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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 559
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 2:43:33 PM | message detail |
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Protoman over DK is crazy talk --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 2:44:00 PM | message detail |
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how many differences can you come up with between Roll and Protoman besides one obviously being more likeable? i certainly cant see Protoman nearly tripling Roll in popularity. after seeing the difference between Zero and Mega Man with Zero being playable and more invovled, you have to count him out against the ape. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 2:45:47 PM | message detail |
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I could say the same thing about Peach vs Luigi, considering Peach is in most of the games Luigi is in. Yeah, likability matters. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| WarygonZ | Posted 9/2/2008 2:46:04 PM | message detail |
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Protoman is actually relevant in how many Mega Man games? 3 and 5....is that it? The guy would be just BARELY above the fodder line, and that's giving him lots of credit. --- I am not a fake hedgehog. WarThaNemesis2 is on life support. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 2:48:01 PM | message detail |
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He appears in 7 and 4 too if I recall correctly. Not to mention 3 and 5
are probably the most popular of the original NES series witholding 2
so that's not exactly something to turn your nose up at. I'm not saying he's a lock to beat DK or anything... just that it's within his range. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 2:48:31 PM | message detail |
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differences between Peach and Protoman: -Mario > Mega Man for one. -she's playable in many notable Mario games. she's extremely recognizable and everybody pretty much knows her. in fact this is probably enough to ensure that Protoman ISNT stronger than Peach. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/2/2008 2:49:22 PM | message detail |
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Protoman has not been relevant for years. DK is at least in Brawl. There is really no way he's beating DK. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2008 2:49:54 PM | message detail |
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Luigi is playable in a good plurality of
Mario Bros. games. That counts much more than anything else, and
Protoman has no such claim to his name. This talk about Protoman being
worth half a damn would've been appropriate during pre-2004 (where,
ironically, he got stuck against Zero). With 30% of the site having
never even played a Mega Man game, his series being infinitely less
relevant to those that have than it once was, and with Protoman's
inherent reliance on the Classic series... no. Gimme Pac. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| WarygonZ | Posted 9/2/2008 2:50:12 PM | message detail |
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Lopen (#305) I said relevant. When your role in a game is less than that of any given Robot Master, you don't count as relevant. >_> --- I am not a fake hedgehog. WarThaNemesis2 is on life support. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 2:50:38 PM | message detail |
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Way to totally dodge my point. I was pointing out that your comparison
of Roll vs Protoman really had no meaning due to Luigi vs Peach. This
has nothing to do with Protoman vs Peach (though I think he'd take her
pretty easily) --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| voltch | Posted 9/2/2008 2:51:03 PM | message detail |
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Bass>Protoman --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2008 2:52:44 PM | message detail |
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Also I can't imagine Lopen advocating Protoman like this over, say, pre-Halo 3 Master Chief <_< --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| WarygonZ | Posted 9/2/2008 2:53:12 PM | message detail |
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Karma Hunter (#312) E-TANK FUEL --- I am not a fake hedgehog. WarThaNemesis2 is on life support. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 2:55:07 PM | message detail |
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Well, I admit to be sure Protoman over DK would be on the extreme end of his range. I merely said I'd take the pick. That doesn't mean I think that's what's likely
to happen. Just that I think it's a possibility, and favoritism and my
inclination to bet against DK (whoo choke choke) takes over. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 3:55:09 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, and that loser Zero had terribly irrelevant roles in Mega Man X1-X3. He's complete fodder. And let's not forget about Vincent Valentine. That weakling was completely optional and had no storyline focus whatsoever. At least Kerrigan is playable and is basically the mastermind behind the entire Starcraft plot. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 4:00:21 PM | message detail |
