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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 558
| swirIdude | Posted 8/27/2008 5:07:39 PM | message detail |
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They couldn't even recognize Samus and Snake ...when did this happen? --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 NOMINATE KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 5:09:10 PM | message detail |
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ZSS/Every Solid **** pic --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2008 5:17:00 PM | message detail |
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seriously, comparing Sephiroth/Kratos to Sephiroth/Tifa is just silly. Not when Tifa is stronger than Kratos... And really you missed the main point I was talking about. That poll is basically going to be Sephiroth taking a huge chunk, and Tifa/Kratos/Ocelot fighting for the scraps. Kratos isn't going to be pulling 30%+ in that poll or anything of the sort. If you think Sephiroth is going to SFF Tifa into the ground, then yes Kratos is the logical choice. But I don't necessarily think that's going to happen. Even then, look at last year's poll with Vincent. Link 36.42% Sephiroth 31.48% Mario 22.24% Vincent 9.85% First of all, Sephiroth is going to get much more than he did in this match simple by virtue of Kratos/Ocelot/Tifa being much weaker than Link/Mario/Vincent. He should be getting 45-50% easily in that match. Kratos doesn't have much room to work with even if Sephiroth "SFFs" Tifa by as much as he apparently did to Vincent. And remember, this is Vincent in a poll with Sephy, Link, and Mario. He wasn't apt to get much of that vote regardless of SFF. Tifa's going to get more than Vincent did in that match even if she is a bit weaker than Vincent due to Link/Mario >> Kratos/Ocelot. So basically, the only way Kratos beats Tifa handily in this matchup is if Ocelot is pure ass. If Ocelot shows up in this match, then Kratos is going to sweat a bit. If Tifa also avoids getting significantly SFF'd, then Kratos is in for a fight. Remember, the percentages won't be that big due to Sephiroth taking such a huge chunk of it. There really won't be much room to work with. Kratos should be the favorite, but it certainly won't be a walk in the park. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| MadGamer_11 | Posted 8/27/2008 5:30:50 PM | message detail |
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Pikachu going to the quarterfinals... BOOK'D --- "To be forgotten is worse than death"-Freya FFIX Super Smash Bros Brawl Code: 2105 8311 6321 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/27/2008 6:00:24 PM | message detail |
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I think there's two matches to consider when talking about Kratos and Tifa: Cloud: 49.59% Ryu: 20.25% Auron: 18.16% Marcus: 12% Snake: 32.44% L-Block: 28.63% Kratos: 20.91% Riku: 18.02% The first match should be pretty close to the percentages we see - Sephy in the high 40s and Ocelot in the low teens leaves ~40% for Kratos and Tifa to fight over. The second match is iffy because of L's presence, but it's a match that Kratos pulled 21% in, which roughly equates to what he needs. So I guess the questions that can be drawn from those matches are: 1) How does Cloud/Auron (an SFF match we've seen twice) compare to Sephiroth/Tifa? 2) Is the gap between Tifa and Kratos bigger than that between Auron and Ryu? 3) Which is the stronger competition: Snake/L/Riku or Seph/Tifa/Ocelot? --- Mustache...and green... |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2008 6:04:33 PM | message detail |
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Fact or Fiction: ZSS doesn't hinder Samus this year because of Brawl. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2008 6:08:12 PM | message detail |
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1) Cloud/Auron wouldn't have NEARLY the overlap as Seph/Tifa would. Not
only that, but Auron is a well liked character from a different game on
a different system. Cloud was hurting him, but not by as much as Sephy
will hurt Tifa, someone who basically rode her game to power. Think of
this match as what would happen if we ever saw Bowser/Peach 2) I would say the gap between Tifa and Kratos is bigger than between Auron and Ryu. I think Auron 52/48s Tifa while Ryu would probably 55/45 Kratos 3) Snake <= Seph, L (in that match) would probably be stronger than Tifa percentage wise, and Riku >>> Ocelot so I'd say Snake's group was a bit stronger, though that depends on where you think Snake is in relation to Sephy, and how much you think Ocelot will boost this year. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2008 6:09:30 PM | message detail |
| I doubt ZSS will even show up this year, but she would still probably be hurt to some degree. Though it would probably be closer to Snake/Solid **** levels as opposed to Link/Cel Link levels. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 6:13:07 PM | message detail |
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Think of this match as what would happen if we ever saw Bowser/Peach Here's a terrible comparison. Tifa is *not* a Peach. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2008 6:17:12 PM | message detail |
