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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 559
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/2/2008 8:13:39 PM | message detail |
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what was it zack - 45%, wario - 28%? i think someone's been sipping on that black-haired kool-aid a bit too much --- Moltar Status: =D Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2008 8:13:56 PM | message detail |
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Diddy Kong is going to be REALLY lucky to escape the first round since
Captain Falcon's taking a lot of the SSB-support Diddy may have gotten
this year and Kratos isn't a chump (like the rest of the ToS cast). --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 8:14:07 PM | message detail |
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between Clall than Mewshi. What the hell is this --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/2/2008 8:14:12 PM | message detail |
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MarioSuperstar (#400) Please tell me you mean Alucard > Diddy > Pikachu. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 8:15:53 PM | message detail |
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of course i mean Alucard > Diddy > Pikachu =P btw i dont think falcon and diddy share THAT much of a fanbase besides SSB. i'm not relying on SSB to put DIddy over the top; i'm relying on Diddy's own popularity. really where would you put Kratos in that match with Wario? the guy didnt even beat Midna and only was a few thousand ahead of Agent 47. Diddy is definitely bigger than Wario outside of SSB as well. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/2/2008 8:16:04 PM | message detail |
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Kratos isn't gonna increase at all anytime soon, so I doubt he will
hinder anyone, and Diddy Kong will be able to SFF Captain Falcon enough
to at least place. Honestly Diddy > Alucard and Diddy > Pikachu
may be the craziest picks in my bracket but damnit, it's not a bad risk
to take. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 8:16:37 PM | message detail |
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yes it is --- xyzzy |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/2/2008 8:16:37 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH (#402) Yeah, but F-Zero and Captain Falcon are nearly irrelevant outside of SSB. Diddy stars in the greatest 2-D platformer ever created. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 8:16:42 PM | message detail |
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what was it zack - 45%, wario - 28%? book it --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/2/2008 8:17:13 PM | message detail |
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Of course knowing my luck, Diddy will do what Midna did for me last
year. After I hype him up for a good month he'll immediately job when
push comes to shove :( --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/2/2008 8:18:33 PM | message detail |
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yes it is no its not --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 8:21:39 PM | message detail |
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Diddy Kong is going to be REALLY lucky to escape the first round
since Captain Falcon's taking a lot of the SSB-support Diddy may have
gotten this year and Kratos isn't a chump (like the rest of the ToS
cast). Captain Falcon is weak sauce. At least Diddy has something other than Smash to draw support from, and I can see it meaning a lot. Once again, I would take Diddy to beat DK straight up. And I beg to differ about Kratos. The man came closer to Agent 47 than he did Midna last year, and Midna was about 10% under Scorpion Midna is rubbish yet she still convincingly beat Kratos. Even without Smash support, I would take Diddy to kill Kratos A. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/2/2008 8:23:11 PM | message detail |
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Once again, I would take Diddy to beat DK straight up. Now this is what I like to read. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/2/2008 8:23:25 PM | message detail |
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Oh boy, you guys were talking about crummy logic. Remember when people
were taking Kratos Aurion to beat Diablo? Hell, I remember one post
saying that he'd be around Knuckles strength. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 8:26:47 PM | message detail |
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I only remember KOS-MOS strength, which actually kinda makes some
sense, really. In any case, Kratos isn't a total joke... he'd beat
Falcon straight up at least. All depends what you think of Diddy. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2008 8:37:59 PM | message detail |
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Diddy Kong should cleanly beat CF, but I doubt he goes unscathed from
it...and I don't think Diddy pre-SSBB would have done a lot better than
Wario last year. I think they would have done equally well (bad...?) in
Wario's first match last year, though Diddy would have outdone him in
the second round. Kratos wouldn't outdo Wario this year, but he would
outdo Wario if he were in Diddy's place. Diddy doesn't scare me much
more. I also reject the idea of Diddy > Donkey Kong. DK has been in more games, has his name in more titles, was in all of the SSB and MK games except SMK (and DK Jr. counts enough, dammit!), and did everything Diddy does in the original DKC. I also question how popular the DKC games are. They sold well and were enjoyed, but they are all 12+ years old and platformers that stood in the shadows of Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man during the day. We can also look at this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2799 There's no question Mario's SFF'ing DKC here...but even if you were to double DKC, it would still be losing to Castlevania by over 2%. Diddy just doesn't have the foundation guys. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 8:56:15 PM | message detail |
