GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 559
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/30/2008 1:38:27 PM | message detail |
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I'm still deciding which character to unreasonably inflate/support this year. Zidane, Ike, Mewtwo...all are good choices! --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2008 1:46:54 PM | message detail |
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As far as Liquid goes, I think he's a great upset in round 2. It's Bowser
in a SFF match - we saw what Mewtwo was able to do him last year by
just being the poll; Luigi should cause him even more problems. Add
MGS4 into Liquid's favor - which should make him the strongest he's
ever been - and there's reason to consider him here. And the comparisons to Ganon/Luigi/Master Chief/Yuna just don't hold for me - that's an entirely different match with entirely different levels of strength. Ganon/Luigi/Master Chief have a whole lot more strength in this format than I would ever dare give Bowser, SFF or no. It's still an upset, but one I'm liking more and more as time goes by. and get roxas outta here --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2008 1:48:54 PM | message detail |
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I'm keepin' Roxas in! but if you believe in MGS/FF SFF he was a bit weaker than he should've been too That's where you've lost me. Look at the next to last day of the Battle Royale when it was Cloud/Link/Snake. Then look where Snake's percents went. Cloud had an advantage, but it was very small. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| Lopen | Posted 8/30/2008 2:04:11 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm... you raise a strong point there, Leon. Doubting my pick a wee little bit, now. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2008 2:14:36 PM | message detail |
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you know it's very possible Big Boss could actually win his second match.. or maybe i'm being denial? i guess it depends on how far away you think Kirby is from Magus. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2008 2:15:04 PM | message detail |
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Not with Raiden hanging around, unfortunately. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2008 2:16:11 PM | message detail |
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DIVISION 4 Crono Amaterasu Ryu Meta Knight If L-Block is here, all bets are off, but I don’t like the possibility of it being here, so it’s not. This contest is actually more unpredictable if it loses right away. Regardless, Crono’s going to win this one, but Ryu won’t be too far off. Zero did a good job against the silent hero last year, so the Street Fighter ought to do pretty well. Meta Knight ought to be able to do a good job of owning the day vote since he’s the only day vote character here, but it won’t save him. Maybe Ammy’s dedicated fanbase can keep her from the cellar, but I doubt it. Leonhart’s Pick: Crono > Ryu Alucard Diddy Kong Ike Pikachu I’m seriously contemplating having Kratos Aurion here instead of Diddy Kong. Either way, I think whoever takes second place with Alucard takes second place here, so it’s a tricky decision. I don’t trust Pikachu’s ability to be favored over any Nintendo character, so I don’t expect him to beat them out here. Ike could beat Diddy, but I don’t see it happening. Either way, this thing’s a total crapshoot and I’m totally guessing. I wish this bracket didn’t have so much LFF that was pure guesswork. Leonhart’s Pick: Alucard > Diddy Kong --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2008 2:49:20 PM | message detail |
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DIVISION 5 Tidus Donkey Kong Mega Man Nero This one is pretty straightforward…if the Weighted Companion Cube isn’t here. As it stands, this one should be pretty obvious. Mega Man, despite his waning strength, is still well above the competition, and Nero is well below (or Olimar, if he’s here). The question is about Tidus and Donkey Kong. Whoever wins round 1 will get past round 2. There should be no reason for it to go otherwise, as far as I’m concerned. I’ve got Tidus winning round 1, so he’ll be getting past round 2 here. Leonhart’s Pick: Mega Man > Tidus Zero Ryu Hayabusa Solid Snake Vivi Orunitia This is actually one of those matches that’s just an arrangement of cool characters. This should be a good match picture, unless we somehow get sprites here, which I doubt. Solid Snake continues his pathway of destruction to the finals here. He should win this one pretty easily even though this is solid competition. Hayabusa should finish last here. I don’t know what the board consensus is here, but I consider Zero the favorite to beat Vivi. He was more impressive last year, and I see him doing better than Vivi against Leon, if not outright beating him. Can’t say for sure, but just a feeling. Leonhart’s Pick: Solid Snake > Zero --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2008 3:06:16 PM | message detail |