| Yeah, I don't get why everyone is suddenly
depicting Tifa as SFF fodder that nobody cares about. She's always had
her share of fans. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 6:19:36 PM | message detail |
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Agreeing with mnm on this one, too. Kratos should be - and is - the
favorite, but this 10%+ stuff ain't going to happen. Tifa and Kratos
are going to be fighting for whatever percentage Sephiroth is going to
leave to them. RPGuy lays it out pretty well. Favorable to Kratos, to be sure, but nothing Tifa can't pull out. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/27/2008 6:23:54 PM | message detail |
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looks like I underestimated Sephiroth and overestimated Kratos, based on that Cloud/Ryu/Auron match. still, Tifa is at Auron's level while Kratos is probably at Ryu's, and Tifa/Sephiroth have even more overlap than Cloud/Auron. given that Ryu still beat Auron despite these circumstances, I'd say Tifa has a pretty big hill to climb to beat Kratos. I would be surprised if Kratos was losing at any point beyond the first 10 minutes. --- xyzzy |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2008 6:31:59 PM | message detail |
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I disagree with Kratos being on Ryu's level.... --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 6:33:34 PM | message detail |
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| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 6:36:18 PM | message detail |
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I'd agree with the levels - Tifa is up there with Auron, Kratos is around Ryu. It all depends on the severity of the SFF. The thing is, Sephiroth is no Cloud when it comes to dishing it out. We've seen what a monster Cloud is when he meets other Square characters, and I don't think Sephiroth would be able to do the same. But you could argue that's offset by the fact that it's FFVII SFF instead of FFVII/FFX - though I'd question if there's really that big of a difference. Either way, I can see a similar gap to Auron/Ryu; whoever wins won't do it all that convincingly. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2008 6:46:09 PM | message detail |
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Nah, I still give Ryu the edge over Kratos in a direct matchup
(52-55%), and I certainly don't think Kratos has as core of a fanbase
as Ryu. Put Kratos in Ryu's spot last year and I can't see him doing as
well as Ryu did. I wouldn't put Kratos past Bowser in Rd 2... --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/27/2008 6:56:16 PM | message detail |
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for whatever it's worth.. Cloud Strife 72.2% 81716 Auron 27.8% 31470 TOTAL VOTES 113186 Cloud Strife 76.21% 68050 Squall Leonhart 23.79% 21240 TOTAL VOTES 89290 I don't think we need to question what's closer to Cloud, FF8/KH or FF10. now, add in that it's from the same game, and you've got an even worse situation for Tifa to overcome. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 7:03:17 PM | message detail |
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Point taken with FFVII / FFX. But again, this isn't Cloud we're talking about - it's Sephiroth. He's going to dish out some SFF, no doubts there, but he doesn't have that same kind of vote sucking power that Cloud does. Now that's probably offset by the fact that they come from the same game, but we can't just look at Cloud and go from there. Auron 32.3% 26356 Sephiroth 67.7% 55252 TOTAL VOTES 81608 --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/27/2008 7:07:40 PM | message detail |
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Don't forget this: Auron 32.3% 26356 Sephiroth 67.7% 55252 TOTAL VOTES 81608 That and Auron/Cloud predicts that Seph gets 43.03% on Cloud, which is too low - not only did Seph hold up better than that against Cloud (44%), direct matches against Link in the ToC in 2005 predict that Sephiroth manages 47.37%. So it appears that Cloud SFF'd Auron a fair amount more than Sephiroth did. --- Mustache...and green... |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/27/2008 7:08:32 PM | message detail |
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Yeah I was just going to say, don't forget that Sephiroth has a harder
time dishing out quality SFF beatings than spiky does. However, the
whole same-game SFF is what puts Kratos through in my book. --- Where there are RKOs, there will always be ExThaNemesis. Arsenal FC 1-0-1 Pts: 3 Pos: long way back |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2008 7:09:16 PM | message detail |
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Dammit RPGuy, I was posting the EXACT SAME THING --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/27/2008 7:10:09 PM | message detail |
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Holy Christ at 2003's vote totals. Just god damn. --- Where there are RKOs, there will always be ExThaNemesis. Arsenal FC 1-0-1 Pts: 3 Pos: long way back |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2008 7:10:21 PM | message detail |
