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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 558

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/26/2008 5:12:57 AM | message detail
Actually, KOS-MOS seems to have been the Guru consensus. And people were saying that it would take Blizzard SFF for her to squeak by, which she did.
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 5:33:43 AM | message detail
DIVISION 1

Cecil Harvey
Jade Curtiss
Wario
Zack Fair

Welcome to the Super Smash Bros. Brawl Contest! Wario is the first of nearly every character from the game (except for Peach, who no one likes! Haha!) to appear in the contest. And chances are good that he advances! That’s the one certainty in this match, other than Jade getting less than 10% because he (I still think Jade is a “she,” but people keep telling me otherwise!) couldn’t do it in a crappier fourpack last year. Zack is perhaps the biggest question mark of the contest. He’s Final Fantasy VII, but he’s a minor character, though now he stars in Crisis Core, which is a PSP game. How strong will he really be? Probably strong enough to get by Cecil, since I’d never see Zack getting tripled by Kirby. Yeah, I know FFIV has gotten a million remakes since 2005, but still. The question is whether or not LFF will keep Zack from getting first. I say no.

Leonhart’s Pick: Zack > Wario


Link
Luke fon Fabre
Shadow the Hedgehog
Zidane Tribal

Two matches, two cruddy Tales characters who probably won’t get 10% in the match. Well, Link absolutely wrecks this fourpack, but he ain’t gettin’ 70% this time. I know a lot of people don’t think highly of Shadow and are talking about him losing to Zidane here, but I just can’t see it. I don’t think he would’ve had a problem WINNING the fourpack last year with Liquid/Alucard/Ness if he were in Zidane’s place. At the very least, he wouldn’t have come in far last place like Zidane did. I’d love to see the FFIX hero advance and I’ll be voting for him, but I just don’t see it happening.

Leonhart’s Pick: Link >>>> Shadow the Hedgehog


Duke Nukem
Kefka
Marth
Niko Bellic

This fourpack gives me headaches like no other. Any of these four characters could realistically advance. Duke Nukem was able to win that fourpack last year over Gordon and Ike, which was a decent showing. Kefka was as unimpressive as ever, though he did get to the second round. I never know what to think of him. Our only impression of Marth is an LFF match with DK last year, where he did decently. He should do better with no Nintendo in this fourpack. Niko is a real wild card, but I think he can at least be on Vercetti’s original level, which SHOULD be enough to advance here. We’ll see.

Leonhart’s Pick: Niko > Marth


Altair
Guybrush Threepwood
Isaac
Lucario

Lucario seems like an easy first place, and Guybrush seems like an easy last place. That much is obvious. I’m guessing that Altair is the favorite for second, though I haven’t seen what the board has said about that. I could see Isaac sneaking through here if Altair completely bombs, which is possible. However, Altair is the safe pick for second, so I’ll go with that.

Leonhart’s Pick: Lucario > Altair
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2008 5:46:22 AM | message detail
Am I the only one who has Duke > Kefka?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 5:48:31 AM | message detail
Duke > Kefka was actually my first instinct, but I didn't take it.

Also, we NEED to have Duke Milkem vs. Lettuce Kefka.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 5:55:17 AM | message detail
DIVISION 2

Liquid Snake
Luigi
Roxas
Sho Miniamimoto

SO ZETTA SLOW!
Sho Overcoming Here
Can’t Always Happen
Two Others Advance

Leonhart’s Pick: Luigi > Liquid Snake (Watch out for Roxas though!)


Bowser
Deckard Cain
Geno
Phoenix Wright

Bowser was a big disappointment, but he shouldn’t have any problem destroying this fourpack. Diablo is a decent midcarder in these contests, but I’d expect Deckard to be more on the level of Kerrigan here. Geno at least has a CHANCE of doing something here. I think he might have a good match with Phoenix one-on-one, but in this format, Nick advances. This is also my first contest as a Phoenix Wright fan, so go Wrighto!