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Screw Bowser getting SFF'd. SBallin is going to embed the SMG Bowser
Battle theme on the front page during every Bowser match and Bowser is
going to SFF everybody. Just you watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTYlRHLOAyk&feature=related --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/30/2008 4:04:42 PM | message detail |
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That's where you've lost me. Look at the next to last day of the
Battle Royale when it was Cloud/Link/Snake. Then look where Snake's
percents went. Cloud had an advantage, but it was very small. It should be noted that in normal circumstances, you would expect the majority of Snake's votes to go to Link because he's naturally stronger, yet despite this fact the majority of his votes did go to Cloud instead. The difference remains small, but bigger than you may have thought (Link went from beating Cloud 55.56% with Snake to beating him 53.93% without him). |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2008 4:07:45 PM | message detail |
| Hey, I'm not doing anything crazy with Zero this year. I was lucky that he was given a basically 100% chance of going down in the third round to save my bracket some points. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/30/2008 4:19:34 PM | message detail |
| And Snake more than likely is affected by MGS/FF7 SFF, but you have to take into consideration that he is now drawing from a Nintendo voter pool as well. You couldn't see the difference so much with Link there though. |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 8/30/2008 4:33:58 PM | message detail |
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though don’t underestimate the power of 4chan) I thought 4chan was shut down, lol --- 0/0 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII NP: Wario > Zack Fair |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/30/2008 4:40:11 PM | message detail |
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it is? --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2008 4:42:24 PM | message detail |
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I was lucky that he was given a basically 100% chance of going down in the third round to save my bracket some points. Last year was no different. That didn't stop you. --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 8/30/2008 4:52:41 PM | message detail |
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DIVISION 6 Sora Fox McCloud Squall Leonhart Yoshi This is a tricky match because there’s a pair of LFF instances going on here. Squall’s going to advance, no matter what. We’ve already seen last year that Sora won’t beat him, and Fox won’t either, especially with Yoshi there. So the issue comes down to who advances between Sora and Yoshi. I’m perplexed by this one. I had Sora originally because I didn’t think Squall did very much to him last year, but looking back at their round 3 match last year, perhaps he did. Strangely enough, both Sora and Yoshi were eliminated in matches involving a Mortal Kombat ninja. Sora did better against the stronger ninja, but there’s LFF involved, so that’s not worth too much. Yoshi’s the one dishing out the LFF rather than taking it, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt against Sora. He COULD get first if he does enough damage to Fox. Leonhart’s Pick: Squall Leonhart > Yoshi Cloud Strife Midna Mewtwo Ness This match is as obvious as it gets, and Cloud gets another massive blowout to add to his resume due to triple Nintendo LFF. Mewtwo should emerge from this one the winner without much trouble. If he beat Ness before, he should beat him again. Midna is kinda tricky because we still don’t really have a good idea where she stands. After all, she is from Zelda, but I doubt it will matter here. However, if Midna pulls off the upset, I won’t be horribly shocked. Leonhart’s Pick: Cloud Strife > Mewtwo --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 8/30/2008 5:07:47 PM | message detail |
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Midna's an atomic bomb, The only reason she's advancing to Round 2 is
because she's up against competition that's worse than her. But there
will be tons of LFF in that match for Mewtwo's favor, no doubt about
that. --- 0/0 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII NP: Wario > Zack Fair |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/30/2008 5:22:02 PM | message detail |
| Good call on putting Yoshi through. I would be shocked if Sora made it through that 4-pack. |
| RPGGamer0 | Posted 8/30/2008 6:08:02 PM | message detail |
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I really don't even see the trouble in that four pack. I think it's
pretty clear that Yoshi will come out of that in 2nd if not first. --- A surveillance camera!? |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2008 6:09:47 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, it's not like Sora significantly impacted Squall once Aeris was
out of the picture. Squall got his votes, almost edging out Sonic.