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are you seriously comparing Zero's role in X to Protoman's role in ANYTHING? .. are you even a mega man fan? christ. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 4:00:44 PM | message detail |
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and turtle. he is unplayable repeat it 100 times if you have too. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 4:03:21 PM | message detail |
| Which kind of brings me into my next discussion
point. Why was everyone out for Mega Man's head in 2006? And have
people admitted that he didn't drop at all yet? He scored 70% on Axel fresh off of KH2. Compare that to this match: Samus (2005c) VS Riku (2005c) Samus has a strength of 41.69. Riku has a strength of 24.13. Samus wins with 71.06% of the vote! A win of 40,654 with 96,518 total votes cast. Not to mention Riku going 55/45 against a Yoshi that beat Dante. Was it really surprising Sora, who got a much less annoying and much more mature role, scored so well? And on top of that, if you run the 2004 X-stats between Mega Man and Ryu you get: Ryu (2004c) VS Mega Man (2004c) Ryu has a strength of 32.00. Mega Man has a strength of 38.60. Mega Man wins with 58.55% of the vote! A win of 15,052 with 88,034 total votes cast. Which is less than .5% off the expected mark. And given how great Ryu looked last year, I think it's very safe to say that the entire Dream division in 2005 can be thrown out of any discussions about anything. Then of course the whole Mega Man = Sonic on Snake thing. I guess what I'm trying to say is why are people saying Mega Man is the one to break the Noble Nine when he's still very equal to Sonic, and is looking at getting a game that will put him comfortably above the Blue Blur? Goddamn we need Mega Man/Sonic 2 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 4:05:05 PM | message detail |
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In X1-X3, Zero is unplayable. He must suck. And let's not forget Ganondorf. That loser would probably get beat by CATS. And Sephiroth? Oh man he must suck. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 4:06:10 PM | message detail |
| Hell, Zero has a total of 3 seconds of exposure in X2 and X3 combined. |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/2/2008 4:07:56 PM | message detail |
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i cant believe were arguing over DK and some scrub who's not even in the contest. WE WANT THE DAMN CONTEST. --- can you dig it? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 4:09:53 PM | message detail |
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ganondorf and sephiroth have significant storyline involvement in two of the biggest series on the whole site. protoman makes in appearance in TWO notable mega man games. Zero is actually playable in X3; and you actually constantly see Zero onward after X3. honestly it's pretty clear mega man characters outside the main playable ones are going to bomb. there's no way Protoman is far from Roll. and lol turtle on Mega Man 2006. no way i'm touching that with a 6 foot pole anymore. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 4:12:04 PM | message detail |
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ok did i see sephiroth invoked to prove a point about protoman of all characters time to accept that protoman isn't here and wouldn't be that strong if he were --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/2/2008 4:15:13 PM | message detail |
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will put him comfortably above the Blue Blur? I would pick the three Sonic games + Brawl to beat a downloadable MM game any day of the week. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 4:23:12 PM | message detail |
| I'm of the opinion that all of Sonic's new games are the reason he's been decreasing over the years. And Brawl didn't help him much against a Sora weakened Squall last year, unless you suddenly think FF8 is a powerful entity and he draws no strength from Kingdom Hearts. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 9/2/2008 4:43:38 PM | message detail |
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Brawl wasn't out then. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 4:49:12 PM | message detail |
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you do know if you actually keep ryu constant from 2004 that makes Rikku (and in turn Samus) look far too strong. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/2/2008 5:09:55 PM | message detail |
