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| XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 9:20:31 AM | message detail |
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Samus > Mario was a horrible pick because it effectively killed my bracket. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 9:23:29 AM | message detail |
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come to think of it wasn't there a big crono bandwagon going on the year mario crushed Samus? --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/3/2008 9:28:15 AM | message detail |
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Mario also went on to flop against Seph whereas Samus would have pulled off the unthinkable. --- Moltar Status: =D Brawlin' - 4339-2157-7264 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2008 9:30:14 AM | message detail |
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Yes, because Crono easily beat Mario in 2004. Before the contest there
was a lot of discussion of a possible A>B>C>A loop with Crono
> Mario > Samus > Crono, with Mario getting rSFF on Samus. --- "Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." ~Chrono Cross Game Over Screen |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 9:30:24 AM | message detail |
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The final in 2005 was SUPPOSED to be Samus vs. Crono, according to
popular opinion. Crono had just owned Mario the year before and Samus
looked flatout dominant in most of her SC2K4 matches. People who say
Mario/Samus was "obvious" just got lucky because of the massive boost
Mario got. Samus may not have beaten Mario in 2004, but I guarantee you it wouldn't have been 60/40 Mario. It was NOT a bad pick. he cleanly beat Ganon in 2k6 (called this one...), demolished Zelda in the first round last year (...but this still burns!) Called them both! I even have Vincent winning easily against Zelda! I don't think someone like Zelda (who gets her popularity mostly off of name value) will do as well in a multiway poll because it takes a little more than name value to be strong with four characters. That's why I have Knux beating her in round 1 (with Mario's help, of course). --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 9:34:08 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 6 FINALS Squall Leonhart Yoshi Cloud Strife Mewtwo So we see Squall put into a similar situation to Auron last year, who still nearly managed to beat Ryu even though he was getting SFF’d by Cloud. Why can’t Squall do the same? I’ve got a few reasons why. For one, Cloud will SFF Squall harder, as has already been proven by the fact that both Squall and Auron have faced Cloud in the past. Cloud and Squall are as closely connected as two characters from different games can be, and so that will have an impact. Secondly, I believe Yoshi is stronger than Ryu anyway, so that makes more of an uphill battle for Squall. However, my boy does have a shot if Mewtwo can gimp Yoshi like he did with Bowser last year. Not banking on it though ‘cause he’d have to do more damage. Thirdly, I think Auron’s better with this format than Squall is. And if Sora’s here instead of Yoshi, you can forget it. Mewtwo’s getting through. Leonhart’s Pick: Cloud Strife > Yoshi --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 9:37:29 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 7 FINALS Master Chief Kirby Riku Dante This is an interesting hodgepodge of high midcard characters. Master Chief has already proven that he can beat Dante in this format, so that part is a no-brainer for me. The Chief should get first place here without TOO much trouble. I think Riku will be a bit out of his league against Kirby and Dante, though he should still do well. This is the dream match we’ve been waiting for since ertyu first revealed that he loves Dante and hates Kirby. Unfortunately, Dante’s probably going to advance, not that it won’t stop the board from rooting fervently for the pink puffball. I know I will be! Leonhart’s Pick: Master Chief > Dante --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 9:40:43 AM | message detail |
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DIVISION 8 FINALS Auron Sonic the Hedgehog Sephiroth Kratos Argh, this match ticks me off. Why is Auron being wasted yet again? This match is about as obvious as it gets now. Sephiroth will be hurt a little bit by Auron, but he’s still far enough out of Sonic’s league that it won’t cost him first place. Auron will be hurt too much to stay up there with Sonic, too. He still might be able to beat Kratos because Sephy won’t hurt him as much as Cloud did, and I think (though I know not everyone agrees) that Ryu’s still stronger than Kratos. Could be an interesting duel though. Leonhart’s Pick: Sephiroth > Sonic the Hedgehog --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 9:41:11 AM | message detail |
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Haha, I'm surprised you're not going with Kirby on that one, especially post-Brawl and the way he got screwed last year! he beat l-block come on --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 9/3/2008 9:42:59 AM | message detail |