He'll get his votes in this match. Sora would have to fight out with
Yoshi and Fox for the remaining percentage, and I don't think Yoshi
will be affected that much from Fox... --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2008 6:12:47 PM | message detail |
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No way Roxas is advancing. Calling it now. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2008 6:42:01 PM | message detail |
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Looking over my bracket makes me dissect last year's matches a bit
more, which is something I didn't really do for any of last year's
contest. Looking back, what the hell happened in Sonic's first two
matches? With PoP and Viewtiful Joe, Sub-Zero nearly kept up with
Sonic, who didn't look impressive at all. Take out PoP and VJ, and throw in the Duke and Gordon Freeman and Sonic went up
while Sub-Zero plummeted. Why'd Sub-Zero plummet so much between those
two rounds (along with Sonic increasing)? Did anybody put a finger on
that last year? --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2008 6:43:06 PM | message detail |
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As I recall, Sonic was announced for Brawl in between those matches. --- Mustache...and green... |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2008 6:43:49 PM | message detail |
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Didn't Sonic get announced for Brawl when Sub-Zero plummeted? Pretty
sure he did like a couple days before that match. And he even got a
Brawl picture too I believe. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| transience | Posted 8/30/2008 6:47:56 PM | message detail |
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yeah, but Sub-Zero went from crushing POP to getting close to Gordon
Freeman. that just shows how weird the contest is; there's no real
science to this, it's all about who you're with. --- xyzzy |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/30/2008 6:49:15 PM | message detail |
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I suppose so, but I think I'd rather blame Brawl hype honestly --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2008 6:51:22 PM | message detail |
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Oh, okay. Forgot about that! But yeah, I'm doing a second analysis of
my bracket and last years. Looking at Shadow and Sonic... I'm starting
to not think it was purely just them sucking in this format. Looking at
Squall and Auron... they really
kicked ass last year. Too bad Auron had to go up against Cloud, as I
would have liked to see how he would do against the noble niners
outside of Cloud. Actually, Final Fantasy fave's in general scare me in
this format. Not only Squall and Auron's results, but even Kefka was
able to do well, almost getting past Fenix and Ocelot with Cloud in the poll. I didn't realize how well all of them did until now. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2008 6:54:50 PM | message detail |
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And now I go and double check why I don't have Squall and Auron doing
major damage in this bracket and I see that they will be eventually
stuck with Cloud and Sephiroth respectively... Way to go Bacon. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2008 6:59:43 PM | message detail |
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It's true that Squall and Auron were quite impressive last year and
they shared matches with Sonic and Shadow...but Knux and Tails did
badly as well (equal to Rikku and The Boss?). When you go 0/4, that's a
pretty big indication that's something's wrong. And you're right, Kefka wasn't hurt too much by Cloud - I'm not sure how the math works out, but he might have even looked better relative to Marcus than the first round. We have long standing suspicions that new school/old school Square won't SFF each other, anyway...Crono seemed to confirm that theory against Vincent and Auron, and his game against FFVII. If he can make it past Vincent and through the Nintendo LFF in the semis, we'll finally get to see him against Cloud (and maybe Seph, too). Pretty big if, though. --- Mustache...and green... |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2008 7:30:15 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, again I was just saying that those results might not have been entirely
on Sonic Team jobbing. If anything, the contest shows that the Sonic
characters gain their strength by having a large fanbase that likes
them a lot, rather than having a core group of fans for whom they are
favorites of. I think that Tails match proved that if anything. Vincent
is a fan fave and got his votes. Zelda got her Nintendo votes. The Boss
is a favorite amongst MGS fans (enough to get her that solid 15%).
Tails was at the ass end. I don't think there is a core "Sonic" fanbase
on this site... Luckily it won't matter too much anyways in this contest. Knuckles has to deal with Zelda, but after that it would be a guaranteed loss, so it won't hurt too bad contest wise. Tails isn't getting past Tidus and DK. Sonic would have to completely job not to get past FF characters being gimped by Sephiroth. Shadow is the only one with a lot at stake really. And his competition is so weak across that division outside of Link that you have to give him a fighting chance regardless of Sonic Team not looking too good in this format. With Link in the picture, Kefka and Zack are his biggest threats and Zack is a complete wild card. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/30/2008 7:33:52 PM | message detail |
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With PoP and Viewtiful Joe, Sub-Zero nearly kept up with Sonic, who
didn't look impressive at all. Take out PoP and VJ, and throw in the
Duke and Gordon Freeman and Sonic went up while Sub-Zero plummeted.