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Random drop of analyses! DIVISION 7 Kirby Big Boss Master Chief Raiden This one is pretty straightforward. Master Chief will dominate as usual, though it will be interesting to see just how close Kirby gets. I think he might get closer than some expect because he’s stronger than Yuna, and he doesn’t have LFF to contend with. Even a Naked Snake picture won’t save Big Boss because Raiden will be there to leech off of him. This one won’t be too tough. Leonhart’s Pick: Master Chief > Kirby Leon Kennedy Riku Dante Ramza Beoulve I’m not sure why Bacon thought a Leon/Dante rematch was a good idea. We’ve already seen that the advantage goes to Dante in a big way. I really doubt that Ramza LFFs Riku at all and definitely not enough for Leon to sneak through anyway. The question is if it affects Dante enough for Riku to get first. If Pikachu can do it, why not Riku? Leonhart’s Prediction: Riku > Dante DIVISION 8 Sonic the Hedgehog Magus Auron Sub-Zero This one has some serious upset potential, I think. Sonic and Auron are definitely advancing, unless Sandbag is here messing everything up, which I’m not counting on here. I hope Sub-Zero can push Magus into last place, which would be nice. I don’t know why Subby’s getting two rematches here, with Sonic and Auron. The big thing here is I think Auron is going to beat out Sonic here. This format benefits Auron more than any character other than the Chief. Just look at last year. That second round match against Bowser/Ryu/Shadow is seriously one of the most impressive performances of the last contest. I definitely don’t think Sonic could duplicate that, Brawl or not. I just wish Auron’s next match didn’t involve Sephiroth! What a waste! Leonhart’s Pick: Auron > Sonic the Hedgehog Sephiroth Tifa Lockhart Kratos Revolver Ocelot This one is pretty straightforward. Sephiroth dominates yet again, but there’s no way Tifa can sneak through here. The competition is too tough for her. People who say Kratos can beat her anyway need to get their heads checked, but he’ll take second here because of the SFF beating Tifa will get. Ocelot won’t be doing much of anything, but he’ll probably avoid last place, at least. Leonhart’s Pick: Sephiroth > Kratos --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| Lopen | Posted 9/2/2008 5:54:25 PM | message detail |
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Interesting. Auron > Sonic isn't something you hear much about. I
guess it's a pretty viable upset... though you've gotta think maybe
Magus hurts Auron a bit (not much, but enough to make it less probable) honestly it's pretty clear mega man characters outside the main playable ones are going to bomb. there's no way Protoman is far from Roll. Dr. Wily is far from Roll. Honestly, if we're going to put Protoman at someone's level to start, make it Wily's. Protoman should have no problem breaking the fodder line. By how much is debatable, but I have to agree with BT that he'd be more interesting than most of this bracket. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2008 5:59:02 PM | message detail |
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Auron > Sonic would be a lot more tempting to me if it wasn't for
Magus. Not that Magus is going to hurt Auron a lot between CT/FFX's
age/console/series-differences or their general gap in strength...but
with Sonic fresh off of SSBB and having beat Squall twice last year,
Auron can't afford that disadvantage if he's tackling Sonic. If Sandbag beats Magus though, Auron's got a nice shot at a killer upset. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:03:03 PM | message detail |
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phew, Leonhart to the rescue - else we could have been arguing Protoman vs. Sephiroth for another 150 posts. I really like Auron over Sonic, but it involves The Bag advancing to round 2. dammit, Magus. you're like Tidus, even when I want you to lose you still ruin everything. --- xyzzy |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 9/2/2008 6:04:21 PM | message detail |
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Ok, I'm sorry, but I'm calling bull **** here. Black Turtle is now
officially the longest running stats topic troll IMO >_> --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/2/2008 6:06:41 PM | message detail |
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I think Auron can win, with or without Magus there. I don't expect any LFF problems there. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 6:07:06 PM | message detail |
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Can't wait for this Sephiroth/Tifa/Kratos match. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:07:50 PM | message detail |
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ain't gonna be much to see! --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 6:08:21 PM | message detail |
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it will when tifa wins suck it --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/2/2008 6:08:24 PM | message detail |
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Also, I'm confident in Squall > Auron one-on-one, but this format is
Auron's best friend. Round 2 last year was more impressive than
anything Sonic did last year. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:08:37 PM | message detail |
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I completely disagree on Auron/Magus not mattering, by the way. they're
both quintessential Square "badass" characters. CT and FF10 are top 5
RPGs on this site. there's overlap there. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/2/2008 6:09:54 PM | message detail |
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FFVII and CT should have greater overlap in that case, but you don't
hear anyone calling for Vincent/Crono LFF. Also, Crono/Auron didn't
show any signs of overlap. Don't try to tell me the roles Auron and
Magus play suddenly make a difference in whether or not there's LFF,
