one really cares about any of them. All four of the main Star Fox crew and enjoyable enough in their own games, but outside of that, who cares.

I think plenty of people care. There just isn't enough personal screentime for any of the characters for fans to get really attached to them. They're basically the guys flying the ships spitting out one-liners. Star Fox Assault did a better job at getting the characters themselves more screentime, but the game was mediocre and went way under the radar. And there's no sign of Star Fox Wii. It's just another franchise with potential that Nintendo has no idea how to handle.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:35:56 PM | message detail
that said, I wouldn't put Scorpion out of reach for Falco. god knows Smash is more popular than Street Fighter. Scorp's more iconic but I'm not sure how much it matters.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/3/2008 3:36:45 PM | message detail
Soul doesn't count.
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Midget_Fetish | Posted 9/3/2008 3:37:59 PM | message detail
question because I'm too much of an idiot to see why.

in alucard/kratos a/falcon/diddy, why are people picking diddy and falcon and ignoring kratos?

I mean, sure, ToS sucks in the contests and people seem to realize that finally, but Kratos A has proven he's the strongest one from that game. considering Diddy/Falcon brawl SFF, I thought it was an obvious pick.

and uh I dunno if I'm just nuts or there's something I'm not seeing here.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:39:26 PM | message detail
Kratos is a fine pick.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2008 3:39:55 PM | message detail
People give Kratos A a chance (well, sensible people), but there's a large wariness of putting trust in Tales characters. Even though Kratos A is the strongest of any of them by far, he still has yet to win a match...
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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:41:49 PM | message detail
Falcon is the dumb pick there, by the way.
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ZFS | Posted 9/3/2008 3:42:53 PM | message detail
Kratos isn't a bad pick there, but trusting in Tales characters is bad news. This is probably the best chance he's gotten at winning a match, though.

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MnMZero | Posted 9/3/2008 3:46:43 PM | message detail
I just noticed that Kratos A. has all of two matches under his belt. I could have sworn we'd seen more of him.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 3:48:27 PM | message detail
we would have, but he got squeezed by the female bracket.

Kratos has never been embarrassed though. a decent showing against Diablo and coming somewhat close to Midna when he wasn't expected to even compete. can't say the same about Lloyd (who's actually won a match) or hahahaha Zelos.
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swirIdude | Posted 9/3/2008 4:07:24 PM | message detail
hahahaha Zelos

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2008 4:17:38 PM | message detail
At first, I put my faith behind the idea of a generally equal fanbase split between Diddy and Falcon, so Kratos A. was my guy. I switched to Diddy after realizing I didn't really think he could be weaker than Midna, especially after getting Brawl exposure. Diddy has a couple of million sellers on the SNES and the N64 (Diddy Kong Racing was one of that system's most popular games, IIRC), and he has now been re-introduced to fans in a very significant way. He still may be DK lite, but even that could be enough to edge by Kratos, assuming Falcon doesn't significantly hinder him.
Master Moltar | Posted 9/3/2008 4:21:14 PM | message detail
I actually had Kratos advancing for a bit, but I changed my mind because I see Diddy actually having decent strength.

or i picked him because he's my best character in brawl that's flawless undebatable logic right there
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2008 4:23:15 PM | message detail
ok I'm sitting this one out dammit
trannyscience | Posted 9/3/2008 4:23:35 PM | message detail
Falcon will definitely hinder Diddy. it's just that he should be strong enough to hold on.

well, that's the hope anyway.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/3/2008 5:46:18 PM | message detail
And about the whole "LFF" argument, why the distinction?

Isn't the very definition of SFF having a fanbase split, rather than normal matches where there are 2 distinct fanbases? Lower votals are a reoccuring trend in SFF matches, so why were people surprised enough that SFF weakened the stronger characters in last year's matches?

As I recall, Ryu > Bowser in round 1 was a pretty big upset despite the obviousness. Same with Ryu H > Riku
Tohoya | Posted 9/3/2008 6:15:17 PM | message detail
Why in the world is Samus so popular, anyway? Metroid is popular, but not all that popular, and smash only gets you so far...
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therealmnm | Posted 9/3/2008 6:18:20 PM | message detail
Her character design and 20+ years to gain a fanbase. Plus, Metroid fans really like Metroid similar to how Chrono Trigger fans really like that game.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/3/2008 6:20:34 PM | message detail
I wonder if Arthas can advance in his round 1 match, too.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 6:44:16 PM | message detail
Fox > Falco > Wolf > Andross/Peppy (either could be next in line) > Pepper/ROB > Slippy

With that said, Falco is the badass of the group, and does have his fair share of fans. Fox, being playable and the face of the franchise is obviously more popular, but there shouldn't be too much of a gap.