Why'd Sub-Zero plummet so much between those two rounds (along with
Sonic increasing)? Did anybody put a finger on that last year? I'm still confused like heck with that, myself. Sonic just couldn't have boosted it that much. Looking at how badly Sub-Zero beat Prince of Persia and Viewtiful Joe, I'm tempted to say Sub-Zero being so close to Sonic was due to Sub-Zero overperforming, for no apparent reason (aside from that his picture was probably the most awesome that I've seen of him). This is still nothing compared to what Pikachu did in Round 3 of last year, though! Or maybe you could say Sonic boosted like crazy, Subby did a little worse due to picture disadvantage, and the PoP and CJ were just that pathetic. =P Heck if I know. After hearing more discussion, I'm more confused than ever on Cloud/Snake/MC/Sephiroth. Heck, even if Sonic made it instead of MC... Snake could be SFFed and we could get Cloud > Sonic. =P Sounds like a good upset special to me, actually... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| ZFS | Posted 8/30/2008 8:20:38 PM | message detail |
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Thinking Snake is going to get SFFed in that match to any notable degree that allows Sonic to slip past is stretching it. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/30/2008 10:53:47 PM | message detail |
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Let me try a little bit of FACT or FICTION so maybe we can come to terms on more of our controversial stuff: FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/30/2008 11:06:33 PM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. FACT: Cecil and FFIV are not exactly up there in strength. FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. FACT: Neither Mewtwo nor Ness are big enough names to take away Pac's recognizability votes, and Mewtwo and Ness are Smash Brothers. FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. FACT: Anything bizarre can happen between two characters from the same series leeching each other, allowing Liquid his chance. FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. FICTION: Gotta go with the original that more people will pick up on. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. FACT: Shadow's biggest game appearance is Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, a Gamecube game. He will likely have SOME overlap with Link (remember 45% on Mario? There had to be some kind of overlap there for such a strong result). --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 NOMINATE KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA! |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 8/31/2008 4:09:12 AM | message detail |
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FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. Zack won't even be winning this. Not going into this again, though. FACT: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. As I said earlier: Old-School/Icon SFF. Mewtwo and Ness don't have what it takes to dish out the SFF to Pac. They're not the stuff of legend. FACT: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. For now, I'm taking it. After seeing how Bowser got rocked with just Toad in the poll you'd better at least think about it. FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. I'd think a lot of MMX voters vote Mega Man anyway, thinking of MMX. Doubt it goes back the other way. FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. Nah. That's not to say Shadow won't look like crap but I'm not going to pin it on SFF if he does. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 8/31/2008 4:12:57 AM | message detail |
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And I still don't get how you can be afraid of Pokemon, Leonhart, and
bet against Pikachu in a match that isn't even debatable to most
people. Ike and Diddy Kong SFFing Pika down? It's not like he collapsed against Luigi or anything. ... course I told you this on AIM earlier today. WORTH SAYING AGAIN. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/31/2008 4:35:12 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. Fiction. I believe, damnit! FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. I don't know if I'd attribute it to SFF, but I think Ness'll lose to Pac-Man, so Fact, I guess. >_> FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. Fact. Bowser sucked it up hard last year when dealing with other Nintendo characters (really, so did Dorf), while Weegie had his best contest yet. I see no reason Weegie can't hurt Bowser enough to allow Liquid to advance. FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. Fiction. I'd say they'll probably be equals in a direct match-up. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. Fact. SA2 may as well be a GameCube game. Hell, Shadow may as well be a Nintendo-exclusive character. His only games (3 if you include being an Assist Trophy) worth playing all may as well be Nintendo-exclusives. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/31/2008 6:18:43 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. Fact Zack wouldn't have to be strong at all to do this, and the competition is weak so there's lots of % to go around FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. Fact How the hell do Mewtwo/Ness SFF Pac-Man? This makes no sense FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. Fiction There's certainly a chance, but I wouldn't call it reasonable FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. Fiction X will be strong, but I don't think he'll be that strong. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. Fact Yoshi/Knux |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/31/2008 6:24:42 AM | message detail |
