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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 558

__hiei__ | Posted 8/26/2008 9:41:56 PM | message detail
we need a

"have you played Chrono Trigger?" poll
Ngamer64 | Posted 8/26/2008 9:46:41 PM | message detail
Well, we at least had a "Have you owned CT?" poll back in '05.

Do you own a copy of Chrono Trigger?
Yes, the original SNES cartridge 15.65% 10768
Yes, the PlayStation remake 16.51% 11356
Yes, both versions 9.19% 6320
No, but I've played it before 27.01% 18585
No, and I've never even played it 31.64% 21767
TOTAL VOTES 68796

Oh cool it included a played option! So as of 2005, 68.36% of the site had played CT.

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He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly.
smitelf | Posted 8/26/2008 10:21:33 PM | message detail
Wow has this topic ever sucked today.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/26/2008 10:28:27 PM | message detail
zack over mario how about this

already had that match imo

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=996
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2008 10:42:36 PM | message detail
Mario doesn't have Planet Gamecube to back him. Zack wins with ease.

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Lopen | Posted 8/27/2008 1:30:06 AM | message detail
Here I thought I missed a lot of discussion, turns out it was all a Zack track. Good to know...!
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Seginustemple | Posted 8/27/2008 3:02:09 AM | message detail
I just switched Falco for GlaDOS as an upset pick after seeing the name in Rock Band.

And the casuals will reckonize...
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transience | Posted 8/27/2008 3:07:42 AM | message detail
what's this about Rock Band?
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/27/2008 3:24:47 AM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTXeB-YcqvM

At a guess, I'd say that.
transience | Posted 8/27/2008 3:31:44 AM | message detail
ha. best boost ever.

that looked really easy for an expert song. I guess Still Alive isn't exactly the most complex thing though.
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/27/2008 3:33:25 AM | message detail
If Still Alive is missing one thing, it's a ROCK OUT GUITAR SOLO~!
Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/27/2008 4:30:02 AM | message detail
One less bracket to worry about.

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voltch | Posted 8/27/2008 6:32:28 AM | message detail
top half of the bracket has too much lff/sff going to pick a favourite to join link in the final,vincent,X,mario and even crono could end up there.

oh and based on Halo3's goty performance what do we make of MC?
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ChronicYouth | Posted 8/27/2008 6:40:15 AM | message detail
Zack > MC
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H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2008 6:44:33 AM | message detail
GameZACKs
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Tohoya | Posted 8/27/2008 7:45:54 AM | message detail
That pun only makes sense if you're a dirty heathen who pronounces it "GameFACKS" instead of "Game Eff Ay Cues!"
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/27/2008 8:02:10 AM | message detail
Game Zed Ay See Kays
Tohoya | Posted 8/27/2008 8:13:47 AM | message detail
That only works if you're a dirty heathen who pronounces it "Zed" instead of "Zee"!
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/27/2008 8:18:09 AM | message detail
Bah, damned Americans. Okay, Game Zee Ay See Kays!
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 8:19:08 AM | message detail
...well at a glance today's poll seems to be the most useless thing ever. Should've done it this way first !!

(or made a Crisis Core poll WHO'S WITH ME)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 8:28:38 AM | message detail
Do you know who Zack Fair?
Yes
No
No but if he's related to FF7 I'm voting for him regardless

What % would each option get?

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ChronicYouth | Posted 8/27/2008 8:35:24 AM | message detail
2%
0%
98%

respectively

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H__RR____H | Posted 8/27/2008 9:37:01 AM | message detail
I'm a dirty heathen then.


You know what, **** it, we're doing this. Rank these FF characters:

Reno
Yuffie
Cait Sith
Tidus
Kefka
Zidane
Cecil
Zack Fair

I know one or two stand out, by the way.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 9:40:34 AM | message detail
Zack UNFair





Tidus
Yuffie
(Zack Fair)
Zidane
Reno
Kefka
Cait Sith
Cecil
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 9:41:03 AM | message detail
Yuffie
Tidus
Reno
Kefka
Zidane
Zack Fair
Cecil
Cait Sith

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Billy Blaze | Posted 8/27/2008 9:54:30 AM | message detail
Kefka v Zidane would be an interesting match...

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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 9:55:24 AM | message detail
In this format I think Kefka has enough rabid fans to get him over Zidane, but in 1 on 1 it would be a tossup.

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KingBartz | Posted 8/27/2008 10:08:50 AM | message detail
ugh, some of these foursomes are stacked.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/27/2008 10:10:01 AM | message detail
man this zack stuff is hilarious and i've just been lurking this topic.

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Lopen | Posted 8/27/2008 10:27:01 AM | message detail
Dammit tranny I've been talking about the GlaDOS Rock Band factor (hell it's enough to make me vote her in that four pack, not having played Portal yet) since the bracket came out! Pay attention!

Yuffie
Reno
Tidus
Kefka
Cecil (FF4DS Boost...!!)
Cait Sith
Zidane
ZackFAQs
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/27/2008 10:48:32 AM | message detail
Yuffie
Tidus
Zack
Reno
Zidane
Kefka
Cecil
Cait Sith

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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 10:57:46 AM | message detail
How did Ngamer do the stats for 2007, anyway?