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Hey question: Have we agreed that the SC2k7 X-stats are not to be trusted? (AKA: Trash) We've been through this before, but here we go again... The x-stats are a tool. Like any other tool, they're only helpful if you make proper use of them. Should you trust the 2007 stats with your life? I wouldn't suggest it. But I also think you're doing yourself a disservice by throwing them out completely. Just as in past years, for 2007 you have to look at someone's value, but then think back to where it came from. Yes Banjo looks like awful fodder, but where did that come from? (A triple LFFing by Fox/Wario/Falcon; in other words you shouldn't put much stock in it.) Yes Vincent looks very strong, but can that number be relied on? (Probably; he looked beastly up until getting crunched under Sephiroth.) '07 is no different from how badly you'd have been burned in '05 by trusting Ganon's raw number from the previous season- you've just got to take any x-stat value with a grain of salt and a hint of reasoning. HaR brings up a very good point BTW... why in the world haven't I implemented 4-way calculations yet? Hm... there's still two weeks before the first match, maybe it could come in handy if I got to it soon. --- Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 9:46:42 AM | message detail |
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How did you even figure out 2k7 stats? ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 4 DS |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 9:52:06 AM | message detail |
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/3/2008 12:20:31 PM (#451) Samus > Mario was a horrible pick because it effectively killed my bracket. Or because it was a completely moronic choice outright. Other than stat freaks, who the hell could ever think Samus beats MARIO. The main character of Metroid, a series no one outside of America cares about, against.... Mario. Brilliant choice there, stat people. Had that match been slated for 2002, no one in their right mind would have ever picked Samus. It's common sense, without some need for getting lucky with character boosts. You people would rather spend 900 posts making up phantom reasons for bad picks (Slowflake was the undisputed king of this) rather than just saying "Yeah that was stupid, go me". ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 4 DS |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 9:52:54 AM | message detail |
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Called Mario>Samus,Vincent>Ganondorf,now I call Zack>Shadow! --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| WarygonZ | Posted 9/3/2008 9:54:38 AM | message detail |
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UltimaterializerX (#462) Samus > Mario was a horrible pick because it effectively killed my bracket. Or because it was a completely moronic choice outright. Other than stat freaks, who the hell could ever think Samus beats MARIO. The main character of Metroid, a series no one outside of America cares about, against.... Mario. Brilliant choice there, stat people. Had that match been slated for 2002, no one in their right mind would have ever picked Samus. It's common sense, without some need for getting lucky with character boosts. You people would rather spend 900 posts making up phantom reasons for bad picks (Slowflake was the undisputed king of this) rather than just saying "Yeah that was stupid, go me". ~*ST*~ Now, Ulti, be fair to Samus pickers. In 2005 were the first contest, very few would have taken Samus over Ganondorf. Same with if Samus/Sonic 2004 were the first contest. Samus' contest strength just...doesn't make sense at times. >_> --- I am not a fake hedgehog. WarThaNemesis2 is on life support. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 9/3/2008 9:57:54 AM | message detail |
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Had that match been slated for 2002, no one in their right mind
would have ever picked Samus. It's common sense, without some need for
getting lucky with character boosts. As someone who picked Mario > Samus (and Crono), common sense only gets you so far. Remember how it was "common sense" in 2k3 that Luigi would beat Squall? Sticking with Squall, how about it being "common sense" that Magus would beat him in 2k5? If you use "common sense" to pick a bracket and ignore past performances, you're being a much bigger idiot than those who picked Samus > Mario. Samus looked cleanly stronger than Mario in 2k4 and it was damn close in 2k2 and 2k3. --- Mustache...and green... |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 9:59:44 AM | message detail |
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through common sense Mario should be stronger than Link. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 10:00:25 AM | message detail |
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Hey I promised to stop saying LOL, X-STATS in the stats topic. You