| Now we should stop discussing the obvious first round matches and take a look at Squall/Sora/Yoshi/Fox. In terms of 1 on 1 strength, I would go Squall > Yoshi > Sora > Fox with Yoshi and Sora being close. Since Squall and Sora will split a lot more evenly than Yoshi/Fox, does Yoshi have a chance to take first? How about in the next round when you stick Cloud and Mewtwo in there? Will Cloud just obliterate Squall? Or will he stand up better now that he's much stronger than the last time they met? |
| Mumorpuger | Posted 8/31/2008 6:30:14 AM | message detail |
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FACT: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. FACT: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. FACT: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/31/2008 6:51:14 AM | message detail |
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Now we should stop discussing the obvious first round matches and
take a look at Squall/Sora/Yoshi/Fox. In terms of 1 on 1 strength, I
would go Squall > Yoshi > Sora > Fox with Yoshi and Sora being
close. Since Squall and Sora will split a lot more evenly than
Yoshi/Fox, does Yoshi have a chance to take first? How about in the
next round when you stick Cloud and Mewtwo in there? Will Cloud just
obliterate Squall? Or will he stand up better now that he's much
stronger than the last time they met? Considering Squall nearly beat Sonic last year with Sora in the poll, I do think he'll finish first over Yoshi in round 2. And Cloud will obliterate Squall, making Yoshi's entry into the quarterfinals all but a formality. FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. Hard to say, really. Considering Crisis Core seems to be a bit bigger than FFIV DS on this site, and with the possibility of a pretty substantial FFVII-backing, I'll go with FACT. Not sure at all though. FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. FACT. Mewtwo isn't iconic enough to really SFF Pac-Man, I think. Yoshi or Luigi might do it, but not Mewtwo. FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. FICTION. I don't understand why this is such a popular pick. Have we forgotten last year? Yuna, after obliterating Liquid, couldn't come anywhere close to beating either Ganon or Luigi. What makes this so different? Are we really expecting Liquid to boost so enormously? FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. Definite FICTION. Put them in the same 4-pack and he might win, but I think that otherwise Mega Man pretty much gets all the MM and the MMX votes. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. Largely fiction. There might be a little, but nothing crippling, I think. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/31/2008 6:51:28 AM | message detail |
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i guess it's possible Yoshi could take first but i'm not sure if Yoshi would have gotten that close to Sonic. --- *is Dranze* Explicit Contest is my lord. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 8/31/2008 7:04:40 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. Fact, this is an FFVII character against an old Square character who got tripled by Kirby. FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. Fact, Mewtwo/Ness have closer overlap, and neither can really old-school SFF Pac-Man. FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. Fact, same series LFF is powerful. FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. Fiction, Megaman up to now has included all forms of Megaman- it's possible this will change in the future if the voters pay attention and decide that Megaman no longer includes MMX. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. Fact, most of the voters on this site are Link fans. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| voltch | Posted 8/31/2008 7:11:41 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. FACT:If Zack is 3/4 as strong as Vincent or Tifa then he'll be laying a beatdown on cecil FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. FACT:Sure they re brawlers but DK's a brawler too and he chokes,if the entire brawl base blindly voted for it's characters then peach wouldn't be that weak and fox would be ganondorf level,Pac-Man won't be getting SFF that much in the end. FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. FACT:Liquid's name is all over MGS4,if his face was there though i'd be more confident,as of now i think he'll come short. FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. FICTION:MM's the original and should be stronger FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. FACT:I reckon Link SFFs the whole field,somehow. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/31/2008 7:14:03 AM | message detail |
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Fact, most of the voters on this site are Link fans. Doesn't mean there is SFF between them. SFF implies a disproportionate overlap (and in the definition adhered to by these board members, I also understand this overlap has to actually favour one of the characters as well). |