because I don't believe it. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:10:23 PM | message detail |
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I'm more of a Squall = Auron kinda guy, so I have no trouble giving
Auron the benefit of the doubt there. shame he's being fed to Sephiroth. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 6:12:12 PM | message detail |
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It's a lot easier to see Auron / Magus crossing streams than Crono /
Vincent because of those roles. Whether or not they actually will is
something else, but anything that could hinder Auron there won't be
good for the upset. Still plenty of upset potential, but room for
caution all the same. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:12:58 PM | message detail |
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FFVII and CT should have greater overlap in that case, but you
don't hear anyone calling for Vincent/Crono LFF. Also, Crono/Auron
didn't show any signs of overlap. Don't try to tell me the roles Auron
and Magus play suddenly make a difference in whether or not there's
LFF, because I don't believe it. you can't tell when Zero's getting beat down by Link simultaneously. if you put Link/Vincent/Crono/...I guess this doesn't work because there's no non-Nintendo, non-Square character that works in this example. but you know what I mean - if there was someone equivalent in strength to Ganondorf that wasn't affected by Link, I'd pick him over Vincent/Crono in a heartbeat. just because the results line up statistically in a one on one match doesn't mean there's not an overlap. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/2/2008 6:13:03 PM | message detail |
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Meh, I really don't think the role makes a difference. Name one instance where it ever has, and I'll reconsider. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/2/2008 6:13:28 PM | message detail |
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Auron beat Ryu with Cloud in the poll. ... damn. Honestly, if we're going to put Protoman at someone's level to start, make it Wily's. well Wily has some significance to the storyline. it's possible Protoman is a galaxy away but i wouldnt put it more than a few % on BL. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:13:34 PM | message detail |
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I guess you could say Sonic since he seems to apparently suck in this
format. I'd go Link > Sonic > Vincent > Crono in that case. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/2/2008 6:13:50 PM | message detail |
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You can look at Vincent/Crono 2005, if it makes you feel better then. Vincent's repeatedly proven that performance was legit. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/2/2008 6:15:04 PM | message detail |
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Nah, I wouldn't put Auron on Squall's level. He's been impressive as of late, but not that impressive. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| ZFS | Posted 9/2/2008 6:18:16 PM | message detail |
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Don't know that I'd buy that Auron wouldn't be hurt with another loved
Square character in the poll. The idea that he'd be at complete
strength - which he'll need - with Magus in the poll is crazy to me.
We'll see. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/2/2008 6:51:49 PM | message detail |
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I never questioned Vincent/Crono 2005 - there *is* some significant
overlap there though, and it can exist despite the lack of "SFF". I'll
go back to the best example, Squall/Aeris/Akuma. Squall didn't
significantly "SFF" Aeris, but Akuma made a match of it. now, Squall
and Aeris are obviously more closely related than Auron and Magus, but
I'd be surprised if Auron walked away from that unscathed. put Magus in
Shadow's position last year and Auron doesn't look as good. --- xyzzy |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/2/2008 7:10:32 PM | message detail |
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Proto Man's raw numbers on Zero put him ahead of 90% of this years
bracket. Then take into consideration this was basically Proto Man 2.0
vs the original and there's a huge range he could fall into. The fact
that he held up as good as he did speaks volumes of his potential. If a loser from a crap game like Vivi can beat DK, I can't see why this is so unfathomable. But no, you guys would rather see fodderific junk from the same rehashed JRPGs over and over gain. Do we really need 5 Tales characters, 3 FF4 characters (especially since we already saw Cecil get tripled by Kirby) 2 characters from a crap DS game that sold 30 copies and Laharl again? We keep seeing the same old fodder that the fanboys refuse to stop nominating when potentially decent characters like Seifer and Proto Man get the shaft. Is it some sort of status symbol to orgasm over anything niche? Over anything anti-mainstream? I don't get how people seem so unable to form their own opinions these days, whether they be the mindless drones that buy Madden year after year, or the people sitting in their parents' basement watching hour after hour of obscure anime while pleasuring themselves to cartoon porn. Gah lol board 8 |