Leonhart’s Pick: Bowser > Phoenix Wright


Fei Fong Wong
Knuckles the Echidna
Mario
Princess Zelda

Hey, a Xenogears character! Too bad he’s stuck against a Noble Niner and two good midcarders. Mario is the big winner here, but the question is whether he LFFs Zelda enough for Knuckles to get by. Rad Red was a big disappointment last year, so I think people are a little hesitant. I personally think Zelda will be susceptible to SFF, and I don’t think this format will do her any favors either. This is probably partially a bias pick, but…

Leonhart’s Pick: Mario > Knuckles the Echidna


Lloyd Irving
Mudkip
Tom Nook
Mega Man X

Here’s another one of the big wild cards of this contest. How strong will X be? Will he basically be another Mega Man, or will he just be a strong midcarder? This fourpack ought to be a decent test to see how badly he wrecks it. There’s no way X can lose this. At first I took Lloyd for second place, but that’s because I confused Mudkip with Bidoof for some reason. Once I realized which Pokemon it actually was, I took Mudkip. Tom Nook beat Zelos this year, but he’ll probably get last this time.

Leonhart’s Pick: Mega Man X > Mudkip
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 6:07:17 AM | message detail
DIVISION 3

Crash Bandicoot
Nightmare
Raz
Samus Aran

How in the world did a Psychonauts character get in here? Regardless, Raz is going to do BAD. Rad from Final Fantasy Tactics would probably do better. Samus will wreck this fourpack, and Nightmare will probably get second. However, Crash Bandicoot doing very well (for finishing in last place) last year has me a little nervous about this one. Well, Soul Calibur IV should be enough to give Nightmare second place.

Leonhart’s Pick: Samus Aran >> Nightmare


Frog
Ganondorf
KOS-MOS
Neku Sakuraba

Unfortunately, Ganondorf is the easy winner of this fourpack. That’s all I will say about him. Frog and KOS-MOS will make an interesting race for second place, but if it’s going to be close, you need to choose Frog. He will find some way to win, by hook or by crook. He might not need it though. It’s good to see Neku in the contest, but he’s out of his league here. Hope he does well though.

Leonhart’s Pick: Ganondorf > Frog


Falco Lombardi
GlaDOS
Vincent Valentine
Wander

Watching Vincent destroy this fourpack in Noble Nine fashion will be a sight to see. This is a weak fourpack. Falco should easily get second, unless GlaDOS finds some way to get through, which I guess I shouldn’t leave out of the question. Wander will probably get last again. Not really much to say about this one.

Leonhart’s Pick: Vincent Valentine > Falco Lombardi


Balthier Bunansa
Big Daddy
Gordon Freeman
Scorpion

This match makes me sad because of the potential outcome. Forget Big Daddy; he’s not doing anything here. Scorpion SHOULD win this one, but at the very least, he advances. I have no doubt about that. Gordon Freeman COULD take first, but I doubt it. Still, the possibility is out there. However, the fact that he will probably beat Balthier makes me sad. I just have to hope that Gordon refers to his old GFNW ways here, but if Balthier can’t beat Ada Wong (or even come close), I doubt he can beat Freeman.

Leonhart’s Pick: Scorpion > Gordon Freeman
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 6:27:05 AM | message detail
DIVISION 4

Amaterasu
Crono
Frank West
Kaim Argonar

Crono may be on the bottom of the Noble Nine these days, but he should absolutely obliterate this fourpack. Ammy should get to the second round yet again, especially now that more Okami games are out. We need—you guessed it—Frank Stallone, not Frank West here. I had to look up who Kaim Argonar was, and that’s usually not a good thing.

Leonhart’s Pick: Crono > Amaterasu


L-Block
Meta Knight
Ryu
The Dog

Well, if this isn’t an interesting fourpack. The returning champ will be put to the test right away. Will we see round 1 L-Block or championship L-Block? That’s the biggest question of the contest because the block’s path may determine the contest winner. Last year’s “Bonus Match” already showed us that the Block is not impervious to Joke LFF, though that’s a dubious example at best. This may be the first time I ever root for The Dog, hoping he can siphon enough of L-Block’s votes to let Meta Knight through. Ryu advances one way or the other, that’s the only certainty. I’m going for the Meta Knight upset here. Well, I nearly won a prize last year even though I didn’t have L-Block advancing past the first round, so I should be okay…right?