| red sox 777 | Posted 8/31/2008 7:32:42 AM | message detail |
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Doesn't mean there is SFF between them. SFF implies a
disproportionate overlap (and in the definition adhered to by these
board members, I also understand this overlap has to actually favour
one of the characters as well). There is at least some overlap (and, with the exception of fodder vs. fodder, usually a great deal of overlap) in every match, and a character's strength at winning shared fanbases- is in fact a vital, integral, component of a character's "strength." If you don't want to use this general a definition of SFF, fine, but as far as this particular match goes, I think Shadow will be hurt rather more than Zack, and less than Wario. Look at Auron/Ryu/Bowser/Shadow last year: Shadow did substantially worse relative to Auron there than in his first round match, and Bowser did not make up all that much ground on Ryu, despite Mewtwo and Toad not being in the poll. That suggests Bowser/Shadow LFF to me, which makes Shadow a prime target for Link SFF. The ultimate example of just how much overlap exists between strong characters is last year's finals: no one here would dare take L-Block > Link one-on-one, and yet L won the 4-way poll thanks to Cloud and Snake. What if we replaced Cloud and Snake with Mario and Samus, two characters who have a closer overlap with Link? Link would garner the majority of the Nintendo votes, and take first, right? Cloud and Snake thus took away more votes from Link than Mario and Samus would. And before someone says that is just because Cloud is stronger than those two- how is Cloud stronger? If he's stronger because he brings in more of his own voters to the poll, then Link will still get the same number of votes and still beat L-Block. If he's stronger because he's able to win over a good portion of the shared fanbase between Link/Cloud, then yes, Link/Cloud LFF is more significant than Link/Mario/Samus LFF, at least from Link's point of view. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| charmander6000 | Posted 8/31/2008 8:02:23 AM | message detail |
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I agree with you, but using the L-block match is a bad example. By that
stage the L-block would have won against any three characters, unless
it was with Link and two fodder characters. --- Character Battle 2008: Points 0/0 |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/31/2008 8:35:05 AM | message detail |
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There is at least some overlap (and, with the exception of fodder
vs. fodder, usually a great deal of overlap) in every match, and a
character's strength at winning shared fanbases- is in fact a vital,
integral, component of a character's "strength." If you don't want to
use this general a definition of SFF, fine, but as far as this
particular match goes, I think Shadow will be hurt rather more than
Zack, and less than Wario. Look at Auron/Ryu/Bowser/Shadow last year:
Shadow did substantially worse relative to Auron there than in his
first round match, and Bowser did not make up all that much ground on
Ryu, despite Mewtwo and Toad not being in the poll. That suggests
Bowser/Shadow LFF to me, which makes Shadow a prime target for Link SFF. There may be as many people on this site that know Pac-Man than there are who know Squall. They are thus equally known and you could expect them to be about as popular. Yet Squall is more popular because he is more likeable, hence has a better ability to actually get the people who know him to vote for him. The ability to win a shared fanbase is indeed a part of one's integral strength, hence it bears no relation whatsoever to the term "SFF". Squall doesn't "SFF" Pac-Man. He's just more awesome. Yes, the feasible argument you bring forth for Shadow being hurt more than Wario but less than Zack by Link is indeed the argument of SFF, and I agree that this will be the case. However, by your own definition, you seem to interpret this as Shadow being "less able" than Zack to winning shared fanbases. This is where you're wrong. Imagine a gameFAQs poll of the day asking "Do you know who [character A] is?", the next day a poll asking "Do you know who [character B] is?", and the next day the poll asking "Do you know who both [character A] and [character B] are"? Imagine that the possible answers in these polls are "yes" and "no". Imagine that the answers were as follows : Poll 1 - 70% yes Poll 2 - 70% yes Assuming character A and character B are entirely unrelated, one would assume that about 49% would vote "Yes" on poll 3. Now replace character A with Cid Highwind and character B with Red XIII, and hold poll 3 again. Do you really think only 49% vote "yes"? I would think about 65% would vote yes, because the person that knows Cid Highwind but not Red XIII is a pretty rare breed, I'd say. In case 1, there is a 49% overlap between the 2 characters, yet this is a natural overlap and the character that is more popular (the one with the better ability to get the voters that know him to actually vote for him) will take most of this shared percentage. The results will go as expected and the characters will have performed as their previous popularity levels would indicate. In case 2, despite both Cid and Red being equally known as characters A and B, the overlap is much greater. The results may be a bit weird depending on the fanbase's preference towards Cid/Red. One of the characters may come out looking disproportionately weak, which otherwise says nothing about his ability to win overlapping votes. I know that sounds like an icecold contradiction, but it's not. You might expect Cid and Red to perform similarly against Link, for example, but against each other Cid might go 60-40. |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/31/2008 8:35:08 AM | message detail |