| Diddy always struck me as someone that has much more appeal than Donkey Kong. And the fact that he is in more DKC games than the big guy (including being the star of what was undoubtedly the best in the series) means that I'd have faith in him winning that. And now that he's in Smash, he has no excuse for not being a strong midcarder. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 8:57:07 PM | message detail |
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Fox Falco Diddy Donkey Who do you have advancing here? Diddy > Fox is my guess |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2008 10:06:08 PM | message detail |
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Fox > DK seems like a certainty. I think Diddy hurts DK more than Falco hurts Fox, DK > Diddy, and Fox > DK. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 10:13:59 PM | message detail |
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I'd take DK > Falco. Falco reverse SFFing Fox could happen. I have to believe that Star Fox fans prefer Falco generally. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| greatone10 | Posted 9/3/2008 1:50:55 AM | message detail |
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Fox > Diddy Donkey Kong himself strikes me as a Pac-Man type character who gains votes off his status as an "icon" and a Nintendo character rather than people actually liking the guy. He'd fall apart the worst out of everyone here even if he is directly stronger than Diddy, who actually has a loyal fanbase. There's a reason nobody protested that he played the Toadstool role in DKC2. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/3/2008 2:07:38 AM | message detail |
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I just realized that I got Falco going further than Fox. Awesome... --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/3/2008 4:32:35 AM | message detail |
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I'd take DK > Falco. Falco reverse SFFing Fox could happen. I have to believe that Star Fox fans prefer Falco Everything you said applies just as equally to Diddy... |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 5:27:11 AM | message detail |
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Why do you have Falco beating Scorpion exactly? --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 5:33:07 AM | message detail |
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Round 3 DIVISION 1 FINALS Link Shadow the Hedgehog Lucario Niko Bellic Once again, Link destroying everything in this fourpack is a no-brainer. I’m not exactly sure why he was given such an easy division. At least give him someone he wouldn’t triple one-on-one. Lucario doesn’t stand much of a chance because he’s going to get SFF’d into the ground. That leaves the battle down between Shadow and Niko. I don’t expect Niko to be anything more than a low midcarder, and I think Shadow’s a bit better than that. Leonhart’s Pick: Link > Shadow the Hedgehog --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 7:00:48 AM | message detail |
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Ya know...if Bidoof can get 13.27% with both Link and Zelda fighting
for Nintendo support and a nearly-NN-breaking Vincent, then why can't
Lucario do a bit more with only Link and a combination of Shadow/Zack
and Niko/Kefka/Marth/Duke/Altair? If Link gets 50+% like he did against
Vincent/Bidoof/Zelda (he got 51.19%) and Lucario being a more-liked
Pokemon who is playable in SSBB can get him another 2%-3%, there's a
really good chance he can come out alive in this mess of a division.
The odds only look better if Link can SFF Shadow or if Zack and Kefka
can make it that far too. Say we see Link/Shadow/Niko/Lucario, for example. There are no NN'ers except Link again, and there's nobody even close to breaking it like Vincent is or Zelda once was. Shadow has shown this format isn't great for him and that he is on Tidus's level at best one-on-one. Lucario, while stronger than Bidoof, still isn't going to shake up Link's world. Niko wouldn't be doing wonders in this match, and I doubt he hurts Link like Zelda did. Let's roll with the idea of Link getting 55.5%, an increase of 4.31%. That would leave 44.5% for the rest...and if Lucario can beat Bidoof-with-Zelda by 2%-3%, that would make Shadow have to cleanly beat Niko and make him look really bad in order to oust Lucario. If Lucario beat Bidoof-with-Zelda by 2.5% in this match: Link - 55.5% Lucario - 15.77% other opponents - 28.73% That means, for this scenario, Niko would have to get less than 12.97% for Shadow to tie Lucario (notice Shadow would have to beat Niko by nearly 3%). This situation only looks better for Lucario if Link hurts Shadow at all (especially if it's enough to cause Zack > Shadow and assuming Zack isn't actually strong enough to do that without Link) or if both Zack and Kefka make it that far (on top of their LFF, it's worth noting we've seen Zelda KILL Terra before...what if that was no coincidence?). Only Marth would hurt Lucario's chances, and anybody else would be in a tough position to beat Lucario there. Not terribly unrealistic. It's a shaky comparison with Link/Vincent/Bidoof/Zelda, but there's reason to believe through that Lucario can come out of this successfully. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2008 7:16:24 AM | message detail |