Leonhart’s Pick: Ryu > Meta Knight


Alucard
Captain Falcon
Diddy Kong
Kratos Aurion

Alucard shouldn’t have any problem winning this one, especially with Falcon and Diddy splitting Brawl votes. There are two questions about this match: Who will be more favored between Falcon and Diddy? And will they LFF each other enough for Kratos to advance? The first question seems easy enough to me. Diddy has other games outside of Brawl to glean strength from, and he’s not the worst fighter in the game (and most people would say Falcon is). The second question isn’t so easy. Kratos is probably the strongest Tales character out there, and he should be a very low midcarder. He might be able to beat Falcon one-on-one, honestly. I might change my mind later, but for now…

Leonhart’s Pick: Alucard > Diddy Kong


Arthas Menethil
Ike
Pikachu
Spy

This is a curious fourpack. Ike did a good job last year just being announced in Brawl, but now that he’s one of the most used Brawl characters (just play an online FFA and see how many people use Ike), he should be a decent midcarder, especially now that he’s been in multiple Fire Emblem games. Pikachu was one of the most unexpected success stories (next to L-Block, of course), but that was mostly because he was able to take advantage of LFF to advance. This time, he’ll be the victim of LFF. I think Ike should be able to beat him, though I doubt it’ll be enough for Arthas to advance (but it’d be great if it was!). Who’s Spy?

Leonhart’s Pick: Ike > Pikachu
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 6:39:47 AM | message detail
DIVISION 5

Donkey Kong
Miles “Tails” Prower
Tidus
Weighted Companion Cube

This is a weird fourpack, full of characters who frequently disappoint and a wildcard in the Cube. I’m not taking the Cube to advance because he didn’t do anything for me in that Bonus Match. I know it was just a joke match, but the reason the Block was so successful is due to its recognizability. The Cube won’t have that. Tails couldn’t beat The Boss last year, so I doubt he advances. I’m going with Tidus to win here almost entirely out of bias, despite how many times he’s burned me in the past. Still, when in doubt, never pick Donkey Kong to take first place.

Leonhart’s Pick: Tidus > Donkey Kong


Banjo
Captain Olimar
Mega Man
Nero

It’s like Noble Niners basically get a free pass to the second round. Mega Man will destroy everyone here. The big question is what Brawl has done for Olimar. Nero is the star of DMC4, but will he basically be the new Raiden? Even so, it might be enough to beat Olimar. I had the good captain at first, but now I’ve switched to Nero. I figure he should at least be able to beat out Vergil on the popularity chain, though maybe not. Oh, and Banjo's not doing anything.

Leonhart’s Pick: Mega Man > Nero


King DeDeDe
Pit
Ryu Hayabusa
Zero

Well, we’ve got an SC2K5 rematch and two Brawlers here. This is one of the most obvious matches of the contest. Zero is the easy winner of this match, and I doubt DeDeDe or Pit could beat Hayabusa even if there wasn’t Brawl LFF involved. Plus, Hayabusa seemed to do really well with this format last year. The only question is who takes third, and I’ll take the King of Dream Land.

Leonhart’s Pick: Zero > Ryu Hayabusa


Albert Wesker
Sackboy
Solid Snake
Vivi Orunitia

Remember what I said about the last match being one of the most obvious in the contest? This may be THE most obvious. Solid Snake obliterates everything. Vivi takes second. Wesker takes third. Sackboy is a distant last place. There are really no questions about this match because each character is on a completely different tier.

Leonhart’s Pick: Solid Snake > Vivi Orunitia
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 6:53:20 AM | message detail
DIVISION 6

Chris Redfield
Fox McCloud
Sora
Tim

Wow, three very obvious matches in a row! Sora wins easily, and Fox takes second place easily. Chris Redfield couldn’t even beat Pyramid Head last year, and I’ll laugh if he loses to Tim here. This may be one of the best looks we’ll ever get at Fox’s strength, so pay attention!