can't ask me to stop attacking blind Samus > Mario people on top of
that, especially when "People who say Mario/Samus was "obvious" just
got lucky because of the massive boost Mario got" is the prevalent
defense. It would be like me going on and on for three years about how
Squall > Knuckles > Magus was just blind luck, when in fact I was
just acting like a big dumbass leading up the Magus/Knuckles thing. It
happens. ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 4 DS |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2008 10:01:43 AM | message detail |
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/3/2008 12:57:54 PM (#465) As someone who picked Mario > Samus (and Crono), common sense only gets you so far. Remember how it was "common sense" in 2k3 that Luigi would beat Squall? Sticking with Squall, how about it being "common sense" that Magus would beat him in 2k5? Those last two example are still stat stuff. You could put Mario v Samus on a Metroid fansite and Mario would still win <_<;; ~*ST*~ --- MY BROTHERS WILL NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN! Now Playing: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 4 DS |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 10:06:10 AM | message detail |
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Talking about Banjo's match from last year, for all the LFF we've got
in this bracket, I wish we'd have afew more matches that had four
characters from essentially the same fanbase. Banjo's match was
probably the closest last year. This year's competition for that title
would probably be between Link/Mario/Samus/Crono (if he beats Vincent),
Mario/Bowser/Luigi/MMX (if Liquid can't pull the upset), or
Cloud/Squall/Sora/Mewtwo (if Yoshi chokes)...so only one of those is
probable. I would have liked seeing some of the SSBB-characters in the
contest duke it out in the first round for the right to LFF each other
into oblivion in the second round. King Dedede Diddy Kong Falco Sandbag Let those winners face, say, Solid Snake and Vivi afterward. Same goes with Square characters -- it would have been really fun watching Cloud/Mewtwo stand over Squall/Sora/Auron/Vincent and see who came from that melee (not to mention see how they did in comparison to dropping the bottom two for Cloud). --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| swirIdude | Posted 9/3/2008 10:07:00 AM | message detail |
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Well, uh, we got Sephiroth/Tifa! <.< --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 NOMINATE KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA! |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 10:39:52 AM | message detail |
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Ulti, you're being very...difficult. Common sense says Mario would have won the 2k2 contest, ESPECIALLY since he had a new game come out like a week before the championship; instead, he arguably cheated to get to the championship and he gets beat by Link worse than Samus...hell, Mario lost to Link harder than Mario beat Samus. Common sense says Pac-Man would beat Kefka, especially with such a terrible pic; instead, Kefka advanced. Common sense says MGS should have blown FFT out of the water; instead, we saw MGS win by only thirty-eight votes. Common sense says CATS should never ever EVER look respectable in a contest, especially as the fad grows older; instead, we've seen him outdo Ganondorf and compete with a villain from Kingdom Hearts. Common sense says Carl Johnson should have smacked Ness around, especially since GTA:SA was the best-received GTA game at the time; instead, Ness beat CJ worse than Jak. Common sense says Madden NFL is a popular video game series; instead, it suffered a murderous blow-out. Common sense says Bowser is more popular than Crono; instead, Crono shut Bowser down (Ulti-style). Common sense says L-Block should have been out of the contest no later than the second round last year; instead, it won the entire contest. You've been around long enough to see all of these, smart enough to know GameFAQs isn't based on common people's opinions, sly enough to use the advantage of our stat-work yet then complain about its exceptions, and hurt enough to STILL troll about being on the wrong side of the upset three years ago. You aren't any better than us just because you thought about taking Mario -- most of us did too. Shut up about it. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/3/2008 10:47:01 AM | message detail |
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If I recall in 2k5, UltimaterializerX's reasoning for picking Mario was
simply "it feels right even though it goes against all logic". Nice to
see him so confident in his pick after the fact. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 10:48:06 AM | message detail |
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| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2008 11:01:01 AM | message detail |
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As another witless dullard who happened to luck out with Mario in 2005,
