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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 558

transience | Posted 8/27/2008 10:21:50 PM | message detail
well I guess ZX and those had it but I think of the classic and X series when I see this poll
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 10:26:45 PM | message detail
Aside from the MMBN games I can't really think of anything off the top of my head that doesn't have doors like that then again I'm not really up to date on the newer MMs uh oh time to use a search engine then
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/27/2008 10:28:02 PM | message detail
There were exactly 15 characters from the Final Fantasy series in the contest this year, meaning that last year's assumed series cap of 15 is still in play. Lame. Explains what happens to Yuna and Rikku, though.

Super Smash Bros. has 30 something characters

It's silly for there to be any sort of cap since the only series it would affect is Final Fantasy.
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voltch | Posted 8/27/2008 10:32:12 PM | message detail
who the hell used a poll with 34k to prove vincent has a vocal fanbase,that poll is uber obsolete.

Tifa is a main character,as such i believe she can resist sff much better.
i reckon Tifa's stronger than most people think,C.C has been tossed in favour of Z,but i really do think the VII crew will boost.
Sephiroth will not SFF Tifa into the ground,i actually reckon vincent lost plenty more votes because FFVII fans tried to put Sephiroth as close as possible to Link.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 10:32:24 PM | message detail
Okay apparently there's a series called "Star Force" which is the spiritual successor to Battle Network or something I don't know

...yeah this poll aside my faith in MM is not being rekindled without some kind of stupid performance by MM9.
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transience | Posted 8/27/2008 10:38:10 PM | message detail
I believe in Mega Man a little bit. not that it matters since the paths are pretty damn obvious, but still.
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ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 10:39:21 PM | message detail
Sephiroth will not SFF Tifa into the ground,i actually reckon vincent lost plenty more votes because FFVII fans tried to put Sephiroth as close as possible to Link.

i believe

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 10:54:23 PM | message detail
Well there's um um um Mega Man X argh damn you fourways
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transience | Posted 8/27/2008 10:56:35 PM | message detail
the only match of note though is the Luigi/Bowser one. after that it's link and mario to lay the smack down
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 11:01:38 PM | message detail
Well if MMX is stronger than MM to the degree that one poll implied

and MMX holds up about as well to Link-destruction as Mario

and if Lucario somehow gets through thus causing massive Ninty and 'ario' LFF

then I'll probably wake up shortly afterward hmm
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ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 11:03:37 PM | message detail
mmx has to face the link killer no chance

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voltch | Posted 8/28/2008 2:16:13 AM | message detail
today's poll is quite favourable for MM,trust Sine to help us out so close to contest time.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2008 2:25:02 AM | message detail
Were people really expecting like a 50% not played option or something? The fact that MM could surpass the mark that I assume tranny said in jest earlier isn't exactly encouraging!
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transience | Posted 8/28/2008 2:26:13 AM | message detail
I didn't say it in jest! that's just how Mega Man rolls. he's the new Crono. has been since last year.
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transience | Posted 8/28/2008 2:27:36 AM | message detail
but really, what were you expecting? 85% to have played Mega Man? I would have expected 75%ish. this isn't awful or anything. I also don't think it really means much of anything. I bet if you made a poll about Sonic, it wouldn't be all that much higher. and Crono's probably down in the low 60s at this point, if that.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2008 2:30:34 AM | message detail
but really, what were you expecting? 85% to have played Mega Man? I would have expected 75%ish.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2179

I expected a little more than the game whose protagonist MM handled for years before TRAILERFEAR !!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2008 2:34:13 AM | message detail
And yeah Crono's game has bottom-barrel play here, but it always has been. It has compensated because its favorite index is through the roof - the people that play it, love it.

This is also why I expect CTDS to pull some wonders for him if it's received well...
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Calintares | Posted 8/28/2008 3:32:08 AM | message detail
Out of all the matches, how many will not contain any SSB characters?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/28/2008 3:34:43 AM | message detail
10 matches in Round 1 do not contain SSB characters.

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Calintares | Posted 8/28/2008 3:52:53 AM | message detail
I took a look at my own bracket, and there I counted 12 matches where there was no SSB characters.

12 out of 63.

51 of the matches are likely to have SSB characters in them

that's insane.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2008 5:36:07 AM | message detail
Well, it helps when 5 of the Noble Niners are Smash Bros. characters now.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2008 6:32:39 AM | message detail
Todays poll is pissing me off. How has 30% of the site not played a Mega Man game? Seems kids these days would rather play **** like Grand Crap Auto and Wii ****.