Leonhart’s Pick: Sora > Fox McCloud


CATS
Nathan Drake
Squall Leonhart
Yoshi

Do you want me to be honest with you? Yoshi scares me here. Maybe he shouldn’t, but he does. He’s a strong character, and this format benefits him (He’s the winner of both Favorite Mario Character polls, you’ll recall). I think how easily he beat Knux both times last year bothers me. He didn’t do that badly on Mega Man either. Still, Squall did much better on Sonic, who is stronger, though maybe Yoshi got LFF’d. Seems unlikely though, since he and Knux stayed in approximately the same proportion both rounds. CATS fans will be glad to see that he takes third place over Nathan Drake. CATS finally beats SOMEONE!

Leonhart’s Pick: Squall Leonhart > Yoshi


Axel Steel
Cloud Strife
Midna
Miles Edgeworth

I guess Bacon’s giving Cloud a shot at the biggest blowout of the first round this year. He’s going to embarrass everyone. And despite how Midna embarrassed herself last year, she’ll still get to the second round again. I’d love to see Edgey somehow upset her, but if Kratos couldn’t do it, I doubt he can. Hopefully, he can beat Axel Steel though.

Leonhart’s Pick: Cloud Strife > Midna


Mewtwo
Ness
Pac-Man
Travis Touchdown

I guess Bacon is making up for Mewtwo getting the shaft this year by giving him a good shot at making the quarterfinals of the contest. He should be the easy winner of this match, and Travis Touchdown should be the easy last place finisher. Ness and Pac-Man could be interesting though. The only way Ness fails to advance is if Mewtwo LFFs him, which is very possible, as he has been susceptible to SFF in the past. Still, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt over Pac-Man here.

Leonhart’s Pick: Mewtwo > Ness
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 7:04:34 AM | message detail
DIVISION 7

Big Boss
Jinjo
Kirby
Lucas

I certainly did not expect Jinjo in this contest. The voters won’t either, so he’ll probably be in last place. You know Brawl is big when Lucas gets in, who only has that game to his name in America. Unfortunately, he’s paired against Kirby, who will pound him into the ground with SFF. Big Boss should take second place easily unless he gets a Naked Snake picture, in which case all bets are off.


Kain Highwind
Master Chief
Professor Layton
Raiden

This fourpack is proof that Bacon is a Lopen fan. Master Chief was an absolute beast last year, and this will be easier than any fourpack he had in the previous contest. I’ll be interested to see what he can do here. Raiden shouldn’t have any trouble taking second place here, especially now that MGS4 is out. If Cecil is fodder, Kain can’t be any better, and Professor Layton is bottom feeding fodder.

Leonhart’s Pick: Master Chief > Raiden


Captain MacMillan
Leon Kennedy
Riku
Siegfried Schtauffen

What, Nightmare again? Or his alter-ego. Or whatever. I don’t really keep up with Soul Calibur enough to know what the deal is here. Regardless, he won’t be joining Nightmare in the second round. Leon Kennedy and Riku are out of his league. Those two should finish in that order, and MacMillan will probably finish last.

Leonhart’s Pick: Leon Kennedy > Riku


Dante
Hogger
Laharl
Ramza Beoulve

What in the world is something like Hogger doing here? Well, it will be interesting to see how badly he does. This is like the Midgar Zolom, only from World of Warcraft (…I think). Dante gets another easy first round fourpack, made even easier after DMC4. Ramza Beoulve will actually advance to the second round. Seeing him in this contest was one of the most pleasant surprises in this bracket. Laharl gets another third place finish.

Leonhart’s Pick: Dante > Ramza Beoulve
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 7:14:07 AM | message detail
DIVISION 8

Commander Shepard
Magus
Sandbag
Sonic the Hedgehog

This is one of those matches that makes you scratch your head. I guess Sandbag is the character who compensates for Peach’s absence. He’s a big wildcard. Bacon practically implied that he thinks Sandbag could be the next L-Block in its profile. Sonic will win this fourpack easily due to Brawl, but Magus is the question mark. He looked flat out bad last year. This will complete the fall from grace if he somehow loses to Sandbag. I won’t take that pick though.