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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/27/2008 11:34:06 AM | message detail
Actually Haste put them together, so he could explain in detail.

But basically for the Raw stats, your value is based on your final match, with the base value coming from the winner of that match. So say Link and someone knocked out Samus and Ryu, and Sam got 21% and Ryu 15%. Link was at 59.90%, so just plug that into the 4-way x-stats calculator and it will tell you how much Samus and Ryu were worth.

The adjusted stats are the same kind of idea, except Haste was careful to always select the match he felt was the most true representation of a character's strength. So for instance he used an earlier round for Auron, rather than sticking with the value from when Cloud crushed him.

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He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly.
KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 11:45:23 AM | message detail
I see.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 8/27/2008 12:03:05 PM | message detail
Oh goodie, I just found the Excel sheet Haste sent over. Let's look at a live example. Remember how the first Samus match ended like this?

Axel 18.55%
Frog 18.64%
Samus Aran 51.75%
Sarah Kerrigan 11.06%

Well, creative came up with a formula that lets you just plug in results, and it will spit back out the x-stat values for that match. And those values are

Axel 24.46%
Frog 24.56%
Samus Aran 50.00%
Sarah Kerrigan 15.51%

So now you just set Samus equal to whatever value against BL you want, adjust the other numbers accordingly, and you have the "pure" Raw values for the two characters eliminated, Axel and Kerrigan. Frog of course would not be affected by the result, since he moved on and would have his Raw value set in his R2 defeat.

Adjusted is BASICALLY the same idea, except Haste did his best to not judge anyone in their LFFed form, or base any numbers off someone who was LFFed themselves. Which of course isn't always possible, but he made a good effort.

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He isn't a killer. He just wins - thoroughly.
Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/27/2008 12:09:35 PM | message detail
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/27/2008 12:10:46 PM | message detail
Why is Tifa < Kratos considered as a lock.

1: Sephy has never been able to SFF anyone. You can't say that Vincent got SFF'D since he was up against 3 of the four strongest characters in the contest, of course he would't get many votes.

2: Tifa has always been dominating in polls. Why would she stop. After all she almost won over Zero Suit Samus, despite having TJF against her.

Then there's Kratos, who haven't done anything impressive at all. Winning over SFF'D SSB characters is nothing to brag about.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 12:14:23 PM | message detail
Yeah, 43% on Ryu pre-GoW2 is terrible (and with the casuals eating out of the palm of his hand to boot).

Put it this way - I'd consider Kratos > Tifa as a feasible upset 1v1 this year (albeit a longshot). Sephiroth can at least lay the smackdown on FF7's most awful character enough to make it a lock.

ugh why am I even discussing this okay new topic what happens in Link/Mario/Vincent/Zack
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 12:15:33 PM | message detail
yeah Mario will be there for some reason instead of Samus if only to make things interesting
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/27/2008 12:16:21 PM | message detail
Zack > Link of course.


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Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me
KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 12:18:07 PM | message detail
Pretty sure if Sephiroth can SFF the everloving hell out of Vincent then Tifa will get it even worse. Vincent has his own fans; Tifa has Vlado.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/27/2008 12:20:05 PM | message detail
I thought that Vincent did great.

When you are up against Link, Mario and Seph, getting 10& is really good.

And there's no reason to not believe that Tifa is a powerhouse in this contest.
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transience | Posted 8/27/2008 12:21:38 PM | message detail
well then
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 12:22:46 PM | message detail
It's really not, especially when you look at how well Mario held up.

And Tifa isn't going to be a powerhouse in this format because no one actually cares about her. The only reason she and Aeris do well in 1 on 1 is because they're from FF7. Remember how badly Aeris did last year? Some of that was Squall, the rest was that when faced with three other options few people care enough about Aeris to pick her.

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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/27/2008 12:23:05 PM | message detail
"And there's no reason to not believe that Tifa is a powerhouse in this contest."

<_< Historical precedent?
Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/27/2008 12:23:59 PM | message detail
But enough about this, lets continue to talk about the FFVII character that really matters.

Masterchief
L-Block
Yoshi "Stupid censor bypass"
Zack Fair

Gimme Zack > MC.
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Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. EC > Me
Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/27/2008 12:25:17 PM | message detail
More like Zack goes through by himself due to everyone else tying with exactly 0%.
KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2008 12:27:11 PM | message detail
You did not just derail an actual debate with Zack

There's a difference between derailing a Zack debate with Zack or a lull with Zack and interrupting the first non-Zack debate in a while with ZACK

Stats topic, call be back when ZACK is confirmed to be a HACK

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voltch | Posted 8/27/2008 12:30:31 PM | message detail
you got it all wrong Tifa is clearly golng to SFF sephiroth.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2008 12:32:44 PM | message detail
This is why I wish this contest was 1v1 though. Characters like Kratos are just raring to stretch their legs against proven competition mano-a-mano, and then you have characters from Sonic Team who seem to be hurt by the format. For all we know Brawl could have given Sonic a Snake-level boost, but the format diluted or masked the entire thing. And then of course there's L-Block, whose intrinsic strength would be much harder to peg than anything happening this contest (I'm of the opinion that if it makes it past round 2 we'll have an easy repeat of last year).
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