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you know it's quite possible bidoof stands up to SFF more than the other Pokemon (or just as good as them being SFF'D). i mean Bidoof did better than Ganondorf with Link one-on-one, didnt he? --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 7:27:42 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, but where's the suggestion Bidoof holds up better than other more
favored Pokemon that have been featured in the SSB series? --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2008 7:32:01 AM | message detail |
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my guess comes from him being a joke and jokes being susceptible to sharing a fanbase. Lucario's votes wont come from jokes; neither does Ganondorf. most of their votes are from people that actually like them. they are also people who also like Link that like them as well thus it's possible they could perform as 'bad' as bidoof. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Tohoya | Posted 9/3/2008 7:33:37 AM | message detail |
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Do we have any proof of Pokemon/Nintendo SFF? OTOH, IIRC we have a lot of Nintendo/Sonic SFF... --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 7:41:20 AM | message detail |
| Fox SFF'd Pikachu in 2k3, but that's all I can
think off off-hand where a Pokemon was obviously/clearly hurt by
another Nintendo character. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/3/2008 8:02:27 AM | message detail |
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Luigi and and the rat in MC/Dante/Luigi/Pikachu? Not that Luigi beating
Dante is a foregone conclusion with the rat gone, but it certainly
didn't help. And the rat went from beating Dante to a distant fourth
place (albeit there was no Leon to hold Dante back). --- Mustache...and green... |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 9/3/2008 8:03:29 AM | message detail |
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Hey question: Have we agreed that the SC2k7 X-stats are not to be trusted? (AKA: Trash) --- Biolizard28: The cream of Fire Emblem fanboyism. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7315/ocelotpartycd1.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 8:18:46 AM | message detail |
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I agree it's possible for Lucario to advance simply by virtue of Link
sucking up 50-60% of the vote, but I'm sticking with Shadow...for now,
at least. There is absolutely no one in that entire division I can put
confidence in outside of Link. Any choice is a risky one. It's like
that Ruin Division from the Villains Contest. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 8:21:16 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 2 FINALS Luigi Bowser Mario Mega Man X Mega Man X actually has a great chance of getting first here, depending on how strong he is and how strong the LFF is. Luigi and Bowser have absolutely no chance of advancing (nor does Liquid or Roxas if they get this far unless X is a huge bomb), unfortunately. The only question is whether Mario gets first or not. I still say he will because I expect Mario to be far enough above Mega Man X that he can hold on despite the LFF. It could be a close one though. X > Mario isn’t a bad pick here. Leonhart’s Pick: Mario > Mega Man X --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| SFF_potential | Posted 9/3/2008 8:35:48 AM | message detail |
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Biolizard28 (#433) yes, though x-stats shouldn't be trusted anyway, especially in predicting 4-way matches --- Luigi will win Character Battle VII! http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4524/luigibrawltz7.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2008 8:57:14 AM | message detail |
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For a change of pace, more (serious! <<) Zack-related discussion! Assume this quarterfinal match: Link Zack Fair Mario Mega Man X ...percentages? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 8:57:20 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 3 FINALS Samus Aran Ganondorf Vincent Valentine Scorpion Once again, Scorpion’s path ends at Samus and once again with her LFFing a Nintendo character. Samus and Vincent will advance, there’s no doubt about that. Even IF there’s absolutely no LFF here, Ganondorf is probably looking at a Bacondorf picture, and he’s already weaker than Vincent anyway. The question is whether or not the LFF is enough for Vincent to get first place. Mega Man couldn’t do it last year, though he gave it a good fight. Ganondorf IS stronger, so he could leech Samus a bit more than Yoshi did, but it’s not a risk I’m taking. P.S. Go Scorpion! Beat Ganondorf! Leonhart’s Pick: Samus Aran > Vincent Valentine --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 8:59:51 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 4 FINALS Crono Ryu Alucard Kratos Aurion …Just so you know, I did change to Kratos getting this far. I originally had Diddy, but I feel better with this…for now. Either way, this is pretty straightforward. Crono and Ryu will easily advance. This is one of those matches where each character is a step above the next. The four characters should finish in this order here without too much to worry about, I think. Gotta worry about The Plan with Alucard though! Still, this will be one of those interesting matches where Kratos Aurion wins the day vote! Leonhart’s Pick: Crono > Ryu --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 9:02:20 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 5 FINALS Mega Man Tidus Solid Snake Zero This looks like a remix of the 20XX Division from SC2K4! Back then, Zero actually outdid Solid Snake against Mega Man directly. My, how times have changed! Snake has this one in the bag big time, especially with Zero here leeching off of the Blue Bomber. I’d love it if they leeched each other enough for Tidus to sneak by (Revenge for the rat doing that to Tidus and Vivi last year!), but I doubt it. If he were a bit stronger, maybe. I’ll still be rooting for it though! Go #2 character vs. #3 character! Leonhart’s Pick: Solid Snake > Mega Man --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2008 9:04:29 AM | message detail |