Leonhart’s Pick: Sonic the Hedgehog > Magus


Auron
Marcus Fenix
Rydia
Sub-Zero

A THIRD Final Fantasy IV character? And we still don’t have a second Final Fantasy VIII character and we only have one Street Fighter? Bleh. Rydia will be the weakest of the three, too. She will be dead last here. Marcus Fenix had a good run last year, but he’s not strong enough to beat Sub-Zero. For some reason, Auron gets paired with Subby again, and he should rip this fourpack to shreds. This format is perfect for him. I just wish his potential wasn’t so wasted…AGAIN.

Leonhart’s Pick: Auron > Sub-Zero


Nana
Ratchet
Sephiroth
Tifa Lockheart

Seriously, tell me who thought this match was a good idea. I guess it does make for interesting debate to see if Sephiroth will SFF Tifa hard enough for Nana or Ratchet to advance. I personally think he won’t because they’re just too weak. Still, this would’ve been so much better if it were Aeris instead of Tifa, for obvious reasons.

Leonhart’s Pick: Sephiroth > Tifa Lockheart


Heavy
Jill Valentine
Kratos
Revolver Ocelot

We end the first round with an easy match. I don’t think as much of Kratos’s strength as some do, but he’s still a step above this fourpack. I’m not sure why Bacon thought an Ocelot/Jill rematch was a good idea. It wasn’t that close last year, and now Ocelot has MGS4. Heavy will come in last, in case you were wondering.

Leonhart’s Pick: Kratos > Revolver Ocelot
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2008 7:19:03 AM | message detail
I think Ocelot/Jill will be alot closer and might flip the script without Cloud in the poll.

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Tohoya | Posted 8/26/2008 7:20:17 AM | message detail
Hypothetical: If Amaterasu replaced Shadow the Hedgehod in that Link fourpack in the first division, how far do you take her? I think, with her static fanbase and Link leeching a lot of vote from people, she'd have a good chance of making the final 16.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/26/2008 7:23:57 AM | message detail
I would probably take Ammy to go to the Quarterfinals.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/26/2008 7:31:14 AM | message detail
You know looking over the bracket with the exception of DeDeDe and Pit you could make a case of every playable super smash character making it to the second round.

I guess you can have one of them beating Hayabusa though that'll be a big stretch. Picking both Diddy Kong and Captain Falcon over Alucard is a stretch too though it could happen if Brawl Phear is here.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/26/2008 7:51:02 AM | message detail
i dont find the WCC a rational choice at all. yeah portal isnt obsecure but it isnt a joke everybody's certainly going to get. i find it a biased pick if anything. the only reason l-block advanced was because at least 97% of the site played a tetris version.

we're talking about a joke on a PC game here...

as for Ocelot/Jill, i think the sole reason i went with Ocelot was because of the format. i could see Cloud taking more jill fans than ocelot fans.
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/26/2008 7:53:34 AM | message detail
Out of curiosity (and I may be way behind the times here since this is the first stats topic I've properly read), who are people expecting to win this year? Link? L-Block? Cloud due to SFF? Zack? Guybrush?
red sox 777 | Posted 8/26/2008 7:56:26 AM | message detail
Link appears to be the clear favorite, as he has been the past 3 years.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2008 7:58:42 AM | message detail
Link > Cloud > Snake > Mega Man X is my Final.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 8:00:15 AM | message detail
With the examples we've seen of FF/MGS "SFF," I don't know why people think Jill was affected more than Ocelot. As a matter of fact, I don't see any basis for believing this other than the fact that nearly everyone expected Jill to win and they can't explain why she didn't.
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CBVII Nominations: Squall, Tidus, Seifer, Diddy, Akuma, Roxas, Ocelot, Big Boss, Phoenix Wright, Gray Fox, Neku, Laguna, Protoman, Ken Masters, von Karma
Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2008 8:11:08 AM | message detail
Watch Jill beat Ocelot this year and make everyone go crazy.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/26/2008 8:11:33 AM | message detail
good point.

i dunno. i just felt ocelot fans were more hardcore. *shrugs*
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/26/2008 8:12:19 AM | message detail
Oh well, it's just two points! What would really make people go crazy is if Sandbag beat Magus!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2008 8:15:03 AM | message detail
I have Sandbag over Magus so I hope so!