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The ultimate example of just how much overlap exists between strong
characters is last year's finals: no one here would dare take L-Block
> Link one-on-one, and yet L won the 4-way poll thanks to Cloud and
Snake. What if we replaced Cloud and Snake with Mario and Samus, two
characters who have a closer overlap with Link? Link would garner the
majority of the Nintendo votes, and take first, right? Cloud and Snake
thus took away more votes from Link than Mario and Samus would. And
before someone says that is just because Cloud is stronger than those
two- how is Cloud stronger? If he's stronger because he brings in more
of his own voters to the poll, then Link will still get the same number
of votes and still beat L-Block. If he's stronger because he's able to
win over a good portion of the shared fanbase between Link/Cloud, then
yes, Link/Cloud LFF is more significant than Link/Mario/Samus LFF, at
least from Link's point of view. I'm not sure what your point is, I'm not denying there is a lot of overlap between strong characters (there obviously is), just what "SFF" is. I don't like comparisons with L-bock due to the fact that we really can't predict it. Your example exploits the fact that L-block gets a certain percentage no matter what, which is a rare and unrealistic portrait of the way character strengths work. Imagine, rather, Link - Cloud - Tanner - Sam Fisher. Link beats Cloud, right? Now replace Tanner and Sam Fisher with Samus and Mario. Despite Link's fantastic ability to take overlap (hence the reason he's the most popular character), Samus and Mario have so much more overlap with Link than they do with Cloud, that they will be hurting Link more, despite Link's otherwise superior ability to win overlap than Cloud's. I could see Cloud beating Link here, which is a clear case of "SFF" in addition to "overlap". There is always overlap, SFF is a case of disproportionate overlap, as in my example above. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2008 9:01:01 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: Zack will beat Cecil by 4+%. Fact, although it won't be a blowout. But Cecil is far less popular than his game. I never hear any buzz about he himself being a popular character from the series. FACT or FICTION: Mewtwo will SFF Ness more than Mewtwo/Ness will SFF Pac-Man. Fiction. Even if Mewtwo and Ness aren't icons, SSB and Pokemon are big enough for a vast majority of this gamesite to know who they are. Maybe one of them by themselves wouldn't do that much to Pac-Man, but the two of them together shouldn't fare that well for Pac-Man. On the other side of things, there's nothing that indicates that SSB fans overwhelmingly would side with Mewtwo over Ness. Sure Pokemon is a bigger series than Earthbound, but still Ness has a ton of fans. I don't see too many of those hardcore Earthbound and Ness fans to abandon him just because Mewtwo is in the poll. Plus with them being the strongest characters in the polls, there is plenty of room for them both to get their share of votes. Even if they don't pound Pac-Man into the ground ala Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi, I don't see Mewtwo affecting Ness that much... FACT or FICTION: Liquid Snake stands a reasonable chance to upset Bowser/Luigi. Fiction. See above. Plenty of room for Bowser and Luigi to get their share of votes. It's already happened in plenty of polls before last contest with people of the same fanbase. As long as one doesn't significantly SFF the other, Liquid will be a solid third in that poll. FACT or FICTION: Mega Man X > Mega Man. Fiction. People act like MMX fans weren't voting for Mega Man before X got in the contest. Mega Man encompassed mostly all of the MM votes in past contests, as I highly doubt there were many MMX fans who were refusing to vote for him because he didn't get an MMX pic. Now if you're talking about for this contest, I think they will be about the same strength. If MM is hurt by MMX fans not voting for him, MMX would be hurt by the same reason. And really, even if MMX was a slightly more popular series based on that one poll, nothing indicates that those fans weren't fans of both series. They just had to pick one in that poll. Most likely, both MM and MMX retain the support of the full MM fanbase. FACT or FICTION: Link will SFF Shadow. Fiction. If anything if Shadow loses it's because he doesn't have as many hardcore fans as Kefka or Zack and Link's pure power limiting the amount of votes anybody can get causes him to lose. That isn't really SFF though, as it would all be due to someone else retaining core votes beyond what their 1-on-1 contest strength would indicate. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