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Dammit, ExTha beat me and HM beat everybody grrahhhh damn this work laptop --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/27/2008 7:20:09 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth has always been a weird beast. but when it comes to SFF, all
I have to do is look at Sephiroth/Vincent from last year to determine
how I think the match will go. I guess you can say that Vincent is more
like Sephiroth than Tifa is, but I still expect it to be a pretty bad
beatdown, and for Kratos to easily take second place. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 7:22:05 PM | message detail |
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That, and there was no real chance for Vincent to do well against that competition. Sephiroth SFF just made things worse. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/27/2008 7:29:13 PM | message detail |
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I dare you to find a situation where there was some SFF involved and
didn't end up affecting the result in some way - either in a
lower-than-expected win (Aeris/Akuma, for example) or a loss
(Kirby/Kratos/L, for example). actually, Squall/Aeris/Akuma kind of
shows what can happen with SFF. Akuma is no Kratos, to say the least. even if the match went as stats projected, I'd still expect both Sephiroth and Tifa to suffer due to the fact that the other choices are more independent. --- xyzzy |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 7:38:14 PM | message detail |
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Stick Kratos in Vincent's spot - how do you think he does? Or take
Sephiroth out and put in Snake. Vincent's not going to do *that* well
no matter what. The top of the noble nine is a whole different beast
from the bottom. But yeah, I'm not arguing there wasn't SFF. Just that
SFF wasn't the only factor at play in that poor performance. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 8/27/2008 7:38:35 PM | message detail |
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i double dog dare you haha suck it hm --- can you dig it? |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/27/2008 7:40:33 PM | message detail |
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I dunno, 10%? Ryu was in a similar situation - albeit with weaker competition, but still Noble Nine dudes - and he got 12%. --- xyzzy |
| MadGamer_11 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:15:40 PM | message detail |
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Wow I can't believe we're still discussing this match. Tifa>Kratos
no doubt in my mind honestly. Tifa is a member of the most popular game
plus has TJF on her side. Sure she may get hurt a bit from SFF from
Sephy but Sephy is really not that good as SFF as you all are making
him out to be. Kratos really hasn't proven anything... Everyone is
making seem like a powerhouse for some reason... --- "To be forgotten is worse than death"-Freya FFIX Super Smash Bros Brawl Code: 2105 8311 6321 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:20:07 PM | message detail |
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Wow I can't believe we're still discussing this match. hello welcome to zack stats and discussion enjoy your stay --- Gilgamesh didn't make the bracket this year. Shame on you. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| MadGamer_11 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:21:51 PM | message detail |
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Well I think Zack is a lot more interesting to be honest. But the whole
Kratos/Tifa thing is ONE match jesus. I would rather discuss what Zack
can or cannot do. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death"-Freya FFIX Super Smash Bros Brawl Code: 2105 8311 6321 |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 9:21:57 PM | message detail |
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so about zack let's say he's vincent level... --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:23:24 PM | message detail |
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And on the issue of Kratos, he got 43% on Ryu with just the original
God of War. He's had a much more successful sequel and that PSP thing
since then. Kratos will have some nice strength, there's no doubt about
that. --- Gilgamesh didn't make the bracket this year. Shame on you. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| MadGamer_11 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:24:42 PM | message detail |
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I also have another thing to say actually. Which has to do with Final
Fantasy IV. Kain, Rydia and Cecil are all nominated. That's three
characters from the game and no other FF has more characters than that
other than 7 I guess with Zack. So maybe... just MAYBE these guys are
stronger than we're giving them credit for. I mean if three characters
were able to get nominated from a game then it's got to have a pretty
decent fanbase. Anyways that's all I really wanted to say about that...