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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/26/2008 8:15:08 AM | message detail
I'm actually considering taking Sandbag over Magus. I sincerely hope it doesn't happen, but if I'm wrong those two points won't mean much - whereas if Sandbag gets through he'll probably get quite far, and those two points could make or break a bracket! Worth the risk...maybe...I don't know. I wish I sucked less at this.
HaRRicH | Posted 8/26/2008 9:01:16 AM | message detail
Sandbag > Magus would be the greatest result since Master Hand > Kuja.

Too bad I don't have the courage to take this one.....
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_Hogger_ | Posted 8/26/2008 9:03:30 AM | message detail
i love how people here are so biased to think that a joke character that appeals to even less people then hogger will beat magus
Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 8/26/2008 9:06:29 AM | message detail
Hogger only appeals to WoW players, who have shown in the past not to care that much about this contest; Sandbag appeals to Brawl players, and in case you hadn't noticed from the number of the ******** in the bracket, they're pretty much the main demographic of the contest. When you look at how the GOD DAMN HAND did against Kuja, Sandbag has a sadly legitimate chance to do something here, particularly in a fourway format. I'm not saying Hogger won't get through, just that Sandbag is clearly more likely to do so.
_Hogger_ | Posted 8/26/2008 9:09:14 AM | message detail
Sandbag has no chance. He's facing Magus, while not a top tier character, is a solid mid carder who is alot stronger then Ramza. He won't let some joke character beat him.
Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/26/2008 10:04:25 AM | message detail
Sonic, Auron, Sephiroth, Kratos = headaches!
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H__RR____H | Posted 8/26/2008 10:06:38 AM | message detail
Screw it, I'm asking:

Sandbag VS Master Hand...who you got?
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_Hogger_ | Posted 8/26/2008 10:07:20 AM | message detail
master hand

He actually has a point in the game
Yesmar | Posted 8/26/2008 10:10:32 AM | message detail
Virtually everyone I knew - myself included - had Jill over Ocelot easily because there didn't seem to be any way in hell Peach could lose to Pac-Man

Pac-Man's not that bad. If anyone thought that, it was their own fault.


And yeah, Jill/Ocelot seemed to go against everything we knew about both character. I still have no idea what happened there other than 2006 making all the women look much stronger than they actually are.


As I said earlier, Ocelot/Jill should not have been that much of a shocker, but speaking of 2006, I've begun to suspect that Peach overperformed slightly on Tifa due to Tifa getting such a crappy sprite in the sprite round.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/26/2008 10:11:39 AM | message detail
either hogger's a troll or he isnt using his critical thinking cap.
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consolefreak | Posted 8/26/2008 10:33:33 AM | message detail
I'd take Master Hand to beat Sandbag, and although Magus has been falling, there's no way Kuja has a chance against him.
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2008 10:40:01 AM | message detail
Pac-Man's not that bad. If anyone thought that, it was their own fault.

I *still* don't think there's anyway Peach loses to Pac-Man though...

damnnation why am I placing so much faith in jokefodder
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voltch | Posted 8/26/2008 10:40:09 AM | message detail
alright let's sort this out,Crono>Vincent or Vincent>Crono,i had an easy Vincent>Crono up till now but some people are stating Link SFFd Crono through SNES last year,what the hell happens with samus and ryu(l-block) in the poll?
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H__RR____H | Posted 8/26/2008 10:54:18 AM | message detail
Samus and Ryu were well-known SNES-icons too. They're not as much of an iconic pair as Link/Zero, but if Link/Zero caused Crono problems then Crono's still not easily off the hook in that regard. Throw in CC:FF7 potentially bringing in more FF7 fans and probably predicting Vincent > Crono one-on-one, and I'll stick with (Samus >) Vincent > Crono.