****ing kids....
drunktheftauto | Posted 8/28/2008 7:11:57 AM | message detail
maybe you need to relax
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2008 7:45:04 AM | message detail
BT's upset because this poll doesn't do anything for his Mega Man contest fanboyism!
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2008 7:47:38 AM | message detail
I think Squall/Aeris/Akuma's match last year is an excellent comparison, as suggested earlier. Sephiroth >> Squall, Tifa > Aeris, Sephiroth/Tifa have much more overlap than Squall/Aeris, and Kratos >> Akuma.

I do think there's a chance Sephiroth could **** up Kratos and/or Revolver, but Tifa's definitely gonna take it like her name was Aeris.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/28/2008 7:52:17 AM | message detail
I dunno, 25% of the site not playing any MM game jumps out to me at first glance. I don't even see how that's possible in terms of sheer oversaturation!

Adding up the sales of every MM game ever results in something like 28 million sold worldwide. That really doesn't come close to some of the bigger series out there (Resident Evil, Donkey Kong, Sonic).
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voltch | Posted 8/28/2008 8:10:02 AM | message detail
ya know i've been thinking(which ain't never a good thing since i only end up rambling)

people auto assume sephiroth's gonna pound Tifa,
now i reckon one on one Sephiroth/Tifa ends up like Cloud/Sephiroth,a relative 55/45,that's just enough for someone like Snake to sneak through like in the battle royale.
but thing is i don't think Kratos can take advantage of this,i think he'd fall just short of the mark.
Also I think Vincent is kinda like Samus,he's indirectly stronger than most but i think he's also more suceptible(sp?) to SFF than Tifa,which would explain why he got hammered,also if you add in Vincent and Seph's percentages it's high than Link's,so i'm sticking with my theory of FF fans ditching Vincent to try and have Sephiroth upset Link.

I think that since Sephiroth is a villain i find it somewhat harder to believe he could SFF a main character to death,since i think he also split the cool factor with Vincent making the vampire lose the cool vote.
But Tifa is rubbed in your face from start to finish,is playable on the world map for a while has pulled in some decent performances in Contests before,has AC,KHII effects which i guess haven't totally gone yet and CC(haven't played it but she must be in it).

i see Tifa edging Kratos by around the margin Vincent beat crono or Snake beat Sephiroth.
omewhere in between,nothing in it but still just enough.

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2008 8:19:06 AM | message detail
Again I point to a hypthetical Bowser/Peach matchup, or Ganondorf/Zelda. In both cases, the girl would get pounded into the ground. There's just some cases where a villain has way more personality or popularity than the female lead. If Sephy can beat the crap out of a fan favourite like Vincent, he's going to beat Tifa into the ground.
Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2008 8:20:43 AM | message detail
And Mega Man fanboyism aside, 30% of the site not playing a single game is just disgusting. That's like 30% of the site never playing a Sonic or Mario game. Mega Man has been one of the biggest gaming franchises since the NES days.

Although this poll really does explain how he went from being 50/50 with Sephiroth to getting beat by Snake/Crono
swirIdude | Posted 8/28/2008 8:21:46 AM | message detail
The specific relation between the villain and a female lead is irrelevant to the Sephiroth/Tifa discussion. That said, there shouldn't even BE any discussion on this. Sephiroth was able to embarass Vincent, it only makes sense he would do the same to Tifa.
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voltch | Posted 8/28/2008 8:29:18 AM | message detail
I actually think Zelda could reak 40 on Ganondorf,if he gets a terrible pic make that 45.
Also Tifa is playable from near start to end.
I'm going with what my sig says on this one(though del boy always ends up seeing his scams fall apart).
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2008 8:33:33 AM | message detail
Of course Bowser should pound Peach, and I'm not so confident in Ganon beating or especially smashing Zelda...but neither are relevant. The most important thing to know is Sephiroth has already shown he can decimate Vincent...so -- even if Tifa has less in common with Sephiroth than Vincent does -- she should be blasted even worse comparatively since she's weaker than Vincent, did far worse in the FF7-poll than Vincent, and doesn't have her own game to stand on. Kratos and Revolver are neither Mario or Link, but they certainly won't need to be.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118
HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2008 8:38:33 AM | message detail
...I should say Kratos won't need to be. Revolver could stand to be a bit stronger if he wants to beat Tifa!
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ffmasterjose | Posted 8/28/2008 8:42:36 AM | message detail
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/28/2008 8:47:00 AM | message detail
Samus
Ganon
Vincent
Scorpion

Could Ganon leach Samus enough for Vincent to pass by?
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MnMZero | Posted 8/28/2008 8:53:03 AM | message detail
I still don't see why everyone is insisting that Sephiroth SFF'd the hell out of Vincent. Did Sephiroth get some kind of percentage that seemed out of whack in relation to Link and Mario's percentages? Last I checked, I think not. Link still edges out Sephiroth, and Sephiroth still beats the hell out of Mario. I think Vincent's percentage is more due to him being that much weaker than the combined force of Sephiroth, Mario, and Link in a 4-way poll. But again, I'm turning into a broken record. People obviously don't agree with me...
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2008 8:57:26 AM | message detail
Last time we saw Ganon/Samus, there didn't seem to be much SFF at all. Then again, it is hard to judge since we really don't have ANY good idea on where Samus should be.
voltch | Posted 8/28/2008 8:59:28 AM | message detail
oh and in the vent of Link/Cloud/Mario/Snake final who do you pick?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2008 9:06:29 AM | message detail
Did Sephiroth get some kind of percentage that seemed out of whack in relation to Link and Mario's percentages? Last I checked, I think not.