Just don't be surprised if at least one of these characters makes it
past the first round... --- "To be forgotten is worse than death"-Freya FFIX Super Smash Bros Brawl Code: 2105 8311 6321 |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 9:25:43 PM | message detail |
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That's generally not an indicator of anything. what's up tales --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:26:07 PM | message detail |
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No, FF4 just got characters in because FF4DS came out a month ago.
There's a small chance Zack could bomb in epic fashion and Cecil makes
it through, but the other two are screwed. --- Gilgamesh didn't make the bracket this year. Shame on you. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/27/2008 9:27:29 PM | message detail |
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That's like using the logic that Tales characters are going to be
strong because their fanbase somehow got 5/6 of them into the contest. --- Demyx is better than Axel. Just like Explicit Content is better than me for winning the Guru contest. |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/27/2008 9:29:53 PM | message detail |
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Random thing I noticed: There were exactly 15 characters from the Final Fantasy series in the contest this year, meaning that last year's assumed series cap of 15 is still in play. Lame. Explains what happens to Yuna and Rikku, though. Poor Seifer. First he gets considered a "friendly rival" in the Villains Contest, and then he gets stuck behind this stupid series cap two years in a row. Might have been a company cap in the Villains Contest as well. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:32:17 PM | message detail |
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There were exactly 15 characters from the Final Fantasy series Cecil Kain Rydia Kefka Cloud Zack Sephiroth Tifa Vincent Squall Zidane Vivi Tidus Auron Balthier Ramza 16 characters. --- Gilgamesh didn't make the bracket this year. Shame on you. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/27/2008 9:33:19 PM | message detail |
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16 characters. FFT is probably considered a separate series. It was in the Games Contest. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:34:34 PM | message detail |
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If that's the case, it's pretty silly. Would have rather traded Ramza for Seifer or Gilgamesh or someone who doesn't suck. --- Gilgamesh didn't make the bracket this year. Shame on you. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| smitelf | Posted 8/27/2008 9:34:48 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth/Tifa/Kratos thing yet, but my first instinct is Kratos. Tifa
is on a higher tier than Kratos, easily, but with Sephiroth in the mix
she's going to be crippled. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/27/2008 9:36:28 PM | message detail |
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let's say he's vincent level... ...No? --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/27/2008 9:37:22 PM | message detail |
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whoops --- Gilgamesh didn't make the bracket this year. Shame on you. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/12rw-gilgamesh-a.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 9:43:05 PM | message detail |
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sounds like we have a doubter --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 10:12:46 PM | message detail |
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So is this poll an underperformance/overperformance for the MM series? Do we have a trendline upon which to gauge it? I dunno, 25% of the site not playing any MM game jumps out to me at first glance. I don't even see how that's possible in terms of sheer oversaturation! --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Tohoya | Posted 8/27/2008 10:14:58 PM | message detail |
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Tales fanbase and FFIV fanbase are completely different, IMO. Tales
keeps getting in because they have a big enough core audience to get
nominated, but no one outside that cares at all about them. FFIV is
normal, and moreover, the fact that their nominations have boosted so
precipitously over previous years augurs well for a boost. Kinda tempted to go Wario > Cecil, now... --- "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." --Ezekiel 23:20 |
| ZFS | Posted 8/27/2008 10:21:06 PM | message detail |
| FFIV characters are just riding the FFIVDS being
so close to the nominations. It speaks nothing of the strength they'll
have. Look at what else got into this; it's not exactly the toughest
field. There's a couple of reasons to pick Cecil - not very good ones,
if you ask me - but getting two extra characters in isn't one of them. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| transience | Posted 8/27/2008 10:21:32 PM | message detail |
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25% will turn into 30% once the MM early vote is over. that's not all that surprising, though. MM's last traditional game with doors is what? --- xyzzy |