I can tell you that all, or nearly all, of us Mario supporters simply
went with our gut instincts and hoped for the best. If you can't admit
to feeling nervous after Samus put up 70% on Frog, you're lying. --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/3/2008 11:04:41 AM | message detail |
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Really, there's ONE Mario > Samus backer that I give full props to
(don't remember who it was though). He actually laid out his logic
complete with block diagrams stating how even if Samus was stronger
than Mario, possibly due to Samus appealing more to the non-Nintendo
fanbase (Square, etc.), within the Nintendo fanbase, it was possible
that the Nintendo fanbase would side with Mario enough to overcome the
unshared portion of Samus's fanbase. And he was completely right, and backed it up. 99% of the rest of the Mario > Samus arguments mostly consisted of "I don't know, but it's friggin' Mario!". Almost NOBODY called for Samus to get SFF'd like that. In fact, most people pointed to her standing up to Link in 2k3. And as said before, Mario got stomped in 2k4 by Crono and never looked particularly good in the contests up to that point. He got destroyed by Sephiroth while Samus did better against Cloud the next year. It's not like you needed to do stat crunching to see any of that. You could come up with that just by following the contests. And it's not like Samus backers were saying it was a guaranteed victory. I just couldn't put any faith into picking Mario. Until 2k5, he always seemed like a disappointment in these contests. I simply don't see how you can call someone an idiot for picking Samus. You make yourself look like the bigger idiot. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 11:06:44 AM | message detail |
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HARRCHIN LAYIN' THE SMACKDOWN --- can you dig it? |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 11:20:21 AM | message detail |
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I see Ulti had Mario > Samus now, but you also had Crono > Mario
that same year. My bad, but that's still weaving in and out of common
sense and CS&D-sense Ulti, so there's no excuses for the way you're
acting; you're just being selective for the sake of trying to rile us
up AGAIN. It's like you're literally trying to outdo BT with the way
you gloat about some of your blindest successes and ignore the logic
these topics are for. If the Ulti you are now made the topics you
insisted to make time and time again years ago, you would have been
booed out for your immaturity. You're both an icon who largely made your name off of this topic and actively against the direction this topic has always tried to go, a direction where we constantly look for the answers from facts and logic instead of just gut feelings and common sense -- why else do you think the Gurus and BOP have always done SO much better than the average GameFAQs bracket? Mario was the exception and all you can do is hold it over our heads. I know it's made other people mad, and I'm frankly tired of it. What else do you even do here now Ulti? You come here to complain about stats and Mario/Samus and drastically change the opening post for the CS&D topics while ignoring other people's good suggestions for a new template (like Ngamer's), and you've gone on to make a ridiculous extreme of a point to say SSBM > SSBB out of the topic. What else do you even do on Board 8 anymore? You're married and I think out of college; don't tell me trolling is your hobby with your spare time now. You've been good to me in the past and you aren't stupid, but I don't think you're even a shell of your former self...and I think you're actively choosing to be like that. I've seen you be rational before. You're just killing me man. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 11:21:30 AM | message detail |
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Really, there's ONE Mario > Samus backer that I give full props
to (don't remember who it was though). He actually laid out his logic
complete with block diagrams stating how even if Samus was stronger
than Mario, possibly due to Samus appealing more to the non-Nintendo
fanbase (Square, etc.), within the Nintendo fanbase, it was possible
that the Nintendo fanbase would side with Mario enough to overcome the
unshared portion of Samus's fanbase. And he was completely right, and
backed it up. Yes, that was me, sir. *bows* I might even still have that stupid paint picture I made. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2008 11:24:04 AM | message detail |
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Haha, I was thinking somebody went to extremes to prove that upset with graphs...I should have known it would be you. =P --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2008 11:24:26 AM | message detail |
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I thought you had Hayabusa > Samus! --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2008 11:25:05 AM | message detail |