I guess not, but 9.85% for Vincent seems REALLY low, in spite of the competition. I mean, he's getting more than doubled by Mario, who's probably being affected by Link somehow. Besides, that match has double LFF in it. I don't know if you can draw any sort of reasonable conclusion from it. All four competitors were being affected in some way, most likely.

Also, I haven't seen much, if any, discussion about Squall/Yoshi/Sora/Fox. I think that's the biggest second round match (based on what's in my bracket anyway). Who does everyone have? I have Squall/Sora. Those two didn't seem to affect each other last year, and there's plenty of reason to believe Yoshi and Fox will affect each other. Plus, I doubt Sora's that far off from Yoshi anyway. Still, Sora's performance after Aeris left kinda concerns me. Don't really know what to think.

And does anyone think Mario SFFs Zelda enough for Knux to get by?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 8/28/2008 9:08:44 AM | message detail
What do you guys think of Pacman or Ness in the first round?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2008 9:09:45 AM | message detail
I've got Ness, though I think Pac-Man has a good shot of sneaking through. PSI-boy has shown susceptibility to heavy SFF in the past, and while Pac-Man has, too, he shouldn't be affected by anyone else in the poll.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/28/2008 9:19:07 AM | message detail
oh and in the vent of Link/Cloud/Mario/Snake final who do you pick?

Cloud > Snake. Mario doesn't get SFF'd into the ground anymore ;)
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2008 9:54:52 AM | message detail
I like Squall > Yoshi. I disagree about Squall and Sora not affecting each other by virtue of their third round match last year (even if Sora beat Sub-Zero, Squall/Sora had a huge gap between them that I don't think is natural), and the gap from Fox to Yoshi is almost certainly bigger than the gap from Sora to Squall. If Nintendo only gets, say, 46%, Yoshi's still going to have at least 23% (and most likely more than that) now that SMG (even if he's not in it), SSBB, and MKW are the last three big releases for the Wii. Sora will have a hard time outdoing that with Squall in the mix. Sora's going to have a superior in his match while Yoshi will have an inferior, and Sora/Yoshi are close as is. I like Yoshi's chances, and his games EASILY have the advantage of momentum.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/28/2008 9:59:31 AM | message detail
I had Sora at first but after thinking I don't think he has a prayer. It's too bad really. Cloud/Squall/Sora/Mewtwo would have been amazing.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/28/2008 10:01:49 AM | message detail
Yoshi - 30.79%
Squall - 30.52%
Sora - 24.89%
Fox - 13.80%

Off the top.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/28/2008 10:04:59 AM | message detail
Could Ganon leach Samus enough for Vincent to pass by?

doubt it. Vincent was never really that close to Samus last year by looking at some matches.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/28/2008 10:06:06 AM | message detail
think Vincent's percentage is more due to him being that much weaker than the combined force of Sephiroth, Mario, and Link in a 4-way poll.

i don't think that's the case after how he beat Crono. it's pretty clear he was mostly SFF'd but to what extent seems to be the debate. I think the extent is rather large seeing how I'm sure Crono would have done much, much better in that position.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/28/2008 10:06:32 AM | message detail
It helps that Vincent is the only Square character in that match. Samus > Vincent > Ganon.

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red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2008 10:15:25 AM | message detail
I think the extent is rather large seeing how I'm sure Crono would have done much, much better in that position.

Indeed. Does anyone think Crono would get doubled by S/LFF'd Mario?
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MnMZero | Posted 8/28/2008 10:15:52 AM | message detail
I guess not, but 9.85% for Vincent seems REALLY low, in spite of the competition. I mean, he's getting more than doubled by Mario, who's probably being affected by Link somehow. Besides, that match has double LFF in it. I don't know if you can draw any sort of reasonable conclusion from it. All four competitors were being affected in some way, most likely.

But then that's why I'm pointing at the ratio between Seph, Mario, and Link not appearing out of whack at all. Mario and Link's votes take up 60% of the poll, which makes since due to Vincent being that much weaker. And Sephiroth's vote relationship with Link and Mario line up close to what they should be. There's nothing that really indicates that Vincent is suffering more due to Sephiroth than simply being in a poll with 3 characters much stronger than him.
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