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Link - 46% Zack Fair - 17% Mario - 23% Mega Man X - 14% Initially I actually had Link > Zack here, but it's not happening unless Link SFFs Mario and MMX worse than he's ever done before, or Zack really is Tifa level or so, just from looking like Cloud and wielding his sword. I have a feeling MMX is going to suffer from the 3-way SFF more than Mario here. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 9:09:46 AM | message detail |
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how can anyone look back on Samus > Mario and say that was a horrible pick? way to put on the 20/20 blinders. --- can you dig it? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2008 9:11:00 AM | message detail |
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yeah EC wouldn't know anything about that hey is that Altair I see in the contest --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 9:11:55 AM | message detail |
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is that supposed to make sense to me --- can you dig it? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2008 9:12:26 AM | message detail |
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depends on how high you are --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 9:12:48 AM | message detail |
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moderately --- can you dig it? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2008 9:13:14 AM | message detail |
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keep going --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 9:14:41 AM | message detail |
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but i have class in 15 minutes ill pick up afterwards --- can you dig it? |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 9:18:13 AM | message detail |
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I've been through Link,Samus,X,Crono enough,but if you put in Mario
instead of X and Vincent for crono then everything becomes so much
easier with Vincent taking second spot pikachu style. I really hope L-Block fails this year because the noble nine and X,Vincent and MC can really shake things up and give headaches similar to Kefka,Niko,Marth,Duke only they are worth a lot more points. If the block fails then we have a decent contest,if he wins then the competition is effectively ruined. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 9:19:10 AM | message detail |
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We'll always call last year's stats trash and not call them
reliable...until we find a formula that backs them. It's what happened
with the one-on-one format until the x-stats came toward the end of the
2k3 contest...but, then again, we've not found a proven formula to this
format yet either and L-Block is likely going to continue ****ing
things up to some degree. The LFF this year will really hinder testing
the rough stats attempted last year, too. The point stands though; give
us an x-stats calculator for this format that's semi-proven, and people
will care about the stats from last year a LOT more. Luigi and and the rat in MC/Dante/Luigi/Pikachu? Not that Luigi beating Dante is a foregone conclusion with the rat gone, but it certainly didn't help. And the rat went from beating Dante to a distant fourth place (albeit there was no Leon to hold Dante back). No question there was LFF there, but it's not like Luigi beat Pikachu especially bad there...that was my thought on it. You also covered the point about Pika/Dante. I mentioned Fox/Pika because they had a common opponent from the year before and it was proven in their match Fox beat Pikachu worse than the stats suggested...we've not really had that same opportunity with other Pokemon since then due to both the new format and the lack of other Pokemon since before 2k7 (barring Nidoran F). The question is whether or not the LFF is enough for Vincent to get first place. Mega Man couldn’t do it last year, though he gave it a good fight. Ganondorf IS stronger, so he could leech Samus a bit more than Yoshi did, but it’s not a risk I’m taking. Good point about Samus/Mega Man/Yoshi, but it's worth noting that we've seen Yoshi share a lot of fanbase with Mega Man too. With Ganondorf being stronger than Yoshi one-on-one (maybe this format too), Samus hardly/not SFF'ing Ganon in 2k5 whereas Mega Man destroyed Yoshi in 2k5, and Vincent not being related to either Ganon or Samus while Yoshi is connected to Mega Man and Samus, that changes the game for this match... ...I also really like how Vincent held up in the face of Nintendo time and time again the past two years -- he cleanly beat Ganon in 2k6 (called this one...), demolished Zelda in the first round last year (...but this still burns!), and beat Crono two rounds after that while Link was in the poll. Also, in his closing performance last year, he had ~10% against Link and Mario while Sephiroth was in the poll. Replace Link with Ganon, Mario with Samus, and Sephiroth with probably Scorpion (though this only gets more extreme if Falco pulls an upset and gets here instead)...there will be a LOT of percentage gained from that by Vincent. It's a very close call and Nintendo will have the added favor of SSBB's success since last year (though I don't think Ganon, Samus, or even ZSS were very well-received in SSBB)...but I like Vincent in that, especially if Falco does advance that far. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