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(I just searched the 2K5 bracket for Jill Valentine to make it an even better joke) --- Yoblazer: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 11:28:44 AM | message detail |
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Damn... I must've hosted that one on imageshack. Too bad... classic overanalysis history, that was. And man, I had Hayabusa > Samus in 2004. Of course I also had SF Ryu > Sonic and Mario > Sephiroth (anti-championship votes...!) in the finals that year so uhhh... yeah, I had no idea what I was doing that year! --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 9/3/2008 11:37:43 AM | message detail |
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Wow HaR, that's quite the rant. I'm not going to touch the rest of that
post with a 10 foot pole (if there's one thing that's been discussed
beyond exhaustion on this board it's Melee/Brawl, and if there's two
then it's M/B and Mario/Samus), but Ulti did
take some of my suggestions for the first post template, including the
"Say What?" explanations for SFF and stuff. There were a couple things
about my version of the template that I preferred, but really, I have
no objections to the stripped down version that Ulti went with, and
it's definitely a big improvement over what we were using before. --- Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly. |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 11:38:49 AM | message detail |
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yep,the year lopen doesn't make a crazy sounding pick worth tons of
points that let's him survive far longer than you'd expect is the day
the universe will implode. But patterns are starting to emerge in your pick that make em less surprising,you need to freshen up your game and be really ambitious. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 11:41:36 AM | message detail |
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oh and the big H's rant just there just seems like something you don't really want to argue with. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 11:44:20 AM | message detail |
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Well I might have some surprising pattern breaking ones this year..
it's just never very topical since everyone in this topic is obsessed
with round one...! We'll see! I still haven't even finalized my bracket
yet... this bracket is quite confusing, quite confusing indeed. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 11:51:27 AM | message detail |
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CONTEST QUARTERFINALS MATCH 1 Link Shadow the Hedgehog Mario Mega Man X Depending on what Mega Man X does in the previous match (say, if he beats Mario), this could be interesting. Link is the obvious winner of this match, but what will he do with Mario there? Mario seemed to stand up rather well against Link last year, but the possibility of LFF is very real. Of course, looking back on Link/Mega Man 2004, the possibility of him LFFing X is out there, too. Shadow might be fortunate to get 10-11% here, if he could only manage 13% last year against a fourpack not quite this stacked. I’m rooting for Zack to make it this far, believe me! Leonhart’s Pick: Link > Mario --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/3/2008 11:54:48 AM | message detail |
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Hey! I had Mario > Samus out of logic, damnit. I remember preaching
to Heroic Mario before the bracket was even ANNOUNCED, that Mario could
win it all, if he got put in favorable position against someone that he
could SFF(Samus), and then had to face Crono in the finals, arguing
that if Crono could turn around his deficit on Mario, there's no reason
Mario couldn't do the same. And I was ****ing right. The match that killed me though was Link/Cloud. God help me why did I take Cloud. --- Where there are RKOs, there will always be ExThaNemesis. Arsenal FC 2-0-1 Pts: 6 Pos: 4th |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2008 11:56:24 AM | message detail |
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CONTEST QUARTERFINALS MATCH 2 Samus Aran Vincent Valentine Crono Ryu Man, two straight quarterfinals appearances for Ryu will be a great thing if the L-Block doesn’t mess everything up! Unfortunately, like last year’s quarterfinals match, he’ll probably get last place, but he should manage to get more than the 11.54% he got last year! Ryu is still the only other major contest character other than Squall I’ve never voted against, too! But that’s neither here nor there. The big story is the repeat of last year’s big showdown between Vincent and Crono. Samus is going to get first place here now that major Nintendo characters are out of the way. Some people claim that SNES LFF held Crono back last year, but I personally don’t believe it. If it was, it was very minor. Vincent just looked better than Crono last year (Compare Vinny’s 1st round match to Crono’s 2nd round match and tell me which is more impressive). Even with CTDS around, I don’t think it’ll be enough. Crisis Core boost to counterbalance all that! (Just kidding!) Leonhart’s Pick: Samus Aran > Vincent Valentine --- Squall Leonhart's Path to the CBVII Championship Round 1: CATS, Nathan Drake, Yoshi |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 11:56:27 AM | message detail |