And the Fox/Falco argument isn't common, but it has happened before. Falco usually wins. But, take that with a grain of salt.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 6:45:51 PM | message detail
And hooray with everyone sitting out! Now let's talk about some good characters and some good upsets.

Gordon Freeman > Scorpion who's with me??
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Xuxon | Posted 9/3/2008 6:48:07 PM | message detail
WCC to the quarters yup infallible Zero Mega Man LFF
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greatone10 | Posted 9/3/2008 6:58:11 PM | message detail

trannyscience (#070)
Kratos has never been embarrassed though. a decent showing against Diablo and coming somewhat close to Midna when he wasn't expected to even compete. can't say the same about Lloyd (who's actually won a match) or hahahaha Zelos.



There's one other Tales character that hasn't been embarrassed before. lol Mithos
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:03:52 PM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:05:08 PM | message detail
And boycotting a topic because I said something you don't like? There's an ignore button if you hate me that much. Use it.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:21:55 PM | message detail
woohoo, drama in the stats topic!

In totally unrelated and somewhat off-topic news, what is the deal with airline food these days? Fruit cups? Come on now.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:22:56 PM | message detail
It beats getting 2 peanuts. My pet rats wouldn't even get full on the stuff airlines used to pass off as "meals".

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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:25:19 PM | message detail
2 peanuts? They didn't even give you a bag? What a rip!

I mean, I got like 4 different kinds of fruit in my cup. Two cherries (greedy ****s always keeping the cherries in short supply) and a random assortment of pineapple, melon, and mystery fruit. In fact, it could very well be those fruit cups you find in stores, just without a label.

Something should be done about this.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:26:09 PM | message detail
They DID give me a bag.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:28:25 PM | message detail
I say we boycott all airlines from here on in.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2008 7:30:10 PM | message detail
Okay, what the hell at 2 peanuts in a bag. I don't think that's possible. It hasn't gotten that bad yet.

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therealmnm | Posted 9/3/2008 7:31:35 PM | message detail
American Airlines gives you the privilege of buying a meal. Otherwise... nada.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/3/2008 7:44:12 PM | message detail
Raiden fact of the bump: Raiden predicted Samus over Mario in 2k5, but vote stuffed against Samus because he wanted to give other brackets a chance.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:50:05 PM | message detail
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/3/2008 10:44:12 PM (#092)

Raiden fact of the bump: Raiden predicted Samus over Mario in 2k5, but vote stuffed against Samus because he wanted to give other brackets a chance.



Sounds like a good reason to boycott.

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Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 7:51:20 PM | message detail
Yeap. I knew it, too. Honestly Ulti, get off your high horse Raiden is the only reason we Mario pickers called it right.

So when someone in here I *really* like more or less calls me a lucky dumbass, I think it's fair to take offense and lash out a little bit.

I still say it's inconsistent to use the "it's freaking MARIO" argument and then have Crono beating him. Now, there were other arguments you could use that makes it consistent, involving block diagrams. *nods

... what?
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Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 7:52:47 PM | message detail
Of course, Crono beat him the year before. But freaking Mario wouldn't lose to Crono, that was clearly a fluke.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 7:58:26 PM | message detail
Except I didn't think Mario had gone up. I figured Mario/Crono would be the same as the year prior, and that Mario would SFF Samus for a win. He didn't really need to go up to pull that off, but arguing over a three year old contest is getting pretty damn stupid. But if you really want, I'll stay out of any and all Mario/Samus 2005 arguments in this topic from now on. I'm giving that up plus my LOL, X-STATS. Happy now? -_-

Why aren't we fighting about the contest that starts in two weeks?

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/3/2008 7:59:42 PM | message detail
Because Zack winning is a lock.
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ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 8:01:36 PM | message detail
if you havent noticed, this topic has been full of arguing over years passed battles, and characters that arent even in the damn contest. pretty much a result of bacon boning us with another 4-way, making an overall weakass bracket, and then boring us to death with month to predict it.

i wouldnt be surprised if we were arguing over batman and superman by next week

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ZFS | Posted 9/3/2008 8:01:58 PM | message detail
Zack for champ

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