If L-Block's there instead of Ryu though, oh hell. Crono/Vincent aside, I'll just be mad for the rest of the contest at that point.
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voltch | Posted 8/26/2008 11:10:56 AM | message detail
the thing that worries me is Samus is crap when it comes down to SFF,but Link can SFF anything,sword SFF,blond hair SFF,mute SFF etc,he sucks his opponents dry and as a result i wonder how much he and zero took from crono.

Ryu's votes appear to be coming more from the fighting game fans and i don't think he and samus>Link/zero when it comes down to SFF.
people here have been gunning for Sephiroth and Cloud,claiming that they are weakening,yet now people are making cases for vincent to be stronger.
the difference last year was by about 1%,by the time the match starts there might be small hype for CTDS,just that small hype might be able to push ahead by a little bit.
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red sox 777 | Posted 8/26/2008 11:15:29 AM | message detail
Samus/Ryu is better for Crono than Link/Zero, but still not favorable. However, Crono only has to make up about around 1700 votes, and Link is a much more similar character to Crono than Samus is (silent protagonist, time travels, wields a sword, uses magic). Link and Crono both have huge games on the SNES (the 3rd and 4th strongest games on the site), and Link's strongest game, OOT, while on the N64, deals with time travel like Chrono Trigger. I would hazard a guess that while Super Metroid is probably the strongest Metroid game, it does not give Samus nearly as much support as LTTP gives Link- Samus draws a larger portion of her strength from SSB.

One thing I'm actually worried about is the FF7 banner- it should attract FF7 fans to make brackets, and by doing so increase the likelihood they will follow the contest and vote. But since I consider the match relatively even, Crono fanboyism compels me to pick Samus > Crono. And if L-Block reaches that match (I hope not), he's advancing to the finals.
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voltch | Posted 8/26/2008 11:20:07 AM | message detail
Oh ****,last year Mario proved to be somewhat resistant to SFF against link right?
well if he can hold off MMX and Crono advances with samus then we get,

Link/Mario/Crono/Samus,now would anyone here take Link>Crono?I wouldn't but Crono/Mario again is a possible outcome and i wouldn't want to predict that fourpack just yet.
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Lopen | Posted 8/26/2008 11:31:18 AM | message detail
This fourpack is proof that Bacon is a Lopen fan

More like he's running a conspiracy against me by putting Kirby, Dante, Raiden, and MC in the same division. What a jackass.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/26/2008 12:36:47 PM | message detail
the thing that worries me is Samus is crap when it comes down to SFF,but Link can SFF anything,sword SFF,blond hair SFF,mute SFF etc,he sucks his opponents dry and as a result i wonder how much he and zero took from crono.

None. Link can only SFF Nintendo characters. Zero is a non-factor.
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Lopen | Posted 8/26/2008 12:49:20 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1778

'oh'
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/26/2008 1:20:40 PM | message detail
lol exception!
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MnMZero | Posted 8/26/2008 1:57:51 PM | message detail
You know I just now noticed something from last contest... What the hell happened to Mega Man in that matchup with Cloud, Ryu, and Samus?
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trannyscience | Posted 8/26/2008 2:28:17 PM | message detail
I would assume the lack of Yoshi is what happened.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/26/2008 2:29:01 PM | message detail
Capcom SFF?
MnMZero | Posted 8/26/2008 2:33:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm just surprised that Yoshi's votes went that much more to Samus, and seeing how Mega Man being there didn't seem to affect Samus at all. Samus > Mega Man on the "Nintendo" scale? I remember in debates Mega Man being given the edge in a head to head matchup with Samus due to Samus's SFF susceptibility...

Capcom SFF

no
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smitelf | Posted 8/26/2008 3:20:09 PM | message detail
i dont find the WCC a rational choice at all. yeah portal isnt obsecure but it isnt a joke everybody's certainly going to get. i find it a biased pick if anything.

Biased by what exactly? I don't have any personal investment whatsoever in a cube from a game I've never played.
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