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you got a point lopen,round 1 and the semis are heavily debated but
there's been little talk about the middle rounds,Bowser&luigi's
probably the most discussed thing. division one's got some interesting stuff in round 2. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 11:57:14 AM | message detail |
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So as I understand it... LFF is used to describe SFF in four way matches? I originally thought that LFF was used to describe the weakening of the stronger character while they're exerting their force to SFF. "Link is being LFFed by Mario" "Mario is being SFFed by Link" Now when people analyze such matches (not just you Leonhart but you made me think about it) they're saying both LFF each other. Let's just go back to SFF who invented this LFF nonsense anyway. That is what Ulti should be trolling this topic about! --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| voltch | Posted 9/3/2008 11:58:21 AM | message detail |
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I think it was creative who introduced the LFF concept. --- Del Boy:He who dares, wins! |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 9/3/2008 12:21:13 PM | message detail |
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LFF makes sense, and really only applies in 4-ways. I never heard about
it before last years bracket. It's used to describe when a fanbase is
getting split, and thus opening up the door for a weaker character than
the two (or three) getting LFFed to win. SFF is of course, when the
fanbase vastly favors one over the other. --- can you dig it? |
| MnMZero | Posted 9/3/2008 1:28:47 PM | message detail |
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LFF only shows up in 4-way polls even
though it exists intrinsically in SFF matches. I guess it's a subfactor
of SFF as it involves the same fanbase, but it's not the same
phenomenon. In traditional SFF matches, everyone has to vote
for one of the 2 characters, even if they aren't part of said
characters' fanbase due to them being the only two options. The only
other option is to not vote, which is pretty much the reason why SFF
matches had less votes. In 4-way matches, those voters do have other options, so the pool of potential votes becomes smaller and
the characters have to contend with sharing those votes with another
character even if neither character has an SFF advantage. The fact that
those outside votes now can go to other characters instead of simply
being no votes and/or being forced votes for one of the two SFF
characters is why LFF is a separate term for that instance. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| Lopen | Posted 9/3/2008 1:30:59 PM | message detail |
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I still think it's redundant. People say "it's a SFF match" sometimes
when the fanbase doesn't favor one over another. eg "Squall vs Vincent
is a SFF match." When one entrant is strongly favored amongst the
fanbase, you say it is SFFing the other. eg "Dante is SFFing Link" (...
what? Yes I know that's not a SFF match shush!) You could just say "they're SFFing each other" since they're both making each other look weaker than they should rather than "LFF." Yes, this isn't important, I know. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=447724041 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 9/3/2008 1:40:58 PM | message detail |
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It's redundant in terms of having a match between characters from the
same fanbase- saying "this will be an LFF match" is the same as saying
"this will be an SFF match". And it's redundant in terms of explaining
why Banjo looked so bad- "he got SFFed" is the same as saying "he got
LFFed." But it is NOT redundant in explaining why Link was defeated by Cloud in the Link/Cloud/Mario/Samus match- that could only happen because "Link got LFFed." --- Hot Content: thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/3/2008 1:42:23 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I may call Squall/Vincent an SFF-match every now and then
although that's not the right term. It is a match with very similar
fanbases, but there's no real factor to compensate for in it. I
wouldn't call it an LFF-match either because no weaker characters are
taking advantage of them splitting the fanbase (plus the term just
doesn't make sense one-on-one)... ...so, uh, it's just Square-on-Square action. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/3/2008 1:46:22 PM | message detail |
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| ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/3/2008 1:46:29 PM | message detail |
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| SecksThaNemesis | Posted 9/3/2008 1:46:41 PM | message detail |
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